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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:42:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: When a people put their mind to fight for their freedom and survival it is amazing what they can accomplish. Too many bought into the Russian propaganda including the Russians. If someone is willing to throw away freedom for a Russian Tyrant, mark them. Do not trust them. They mock the power of the human spirit. American colonials declared all they had was worth the price of freedom. They took on the greatest power on the planet. With the help of a few allies, they won. It can be done again if they have the courage and a few allies. I agree and I don't want anything I've said to imply that the above isn't true. It is. I just hate to see lives ended and ruined if it's avoidable, I can't think of anything worse than claiming to support freedom and human rights and all the rest and not using the resources we have in that end. I know that's a simplistic and naive take. But I'm darkly cynical most of the time. Sometimes I need to dream. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:44:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chisum: When a people put their mind to fight for their freedom and survival it is amazing what they can accomplish. Too many bought into the Russian propaganda including the Russians. If someone is willing to throw away freedom for a Russian Tyrant, mark them. Do not trust them. They mock the power of the human spirit. American colonials declared all they had was worth the price of freedom. They took on the greatest power on the planet. With the help of a few allies, they won. It can be done again if they have the courage and a few allies. Add in a big ocean and a fairly long trip on a sail driven boat for significant elements of enemy logistics, had we been right next door to England we likely wouldn't exist as a nation. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:48:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowMexican: Accepting aid from the likes of Soros and the WEF is asking Jimmy Savile for help, the price that will have to paid in exchange will NOT be worth it. If the short term alternative is death, a possible future cost is irrelevant. If they lose, they never pay any of that cost anyway. They just die. And every deal is subject to renegotiation later on. But you never cared what happens to them anyway, so it makes sense you would just provide an example of what I posted. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:59:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: We are watching an administration slowly bumble a strategic win win situation for the US, into a loss. It is impressively incompetent. Even for Democrats. Never underestimate the left's ability to do completely idiotic things when it comes to foreign policy. They'll step all over their dicks trying to be risk adverse, while only making things worse than if they had simply manned up. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 12:15:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: Never underestimate the left's ability to do completely idiotic things when it comes to foreign policy. They'll step all over their dicks trying to be risk adverse, while only making things worse than if they had simply manned up. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 12:18:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: Add in a big ocean and a fairly long trip on a sail driven boat for significant elements of enemy logistics, had we been right next door to England we likely wouldn't exist as a nation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By juan223: Originally Posted By Chisum: When a people put their mind to fight for their freedom and survival it is amazing what they can accomplish. Too many bought into the Russian propaganda including the Russians. If someone is willing to throw away freedom for a Russian Tyrant, mark them. Do not trust them. They mock the power of the human spirit. American colonials declared all they had was worth the price of freedom. They took on the greatest power on the planet. With the help of a few allies, they won. It can be done again if they have the courage and a few allies. Add in a big ocean and a fairly long trip on a sail driven boat for significant elements of enemy logistics, had we been right next door to England we likely wouldn't exist as a nation. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 12:32:06 PM EST
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Watched this last night about the Russian- Finnish war. Seems almost a direct parallel to the war in Ukraine. (Sponsored by a gaming channel so a far amount of adds etc to get through), but very informative.
 Winter War - Soviet Finnish 1939-1940 War - FULL 3d DOCUMENTARY |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 12:37:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: That family is very well known for spending money on things they want to fully control. Soros and his son are evil period. They have done tremendous harm to the United States. If they invest money into Ukraine its purpose is only to further their own goals. Ukraine should distance themselves from the Soros’s. Giant pile of dead, shot, burnt up, drowned and crushed Russians? Keep it coming - I don’t give a shit who put up the money if no American lives are lost in the process. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 12:54:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Russia is losing roughly 800-1500 men daily in Ukraine. Pro “moose and squirrel” folks love to push the “russia is bringing in 30k men monthly! Ukraine can’t handle that!” But fail to ask why Russia is bringing in 30k men monthly. Where are those men going? For the sake of argument, let's say 700 men are getting wounded per day. Where they are going is back to Mother Russia and their village or city. Do you think that news won't start infiltrating the general population about how fucked up the situation is in Ukraine? Commander's extorting 1/3 of your pay or else you get sent to the front line. The beatings and general drunkenness of the army in general. 100 out of 120 soldiers killed in a unit within a couple of months. Poor healthcare for the wounded. This will affect Russia for at least two decades after this is all over. