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I just got this email from peacemaker. I am a member there. It's confusing to me, how this is even possible. How did this not get thrown out?
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I'm pissed! That means my information is going to some anti gun fuckstick and their lawyers. Fucking bullshit.
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No. Only ATF. And in very rare cases Cuban Colonels. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Does that court even have jurisdiction to release 4473s? And in very rare cases Cuban Colonels. Wolverines!!!!! Red Dawn Gun Control.avi |
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http://www.legis.state.wv.us/wvcode/ChapterEntire.cfm?chap=61&art=6§ion=23 b) Except as provided in this section, a person may not maintain a nuisance action for noise against a shooting range located in the vicinity of that person's property if the range was established as of the date of the person acquiring the property. If there is a substantial change in use of the range or there is a period of shooting inactivity at a range exceeding one year after the person acquires the property, the person may maintain a nuisance action if the action is brought within two years from the beginning of the substantial change in use of the range, or the resumption of shooting activity. View Quote |
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That sucks. I used to live in Inwood and went there several times. Its a nice facility and at one time had a 1000yd range.
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Because like it or not LE agencies have a better chance of making a phone call to someone that will stop this silly shit like the state AG. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why are they special? The entire fiasco is an outrageous overreach by the "judicial" system. I'd look at extreme measures if they released my information. |
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That sucks. I used to live in Inwood and went there several times. Its a nice facility and at one time had a 1000yd range.
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Hopefully the range wins the suit and then turns around and has a free machinegun shoot day with free ammo for all those that attend. Then I hope they set up a few General Electric M134 Miniguns and the event goes into the wee hours of the night/early morning culminating in an GE M134 tracer and explosion show. You know..kind of like the machinegun shoot in what is it...Tennessee? Or is it Kentucky? View Quote |
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If it has not already been discussed, there has been a legal defense fund set up.
Please help if you can. Peacemaker's Legal Defense Fund |
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Probably Liberal out of Stater moved in. From NJ, NY, MD View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have a lot of friends that shoot there. Not good. From NJ, NY, MD Frederick County is where all the Washintonians have their weekend homes |
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The plaintiff, lawyers, AND judge should all be raked over the coals for this. Judges should not be immune from prosecution or civil suits resulting from stupid decisions. The fact that the suit has no merit and is expressly forbidden aside, there is absolutely no reason for the release of private information. Lawyer up, refuse to release the info, and counter-sue for legal fees and damages if any info is released. Name the judge.
I'm not a lawyer and I expect most of this isn't possible, but it really needs to be. Our legal system is a fucking travesty and it's people like this that made it that way. |
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Absolutely. It sounds like this is released under a protective order though. So it will still be "protected." But still. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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THIS. @LawyerUp : I'm not a WV lawyer, so I'm asking you whether third parties can file as intervenor to stop the release of this info to plaintiffs, even under Protective Order? My experience is mainly limited to Texas, but both State and Federal courts here appear extremely hesitant to allow discovery of membership lists and other personal data unless directly relevant to the matter at hand in the case. I've had similar experiences in Fed court in Florida and even, yes, California. |
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Kiss that range goodbye.
I'm honestly surprised my gun club hasn't been shut down, it's surrounded on 3 sides by a neighborhood. |
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Thanks to all who have shown support and donated to the legal fund.
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The Goldsteins deserve a blanket party View Quote 1) I am a Goldstein. 2) I am of no relation to those Goldstein's. 3) I am a member of Peacemakers, and have been since the second year they opened. 4) I've already donated and will likely do more in the coming weeks. Broad brushes paint friends and enemies alike. Carry on. |
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Please help spread the word via social media, and other communities. We need all the help we can get.
None of us want to see this become the start of a nationwide trend. If you can't donate, simply share the original message far and wide. Thank you to everyone for the continued support. |
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We are getting some positive responses and support from members of the shooting industry.
Keep spreading the word. We are making an impact. Great job! |
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I have talked to Keith Morgan of the WVCDL. They are aware and are on this!
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I have talked to Keith Morgan of the WVCDL. They are aware and are on this! View Quote The release of private information is the really disturbing part of this. Again, we find ourselves in an incremental battle to keep our rights and privacy intact. We all need to hold the ground we have gained in this country. We cannot let things begin to backslide. Continue to spread the word. This could be your favorite range or gun shop next. |
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The fact that the suit has no merit and is expressly forbidden aside... View Quote If they have convinced a judge that those conditions appear to have been met, and they have convinced him that they need access to those documents in order to establish their case fully, then what they are doing may be the correct application of the law in that jurisdiction. I guess it depends on what their fishing trip laws are like. It would be interesting to hear from the people involved-enough to actually know what it being argued. |
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Posted just now on Peacemaker's Facebook page:
URGENT UPDATE: We have just been informed that the Plaintiff's attorneys under the court order will be reviewing privacy related documents beginning Wednesday March 22nd 2017. https://www.facebook.com/PNTCWV/ @PNTCWV |
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This again. I would love to see the range countersue for harassment
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They are the defendant. If they fail to comply, judgment can be entered against them, in which case, the plaintiffs will get everything they are asking for put into an enforceable court order. They should be seeking a "writ of prohibition" from the WV Supreme Court before complying. Likewise, the affected customers should be hiring lawyers to send the plaintiffs, and their lawyers, letters that they are about to get sued. <----licensed WV lawyer View Quote Attached File |
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They should offer some free memberships to some 4chan guys. I'm sure they wouldn't take too kindly to their info being released and those aren't the guys that you want to piss off. Just ask Shia LaBeouf.
