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Posted: 2/13/2019 2:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have to pay those US citizens for that land. You cannot use seized money from the DoJ for that purpose. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 4:31:46 PM EDT
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No you don't. Theres already a easement along the border. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/13/2019 5:02:05 PM EDT
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Only a small number of miles in Texas would need to be acquired via eminent domain. There already exists a right-of-way from the pacific ocean to Texas which includes all public land adjoining the Rio Grand river. Excluded from the reservation are lands already legally deeded in 1907 when the proclamation was made. Areas along the Rio Grande in Texas which were privately held prior to 1907, don't already have a wall, and aren't a natural barrier due to terrain are fairly small. Most of that acreage is held in large tracts by huge ranches and trusts. Additionally, the fair market value of that land (which is how eminent domain condemnations are valued) is very low due to the scrubland nature of the property. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Eminent domain. for the public good. we are allowed to build protective devices separating countries right? Areas along the Rio Grande in Texas which were privately held prior to 1907, don't already have a wall, and aren't a natural barrier due to terrain are fairly small. Most of that acreage is held in large tracts by huge ranches and trusts. Additionally, the fair market value of that land (which is how eminent domain condemnations are valued) is very low due to the scrubland nature of the property. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 5:03:50 PM EDT
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You have to pay those US citizens for that land. You cannot use seized money from the DoJ for that purpose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. And no, the AG cannot gift money to another Department, if the activities it funds do not fall within the parameters of the law. It could fund DoJ correctional facilities, but not DHS detention facilities. You cannot use seized money from the DoJ for that purpose. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 5:21:15 PM EDT
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Seems like an overly simplistic proposal, but I wonder what the process actually is for deciding how to spend assets forfeited to the federal government.
And I don't think Nancy Pelosi or Trump gets to just dictate how to spend it. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 5:30:17 PM EDT
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They won't. The argument will be made that these seizures always go to law enforcement programs and they rely on it. So if Trump takes it he will be "stealing from law enforcement" and hampering "efforts against crime" or some bullshit. And my "law enforcement programs" I mean fake programs made up with friends and family put in as managers that draw massive salaries. Border Patrol and ICE do not fall under the DoJ. And no, the AG cannot gift money to another Department, if the activities it funds do not fall within the parameters of the law. It could fund DoJ correctional facilities, but not DHS detention facilities. You cannot use seized money from the DoJ for that purpose. The AG cannot gift the DoJ money to DHS or DoD or the Dept of the Interior to build a wall. That would be against the current law. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 5:30:37 PM EDT
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Mexico is paying for the wall.
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Posted: 2/13/2019 5:49:53 PM EDT
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Seems like an overly simplistic proposal, but I wonder what the process actually is for deciding how to spend assets forfeited to the federal government. And I don't think Nancy Pelosi or Trump gets to just dictate how to spend it. Normally, the Attorney General decides how to spend those funds. When there's a ton of cash, Congress can step in and direct the funds. Trump's DoJ certainly has the authority to spend any seized funds on a border wall. Congress, or a judge, could step in and stop him. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 5:53:29 PM EDT
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Then we are back to the same reality... The AG cannot gift the DoJ money to DHS or DoD or the Dept of the Interior to build a wall. That would be against the current law. |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 6:24:57 PM EDT
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Never mind.
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Posted: 2/13/2019 7:54:49 PM EDT
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Can't they use it to fight against drugs, i.e. build a wall to help with drug traffic flow? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 8:42:33 PM EDT
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This was the first thing I said when he was shown on the national news last night.
Mexico builds the wall.
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Posted: 2/14/2019 12:37:13 AM EDT
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I wonder how long before a few "anonymous" find their way into some bank accounts and then el Chapo mysteriously finds his way out of Prison.
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Posted: 2/14/2019 12:39:23 AM EDT
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Yes, they can. Only Congress or the courts could stop them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can't they use it to fight against drugs, i.e. build a wall to help with drug traffic flow? Wrong department, and a wall is not an activity. Read the Law. Then comment. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 7:30:23 AM EDT
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Can't they use it to fight against drugs, i.e. build a wall to help with drug traffic flow? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then we are back to the same reality... The AG cannot gift the DoJ money to DHS or DoD or the Dept of the Interior to build a wall. That would be against the current law. |
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Posted: 2/14/2019 7:51:13 AM EDT
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I like those ideas. I'd be the greasy fed who would offer chalk freedom in exchange for wall money and agreement to retire.
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