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:22:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: For the sake of argument, let's say 700 men are getting wounded per day. Where they are going is back to Mother Russia and their village or city. Do you think that news won't start infiltrating the general population about how fucked up the situation is in Ukraine? Commander's extorting 1/3 of your pay or else you get sent to the front line. The beatings and general drunkenness of the army in general. 100 out of 120 soldiers killed in a unit within a couple of months. Poor healthcare for the wounded. This will affect Russia for at least two decades after this is all over. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:25:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: What happened to Gen. Zhukov in the end? Didn't Stalin do something bad to him? Nothing terribly bad. Stalin was worried about the crazy popularity Zhukov enjoyed and basically sent him to command some hinterland post. He was rehabilitated after Stalin's death and was a a major player in getting the monster Lavrenti Beria arrested when Khrushchev came to power. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:26:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd341: The Jungian thing?  Zhukovs new nickname: Pvt Joker! *account warning incoming*  You're already on my list. Now you're on it twice. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:27:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: You're already on my list. Now you're on it twice.  |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:28:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Missed this until the post above. You are then aware that much of the Euro media was not saying that the war would end in a couple of weeks. As with US media, it is not monolithic, but there was much more awareness and cautious reporting than seen in the USA. I do not speak a second language, so I most likely missed many sources that don't have an English version, but what I did see/read was predicting a longer war. For my part I actively sought Euro news as the US version was so clearly in the tank for the short war. Germany, collectively, was scared shitless that they were looking at the Russians on the border. There was little doubt about the outcome of the war. If it was really just days is debatable, but they were sure that the Russians would take over Ukraine shortly and present a serious problem for the rest of western Europe. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:34:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnh57: Watched this last night about the Russian- Finnish war. Seems almost a direct parallel to the war in Ukraine. (Sponsored by a gaming channel so a far amount of adds etc to get through), but very informative.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uk5bY22RSEThere's a good Finnish movie called "Talvisota". I have a copy with English subtitles.  SABATON - Talvisota (Tormenta edition) |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:40:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Nothing terribly bad. Stalin was worried about the crazy popularity Zhukov enjoyed and basically sent him to command some hinterland post. He was rehabilitated after Stalin's death and was a a major player in getting the monster Lavrenti Beria arrested when Khrushchev came to power. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 6:32:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Russia is losing roughly 800-1500 men daily in Ukraine. Where are those men going? Mostly fertilizer, some meatcubification. 
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:30:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Nothing terribly bad. Stalin was worried about the crazy popularity Zhukov enjoyed and basically sent him to command some hinterland post. He was rehabilitated after Stalin's death and was a a major player in getting the monster Lavrenti Beria arrested when Khrushchev came to power. See the documentary film "The Death of Stalin" with Jason Isaacs as Zhukov for historical detail. 
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:50:31 PM EST
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Posted without comment, worth watching.
 Margarita Simonyan admits to RT's covert projects |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:58:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: You're already on my list. Now you're on it twice. Ironically i expected you to have the “death of stalin” Zhukov flashing his medals gif instead of your current one. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 8:02:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Germany, collectively, was scared shitless that they were looking at the Russians on the border. There was little doubt about the outcome of the war. If it was really just days is debatable, but they were sure that the Russians would take over Ukraine shortly and present a serious problem for the rest of western Europe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Missed this until the post above. You are then aware that much of the Euro media was not saying that the war would end in a couple of weeks. As with US media, it is not monolithic, but there was much more awareness and cautious reporting than seen in the USA. I do not speak a second language, so I most likely missed many sources that don't have an English version, but what I did see/read was predicting a longer war. For my part I actively sought Euro news as the US version was so clearly in the tank for the short war. Germany, collectively, was scared shitless that they were looking at the Russians on the border. There was little doubt about the outcome of the war. If it was really just days is debatable, but they were sure that the Russians would take over Ukraine shortly and present a serious problem for the rest of western Europe. If Germany does find themselves in a war in the next 50 years they're going to be filling boxes quite rapidly (with their own soldiers). The German fighting spirit has been tempered greatly in the past 80 years. All of Europe talked a big game about arming back up, but they've done little but talk. They don't have the money or the will to 1) Re-arm, 2) Maintain their nanny state, 3) Reform their regulation-filled economy, 4) Take in every refugee in the world, 5) Make their taxes competitive, 6) Invest in technology, and 7) Make everything run on unicorn farts and smile energy. Europe will do what they do best, talk about their problems, then bureaucrats will reconvene at another 5 start resort hotel in a year to discuss this situation further. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 8:45:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: See the documentary film "The Death of Stalin" with Jason Isaacs as Zhukov for historical detail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Nothing terribly bad. Stalin was worried about the crazy popularity Zhukov enjoyed and basically sent him to command some hinterland post. He was rehabilitated after Stalin's death and was a a major player in getting the monster Lavrenti Beria arrested when Khrushchev came to power. See the documentary film "The Death of Stalin" with Jason Isaacs as Zhukov for historical detail. Fantastic documentary. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 8:58:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: If there is one thing that will make me flip on my support for Ukraine, it is a close collaboration with the Soros family - unless ol' Alex just sends Ukraine a bunch of no-strings money. The Soros Open Societies Foundation has 17 offices in all of Europe And Asia. Five of them are in Ukraine. Soros has had his hooks in Ukraine since the late 1980s through his NGO, the International Renessaince Foundation. This book tells you of George Soros and Ukraine. Fiona Hill, one of the key witnesses for the impeachment hearing was a big time former employee of Soros. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 9:04:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowMexican: It wasn't really Russians who started that ball rolling though. It was all theory. A short cheap run with the Paris Commune in 1871. Lenin was the first to create a nation based on Socialism/ Communism (Bismarckian Socialism was socialism lite). A police and surveillance state that terrorized its own citizens. But the Marxists of yesteryear were replaced with neo-Marxists of today and here we are. Slow steady march through the institutions. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 9:12:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowMexican: Accepting aid from the likes of Soros and the WEF is asking Jimmy Savile for help, the price that will have to paid in exchange will NOT be worth it. He's already been successful. George Soros sees the EU as the model for the Popper Communism model he adores. Ukraine is the test bed. The idea was to replace the existing bureaucracy aligned with Russia to one aligned with the EU. All the bureaucratic jobs are filled with Ukrainians aligned with the EU (Western Ukes) and with former EU bureaucrats beholden to Soros for their high paying jobs associated with Ukraine or actually in Ukraine. Soros NGO played a major role in switching out the Uke government peeps, especially the ones that were hired for the corruption bureau (this was made possible by Poroshenko passing laws to make it so after their 'revolution'). |
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:21:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: It was all theory. A short cheap run with the Paris Commune in 1871. Lenin was the first to create a nation based on Socialism/ Communism (Bismarckian Socialism was socialism lite). A police and surveillance state that terrorized its own citizens. But the Marxists of yesteryear were replaced with neo-Marxists of today and here we are. Slow steady march through the institutions. I mean the Bolsheviks and their Western supporters like Jacob Schiff, the Soros of his era, were members of a certain group that come to think of it, are inordinately influential in both Ukraine and the West today. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:08:28 PM EST
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:43:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryGood  |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:55:41 PM EST
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Did they capture the nuclear reactor yet? Close?
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:58:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SnowMexican: I mean the Bolsheviks and their Western supporters like Jacob Schiff, the Soros of his era, were members of a certain group that come to think of it, are inordinately influential in both Ukraine and the West today. The Bolsheviks and Lenin got all kinds of breaks. Hoover gave them a shit load of food through the American Relief Administration for the starving Russians since all of Lenin's economic plans were shit. . Hoover was a hell of a good man. I don't understand how he gets shit on like he does in US History. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:04:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: The Bolsheviks and Lenin got all kinds of breaks. Hoover gave them a shit load of food through the American Relief Administration for the starving Russians since all of Lenin's economic plans were shit. . Hoover was a hell of a good man. I don't understand how he gets shit on like he does in US History. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: Originally Posted By SnowMexican: I mean the Bolsheviks and their Western supporters like Jacob Schiff, the Soros of his era, were members of a certain group that come to think of it, are inordinately influential in both Ukraine and the West today. The Bolsheviks and Lenin got all kinds of breaks. Hoover gave them a shit load of food through the American Relief Administration for the starving Russians since all of Lenin's economic plans were shit. . Hoover was a hell of a good man. I don't understand how he gets shit on like he does in US History. He wasn't a Leftist in an era when the Lefties were really, really excited and thought they were going to take over the world. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:18:02 PM EST
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Anybody going to update us on how much MORE Russian dirt the UAF took today?