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Assault on 2A just got personal
Let's keep this going. Continue to spread the word and help out any way possible. |
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I was going to ask if they could file an appeal currently based on the court's denial of motions. We have a similar statute in PA which says that the ordinance or lack thereof that was in place when construction began controls. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113377/Screenshot-20170320-065151-170052.JPG View Quote |
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The existence of the protective order would suggest that the D's counsel moved to exclude personal data evidence and failed, with the protective order being issued either in the alternative as a fallback, or by the Judge as a consolation. I'm unfamiliar with the realities of WV court practice, but would you assume that to be the case here? My experience is mainly limited to Texas, but both State and Federal courts here appear extremely hesitant to allow discovery of membership lists and other personal data unless directly relevant to the matter at hand in the case. I've had similar experiences in Fed court in Florida and even, yes, California. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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THIS. @LawyerUp : I'm not a WV lawyer, so I'm asking you whether third parties can file as intervenor to stop the release of this info to plaintiffs, even under Protective Order? My experience is mainly limited to Texas, but both State and Federal courts here appear extremely hesitant to allow discovery of membership lists and other personal data unless directly relevant to the matter at hand in the case. I've had similar experiences in Fed court in Florida and even, yes, California. |
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just pulled the addresses on Google Maps. you'd think that 1/2 mile of dense forest would kill sound quite a bit View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If only whitepages.com would return an address and phone number for a Diane H Goldstein from Winchester, VA... Oh...wait...it does...and she just so happens to live 1/2 a mile from the range as the crow flies. I have shot at PNTC so my name is on the list. |
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I informed a member of the WVCDL about another range in the area that has had similar complaints.
The WVCDL has good people and resources. That county also has previous cases of noise complaints at shooting ranges. In fact I went to one of the hearings for it. The case I was part of ended up getting tossed out due to them little bitchs not having a leg to stand on. This is also another reason all shooter need to support the HPA. |
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Courts are the true menace.
I wish I could go back to school. I'd go to law school just to get in on the front lines of this 'shooting war'. |
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They could file a petition for writ of prohibition to the WV Supreme Court. That is going to entail a lot of additional attorney fees however. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I was going to ask if they could file an appeal currently based on the court's denial of motions. We have a similar statute in PA which says that the ordinance or lack thereof that was in place when construction began controls. <a href="https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113377/Screenshot-20170320-065151-170052.JPG" target="_blank">https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113377/Screenshot-20170320-065151-170052.JPG</a> Which I'm sure is part of the offending lawyer's goal. Spend them into the dirt while his lawyer does it for some leftish cash. |
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They are the defendant. If they fail to comply, judgment can be entered against them, in which case, the plaintiffs will get everything they are asking for put into an enforceable court order. They should be seeking a "writ of prohibition" from the WV Supreme Court before complying. Likewise, the affected customers should be hiring lawyers to send the plaintiffs, and their lawyers, letters that they are about to get sued. <----licensed WV lawyer View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes <strong>Quoted:</strong>
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pffft, why even acknowledge the court? They should be seeking a "writ of prohibition" from the WV Supreme Court before complying. Likewise, the affected customers should be hiring lawyers to send the plaintiffs, and their lawyers, letters that they are about to get sued. <----licensed WV lawyer Would you suggest hiring our own or going with PNTC's attorney? I suspect based on local politics who is representing PNTC but haven't verified it yet. Oh and the WV attorney referenced in the other link, who is helping the CA douchebag attorney - yeah, the wife of one of their attorneys was popped for smoking weed in her car right on the street in front of the office. That whole damned practice leans so far left I'm surprised it doesn't fall over. Quoted:
Sounds like the range needs to have a .50 cal day. <img src="http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_smartass.gif" /> I'll bring the M2. |
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Who in the blue fuck is that judge that lacks reading comprehension?
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I had an idea for counter attack after reading the paperwork last night.
Flood the plaintiff & their attorney's with counter demands from individual members. In exchange for the risk of our personal information being exposed or miss-used, ask them to put up a $10,000 bond, per name. I would think that individual members would have standing but I haven't had a chance to research any specific precedence. Can any WV lawyers comment on the idea? I would think that once the boilerplate is established, it would be pretty easy (inexpensive per member) to flood the plaintiff with individual filings. Any downstream risks of this approach? Edit to add, I see that @LawyerUp suggested something similar earlier in the thread. Any suggestions for pursuing this path? |
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I had an idea for counter attack after reading the paperwork last night. Flood the plaintiff & their attorney's with counter demands from individual members. In exchange for the risk of our personal information being exposed or miss-used, ask them to put up a $10,000 bond, per name. I would think that individual members would have standing but I haven't had a chance to research any specific precedence. Can any WV lawyers comment on the idea? I would think that once the boilerplate is established, it would be pretty easy (inexpensive per member) to flood the plaintiff with individual filings. Any downstream risks of this approach? Edit to add, I see that @LawyerUp suggested something similar earlier in the thread. Any suggestions for pursuing this path? View Quote |
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Someone call the Berkeley Circuit Clerk's Office and ask for a printout (generally a one page list) of everything that has been filed on the case and email it to me. I can tell you what I would need to see and you can request it to be emailed or faxed to me. Then I would be willing to do some individual consults for anyone affected. View Quote https://www.facebook.com/groups/WVCDL/ |
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