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Posted: 10/25/2023 8:00:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They probably tried to correct an overstated usage amount and subtracted too much and had and underflow on an unsigned eight byte (sixty four bit) integer. Their software apparently didnt check for underflows. Lol. The one time you get lazy and don't put a check in, that's when you get fucked. In other news, I spent a lot of my day yesterday checking for edge cases in a project since I'm the guy who's most likely to try a stupid set of inputs "just because I wanted to see what would happen." 
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Posted: 10/25/2023 8:15:39 AM EDT
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Was switching five phones from tmobile to verizon. Verizon said all five would work on their network. Four out of five did, my personal cell would not. Both carriers said the phone is unlocked BUT it was popping up a message saying Call sprint to unlock your phone.
Tmobile bought sprint a while back. Tmobile's own website said my phone is locked but "tech" support said it's not. Not exaggerating, I spent about ten hours on the phone between verizon and tmobile Went into a tmobile store and the nice girl spent about an hour on the phone with tmobile's "tech" support trying to fix this. Got hung up on twice. Finally she apologized and gave up. So I went to Twitter and called out tmobile. Girl responded within minutes. Had me try a couple of thing that I had already tried several times. Finally told her "The phone is locked by sprint. You bought sprint. This is now your problem and you need to replace my phone" She agreed and sent me an android S20 (I have a S9). Installed my verizon SIM card and all was well. Took a week to work thru this nonsense. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 8:17:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tagging this thread, because it has a lot of potential. I've gone back and forth with ISP's a few times over simple issues, and wanted to pull my hair out. I should have recorded all of the conversations. There may not be a single person OP deals with that actually understands just how unpossible that number is, nevermind an edge case like you've described. If you tried to explain how this could have happened, they would probably think you're a moron. I had my Internet service disconnected for non-payment of a bill that wasn't due for two more weeks. I was told there would be a reconnection fee, which I outright refused. I went through multiple people before I found a reasonable person who understood that shutting me off on the 9th for not paying a bill that wasn't due until the 24th was absurd and waived the fee. Then I got to have the same conversations with other people for the exact same issue several months later. Again, someone finally waived the fee. Later in the year it happened a third time, and I just gave up and went with a different provider. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 8:28:12 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Default data type for integer in most programming languages. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An interesting side thought: why are they even using signed integers? That implies it's possible for a customer to have negative usage. Ah. Fair point. Don't attribute to incompetence that which can be explained by laziness. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 9:28:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: They shut off my data for all of my devices and I was on my account trying to figure out what the heck is going on and stumbled across this gem. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3002789.JPG Their customer service is stating that I actually used that much data. For reference, this is 9.2 million billion gigabytes. To put that in perspective, assuming 3gb per hour I could stream Netflix on HD continuously for 350 billion years and still not use that much data. I can't reach anyone at Verizon who understands exactly how large that number is, and they won't correct their mistake. Do I need to make a twitter and @ some smart people? ETA: A Verizon "supervisor" has reached out to me and let me know he is looking into the problem. Apparently when you use the word "Quadrillion" it is hard to be taken seriously. I've been logged into a customer's Subscriber unit that had a 30Mbps download package and saw it hit like 30KMbps for a few seconds. Knowing networking and bandwidth capabilities of my equipment like I do I knew it had to be a bug in the firmware of the device. Thankfully thought, the spike was not wide enough to show up on the historical logging of their usage or anywhere else in the path between them and our edge. I have worked with VZW in the past and I think in most places they have a stellar network and most of the Engineering or network guys know whats up, but the folks you get on the phone probably have trouble making toast or boiling water. Even worse with Straight Talk. One weekend between Friday evening and Sunday morning, I went though 24 different techs trying to get a resolution for an issue. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 9:35:05 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even better when someone (someone here?) responded to Verizon, it isn't be hard for them to me the person who who accounts for 95% of all data on their network Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over.   Attached File |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 10:18:40 AM EDT
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Funny story about a "Quadrillion".