 They got to be getting close to Moscow by now... And capturing a nuke plant, and cutting off a gas line, and... |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:30:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aaron56: Anybody going to update us on how much MORE Russian dirt the UAF took today? They got to be getting close to Moscow by now... And capturing a nuke plant, and cutting off a gas line, and... Giving it a few days to see where the dust settles for claims from both sides |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 3:26:50 AM EST
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Quote Historywill these Storm Shadows reach Moscow? turn off the lights in Moscow? |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 7:54:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somaliskinnypirate: Did they capture the nuclear reactor yet? Close? Ukraine's 2024 version of Unternehmen Wacht Am Rhein is ending the same way the 1944 German version did. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:03:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryAnother red line crossed. This time Putin will use nukes, for sure 
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:22:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: will these Storm Shadows reach Moscow? turn off the lights in Moscow? I'm skeptical the UK gave them more than a handful. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:25:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: I'm skeptical the UK gave them more than a handful. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: Originally Posted By x248716x: will these Storm Shadows reach Moscow? turn off the lights in Moscow? I'm skeptical the UK gave them more than a handful. But don’t you agree it would be a good thing if the UK gave them more and if Ukraine uses them to hit Moscow? |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:34:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: daemon734]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: But don’t you agree it would be a good thing if the UK gave them more and if Ukraine uses them to hit Moscow? The coolest part of that happening would be that either the Ukrainians gained a shitload more distance inside Russia or the Storm Shadow somehow doubled in range. I'm not holding my breath for either one, but feel free to wake me up if one happens. The reality is Ukraine is now losing ground in Kursk and I'm willing to bet the UK has shit for missiles in inventory, just like the rest of their stockpiles. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:49:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-pokrovsk-donetsk-c086bef7cf8846ca5b0a5227b9fc775d
The key eastern Ukraine city of Pokrovsk is without a drinking water supply or natural gas for cooking and heating, authorities said, as the Russian army’s attritional slog across the Donetsk region lays waste to public infrastructure and forces civilians to flee their homes. https://kyivindependent.com/russian-attacks-cut-off-gas-water-supplies-to-pokrovsk-governor-says/  https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/12/zelenskiy-defiant-russia-retakes-kursk-villages-ukraine 
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:53:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eurotrash: But don’t you agree it would be a good thing if the UK gave them more and if Ukraine uses them to hit Moscow?   https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-missiles-war-nato-zelenskyy-b8039dcdd5b5f03415acd757fbead8e6  
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Posted: 9/12/2024 11:02:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: CarmelBytheSea]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x248716x: will these Storm Shadows reach Moscow? turn off the lights in Moscow? Unlikely as far as Moscow but Ukraine has generated a list of targets it would like to strike to impact Russian operations in Ukraine https://www.timesnownews.com/world/europe/russia-launches-offensive-counteroffensive-against-ukraine-in-kursk-article-113299643/amp   https://kyivindependent.com/russian-cities-left-defenseless-as-ukraine-ramps-up-drone-attacks/  https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-missiles-war-nato-zelenskyy-b8039dcdd5b5f03415acd757fbead8e6  
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Posted: 9/12/2024 11:17:21 AM EST
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Posted: 9/12/2024 11:18:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lokifox: Fantastic documentary. Ugh...I knelt in his piss....
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Posted: 9/12/2024 7:44:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: The coolest part of that happening would be that either the Ukrainians gained a shitload more distance inside Russia or the Storm Shadow somehow doubled in range. I'm not holding my breath for either one, but feel free to wake me up if one happens. The reality is Ukraine is now losing ground in Kursk and I'm willing to bet the UK has shit for missiles in inventory, just like the rest of their stockpiles. UK having shit for inventory because of budget priorities fits in very well with their total abandonment of defence because of rule by self-hating cunts  |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 7:56:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: Mostly fertilizer, some meatcubification. https://i.imgur.com/gy3EUvT.jpeg https://t.me/karymat_eng/796 No body, no problem. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 7:59:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By daemon734: The coolest part of that happening would be that either the Ukrainians gained a shitload more distance inside Russia or the Storm Shadow somehow doubled in range. I'm not holding my breath for either one, but feel free to wake me up if one happens. The reality is Ukraine is now losing ground in Kursk and I'm willing to bet the UK has shit for missiles in inventory, just like the rest of their stockpiles. I'm picturing a domino type impact where our partner nations previously had "we'll just buy more from the US" as their PGM resupply plan and now with the US backordered by literal years on restocking those partner nations end up with empty racks and a long domestic lead time. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:08:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: I'm picturing a domino type impact where our partner nations previously had "we'll just buy more from the US" as their PGM resupply plan and now with the US backordered by literal years on restocking those partner nations end up with empty racks and a long domestic lead time. At exactly the time when China makes its steps to finally dethrone the US as the global hegemon in all areas. The free nations run out of all those fancy long lead-time missiles, while China just kept rolling them out by the truckload. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 8:34:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpacman: For the sake of argument, let's say 700 men are getting wounded per day. Where they are going is back to Mother Russia and their village or city. Do you think that news won't start infiltrating the general population about how fucked up the situation is in Ukraine? But they're not, though. For the most part they're being forced back to the front lines, or at least into rear areas. Even last year, one group made a protest video that they'd all been wounded repeatedly and were still sent back to the front to die rather than letting them go home. The Russian military doesn't want word leaking back home, even though it does anyway. There's a darkly hilarious video of two chmobiks with leg injuries slowly hobbling around an encampment with one crutch apiece (having to use tree branches for their second crutches). It's like with Nagants except with crutches -- only one each, if the first man dies then the second man gets a second crutch. Or, if you go way back, remember the drone-grenade-through-the-sunroof incident? One of the chmobiks in the car had a full-length cast on one leg. It's not like he'd been sent home after getting it put on, he was still in a forward area with fighting going on -- Ukraine hadn't developed long range quadcopters back then, they were still using Mavics with a 5km maximum range. So that guy was within three miles of the front lines. |
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Posted: 9/13/2024 10:58:24 AM EST
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