I had a burglary case where we had video, DNA from blood on the glass inside the window, and the suspect with the cut up hands. Basically, the best case you could possibly have. It went to trial. At trial, the lab workers testified about the DNA(this was 2008, so DNA was still relatively new). Chance of it being someone OTHER than the suspect? 1 in 14 QUADRILLION. Basically, there was no possibility it was someone else. But I remember they wrote out that number 14 with all the zeros behind it on the flip chart for all the jurors to see. It was awesome. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 11:26:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah. Fair point. Don't attribute to incompetence that which can be explained by laziness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: An interesting side thought: why are they even using signed integers? That implies it's possible for a customer to have negative usage. Ah. Fair point. Don't attribute to incompetence that which can be explained by laziness. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 11:32:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny story about a "Quadrillion". I had a burglary case where we had video, DNA from blood on the glass inside the window, and the suspect with the cut up hands. Basically, the best case you could possibly have. It went to trial. At trial, the lab workers testified about the DNA(this was 2008, so DNA was still relatively new). Chance of it being someone OTHER than the suspect? 1 in 14 QUADRILLION. Basically, there was no possibility it was someone else. But I remember they wrote out that number 14 with all the zeros behind it on the flip chart for all the jurors to see. It was awesome. People can't fathom huge numbers. After about 106 most people can't envision the magnitude (in practice). |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 11:35:43 AM EDT
[#10]
Has your iPad been infected and turned into a spam mail relay?
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Posted: 10/25/2023 12:13:07 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG 
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Posted: 10/25/2023 12:14:14 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a lot of porn. A whole lot.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 12:26:06 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even better when someone (someone here?) responded to Verizon, it isn't be hard for them to me the person who who accounts for 95% of all data on their network Seriously question: have you ever gone so far as to do more like? |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 12:29:28 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG So did they delete all that porn or did you get to keep 9 quadrillion mb of porn? |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 12:32:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny story about a "Quadrillion". I had a burglary case where we had video, DNA from blood on the glass inside the window, and the suspect with the cut up hands. Basically, the best case you could possibly have. It went to trial. At trial, the lab workers testified about the DNA(this was 2008, so DNA was still relatively new). Chance of it being someone OTHER than the suspect? 1 in 14 QUADRILLION. Basically, there was no possibility it was someone else. But I remember they wrote out that number 14 with all the zeros behind it on the flip chart for all the jurors to see. It was awesome. This bring up something I ponder occasionally; which is how accurate DNA evidence claims really are... Given there are approximately 70,368,744,177,664 (70 trillion) possible combinations of Human DNA, if the human population ever reached 71 trillion there would be a certainty of a genetic match out there. Of course the possibility would still exist of a genetic match with the current population of 8 billion, and I highly doubt the percentage chance of match is 1:14 quadrillion. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 12:41:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This bring up something I ponder occasionally; which is how accurate DNA evidence claims really are... Given there are approximately 70,368,744,177,664 (70 trillion) possible combinations of Human DNA, if the human population ever reached 71 trillion there would be a certainty of a genetic match out there. Of course the possibility would still exist of a genetic match with the current population of 8 billion, and I highly doubt the percentage chance of match is 1:14 quadrillion. Wow, went from Verizon glitch to genetic reincarnation... |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 1:13:16 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, went from Verizon glitch to genetic reincarnation... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This bring up something I ponder occasionally; which is how accurate DNA evidence claims really are... Given there are approximately 70,368,744,177,664 (70 trillion) possible combinations of Human DNA, if the human population ever reached 71 trillion there would be a certainty of a genetic match out there. Of course the possibility would still exist of a genetic match with the current population of 8 billion, and I highly doubt the percentage chance of match is 1:14 quadrillion. Wow, went from Verizon glitch to genetic reincarnation... It's ok, by then the matrix should have a patch to keep you in different places at any given time |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 1:23:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get some long cables and use the throughput as a space heater? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: thats 9,223,372,036,854 terrabytes. thats 9,223,372 exabytes. the sum of all human knowledge from the dawn of time until that moment was 150 Exabytes i'd want your bandwidth but nothing in my wildest dreams could handle that much data. Get some long cables and use the throughput as a space heater? Monster™ cables FTW! lol |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 1:36:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2023 1:40:51 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG Wait'll you get your bill.
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Posted: 10/25/2023 1:41:14 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what was at the end of the internet? 
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:33:07 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still take about 90 trillion years or so to download with a high speed connection. Which means *everyone's* ideas about the age of the universe are wrong. Or Verizon screwed up. One of those. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's actually 9 quintillion GB. That's 9 quadrillion terabytes, 9 trillion petabytes, 9 billion exabytes, 9 million zettabytes, 9 thousand yottabytes, and 9 ronnabytes. I had to look those last couple up. You went too far. It's yottabytes. And you divide by 1024, not 1000. So it actually comes out to 8.192 yottabytes. Still take about 90 trillion years or so to download with a high speed connection. Which means *everyone's* ideas about the age of the universe are wrong. Or Verizon screwed up. One of those. Here’s a more impressive “everyday number”: The amount of unique combinations you can shuffle with a standard deck of cards is 52! (fifty-two factorial). 8.0658x1067 80,658,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Mankind could shuffle cards at it’s current pace until the sun dies and not have reached a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of that number. In fact, there’s way more possible shuffles than even estimated grains of sand in the observable universe… 7,500,000,000,000,000,000 grains on earth 9 earth-like planets per star 100,000,000,000 stars in the average galaxy 2,000,000,000,000 galaxies in universe 135,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 grains of sand … The deck of cards still has over a trillion-trillion times more combinations. So next time you give a deck of cards a good shuffle; smile because you’ve just made history. And nobody is likely to ever do it again. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:41:01 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG You should have told Verizon that you would accept one millionth of one cent for each gigabyte in the over charge to settle up. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:43:25 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the USPS ran a telecom company, it would be Verizon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't reach anyone at Verizon who understands exactly how large that number is, and they won't correct their mistake. IDK, my experience with tmobile has been on par with my usps experience, verizon was never that bad when I had them |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:46:25 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG Thats a lot less porn |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 2:48:44 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At trial, the lab workers testified about the DNA(this was 2008, so DNA was still relatively new). . DNA has been used as evidence in court since 1986. Was not exactly “new” I imagine if was pretty funny to see that many zeroes introduced to a jury though |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 5:05:10 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So did they delete all that porn or did you get to keep 9 quadrillion mb of porn? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG So did they delete all that porn or did you get to keep 9 quadrillion mb of porn? Giga. Bytes. |
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Posted: 10/25/2023 5:08:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's a more impressive "everyday number": The amount of unique combinations you can shuffle with a standard deck of cards is 52! (fifty-two factorial). 8.0658x1067 80,658,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Mankind could shuffle cards at it's current pace until the sun dies and not have reached a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of that number. In fact, there's way more possible shuffles than even estimated grains of sand in the observable universe 7,500,000,000,000,000,000 grains on earth 9 earth-like planets per star 100,000,000,000 stars in the average galaxy 2,000,000,000,000 galaxies in universe 135,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 grains of sand The deck of cards still has over a trillion-trillion times more combinations. So next time you give a deck of cards a good shuffle; smile because you've just made history. And nobody is likely to ever do it again. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's actually 9 quintillion GB. That's 9 quadrillion terabytes, 9 trillion petabytes, 9 billion exabytes, 9 million zettabytes, 9 thousand yottabytes, and 9 ronnabytes. I had to look those last couple up. You went too far. It's yottabytes. And you divide by 1024, not 1000. So it actually comes out to 8.192 yottabytes. Still take about 90 trillion years or so to download with a high speed connection. Which means *everyone's* ideas about the age of the universe are wrong. Or Verizon screwed up. One of those. Here's a more impressive "everyday number": The amount of unique combinations you can shuffle with a standard deck of cards is 52! (fifty-two factorial). 8.0658x1067 80,658,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Mankind could shuffle cards at it's current pace until the sun dies and not have reached a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of that number. In fact, there's way more possible shuffles than even estimated grains of sand in the observable universe 7,500,000,000,000,000,000 grains on earth 9 earth-like planets per star 100,000,000,000 stars in the average galaxy 2,000,000,000,000 galaxies in universe 135,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 grains of sand The deck of cards still has over a trillion-trillion times more combinations. So next time you give a deck of cards a good shuffle; smile because you've just made history. And nobody is likely to ever do it again. 
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Posted: 10/25/2023 5:30:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah. Fair point. Don't attribute to incompetence that which can be explained by laziness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: An interesting side thought: why are they even using signed integers? That implies it's possible for a customer to have negative usage. Ah. Fair point. Don't attribute to incompetence that which can be explained by laziness.  |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 8:37:42 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here’s a more impressive “everyday number”: The amount of unique combinations you can shuffle with a standard deck of cards is 52! (fifty-two factorial). 8.0658x1067 80,658,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Mankind could shuffle cards at it’s current pace until the sun dies and not have reached a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of that number. In fact, there’s way more possible shuffles than even estimated grains of sand in the observable universe… 7,500,000,000,000,000,000 grains on earth 9 earth-like planets per star 100,000,000,000 stars in the average galaxy 2,000,000,000,000 galaxies in universe 135,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 grains of sand … The deck of cards still has over a trillion-trillion times more combinations. So next time you give a deck of cards a good shuffle; smile because you’ve just made history. And nobody is likely to ever do it again. What are the chances of being struck by lightning... more than once... and then what are the chances I not just "Know a guy" but worked with him for 6 years... he gets off the golf course very quick when clouds start to gather... Who is ever going to know if a deck of cards HAS been shuffled the same way more than once? Maybe in 2026 we will have enough government or google oversight to know... |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 8:40:57 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:
I received a call from (American) Verizon tech support today. They fixed my account and wanted to confirm I wasn't having issues. I am kind of bummed out that it is all over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/467407/Capture_JPG-3003615.JPG the unlimited plans are now cheaper than the rest. what plan are you on exactly, and have you shopped the unlimited ones? |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 8:56:53 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously question: have you ever gone so far as to do more like? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Even better when someone (someone here?) responded to Verizon, it isn't be hard for them to me the person who who accounts for 95% of all data on their network the actual response tweet (I mean X; so dumb): 
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Posted: 10/26/2023 9:33:18 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, how much data is that? Well, there are about 8,000,000,000 people in the world. There are 365 days in a year and 24 hours in a day. That comes to 70,080,000,000,000 “person hours” for the whole world. Take that 9,223,372,036,854,776 Gigabyte number and divide it by the person hours in the world and you get 131.6 Gigabytes for every man, woman, and child in the world for every hour of every day in a year. Based on these numbers I can say that this is not just a lot of porn, it’s all the porn. I believe your math is in error, sir. There are actually 365.25 days in a year. The extra annual 1/4 day is necessary to include leap years. |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 7:00:24 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That would appear to be them failing with the math on a 64 bit integer. That's almost the maximum for that data type. Maxed out double precision floating point mantissa? |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 7:02:01 PM EDT
[#35]
If Seinfield was made today this would be a problem George would have.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 7:04:11 PM EDT
[#36]
Shoulda paid for unlimited
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Posted: 10/26/2023 7:20:06 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, how much data is that? Well, there are about 8,000,000,000 people in the world. There are 365 days in a year and 24 hours in a day. That comes to 70,080,000,000,000 “person hours” for the whole world. Take that 9,223,372,036,854,776 Gigabyte number and divide it by the person hours in the world and you get 131.6 Gigabytes for every man, woman, and child in the world for every hour of every day in a year. Based on these numbers I can say that this is not just a lot of porn, it’s all the porn. It's all the porn so far... |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 7:22:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An interesting side thought: why are they even using signed integers? That implies it's possible for a customer to have negative usage. might be a way to provide credits... |
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Posted: 10/27/2023 4:56:21 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe your math is in error, sir. There are actually 365.25 days in a year. The extra annual 1/4 day is necessary to include leap years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, how much data is that? Well, there are about 8,000,000,000 people in the world. There are 365 days in a year and 24 hours in a day. That comes to 70,080,000,000,000 “person hours” for the whole world. Take that 9,223,372,036,854,776 Gigabyte number and divide it by the person hours in the world and you get 131.6 Gigabytes for every man, woman, and child in the world for every hour of every day in a year. Based on these numbers I can say that this is not just a lot of porn, it’s all the porn. I believe your math is in error, sir. There are actually 365.25 days in a year. The extra annual 1/4 day is necessary to include leap years. @sergtjim Don’t forget leap seconds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second |
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