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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:46:16 PM EST
First Blood was on Pluto TV tonight so I watched it while I was doing something else.  

Is there a particular reason why Sheriff Teasle used a Heckler & Koch HK93A2 and his deputies used M16s?  Did the director / writers just want him to stand out or differentiate himself from the other sheriff deputies?  Or was there another reason?
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:46:42 PM EST
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It was his winter rifle…
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Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:48:29 PM EST
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I would have wanted an M-16 instead of that eurotrash rifle with shitty ergonomics and shitier sights.
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:50:31 PM EST
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That's the most likely reason.  It was pretty common for prop houses to have an assortment of guns for this stuff and they would give standout characters more unique looking guns for greater screen presence.
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:53:12 PM EST
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...Did the director / writers just want him to stand out or differentiate himself from the other sheriff deputies?
That's the most likely reason.  It was pretty common for prop houses to have an assortment of guns for this stuff and they would give standout characters more unique looking guns for greater screen presence.


There was an episode of the 70s television show “S.W.A.T.” where a terrorist group all used HK93A2s against the M16 equipped cops.
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:55:12 PM EST
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Because he’s better than everyone else and he hates you…

Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:56:12 PM EST
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It is what was on hand at the time of filming
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:59:13 PM EST
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It's fiction and all, but I just assume he brought a personally owned rifle and everyone else got theirs from the armory.
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:59:19 PM EST
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Because in a world of compromise, some don't.
Link Posted: 9/11/2024 11:59:57 PM EST
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Because it was a time of gun porn in movies.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 12:02:29 AM EST
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In reality a kingshit cop in Jerkwater USA of the time would not have a rifle at all.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 12:03:46 AM EST
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...Did the director / writers just want him to stand out or differentiate himself from the other sheriff deputies?
That's the most likely reason.  It was pretty common for prop houses to have an assortment of guns for this stuff and they would give standout characters more unique looking guns for greater screen presence.


Seems logical, probably much the same reason why they gave the character of Vincent Hanna a Mini-14 in Heat. Or why Karl had a G3 in Die Hard.

Link Posted: 9/12/2024 12:04:30 AM EST
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It's kind of an easter egg for gun literate viewers that explains Sheriff Teasle's hostility toward John Rambo, whom he perceived as a poor.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 12:05:59 AM EST
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So- you have never experienced management wanting the best thing, like a new car, while the troops get the worn out one with 100k miles on it?   Or a perceived “better” gun, etc?

It is almost a fucking perfect way to evaluate a leader in LE.  If they prioritize themselves, they are shitty.  If they prioritize the troops (of their own choosing), they are usually pretty good.  Have seen it many times…
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 12:08:16 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/12/2024 12:26:35 AM EST
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I would have wanted an M-16 instead of that eurotrash rifle with shitty ergonomics and shitier sights.
In reality a kingshit cop in Jerkwater USA of the time would not have a rifle at all.


This is true. The town in that movie was almost a carbon copy of the town I grew up in at that time. Same size town. Same dickhead cops. Same super dickhead sheriff. None of the LE had rifles in their patrol cars in our town at that time. It wasn’t long after though. A friend of mine from high school at that time was son of city police officer. His dad had a personal Colt AR with the “Property of the US Government” stamp on it. We thought it was pretty cool. Not as cool as this starry bra but cool.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 12:41:16 AM EST
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In Leon/The Professional, the NYPD ESU had a very odd assortment of rifles.

https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on:_The_Professional#Rifles

HK93s, Sig 540/543s, Sig 551s, Beretta SC70s, Galils, Mini-14s, and M16s. It's almost as if the unit was mostly made up of gun guys who liked imported weapons and were allowed to use personal weapons on duty... in NY of all places.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 1:04:33 AM EST
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So- you have never experienced management wanting the best thing, like a new car, while the troops get the worn out one with 100k miles on it?   Or a perceived “better” gun, etc?

It is almost a fucking perfect way to evaluate a leader in LE.  If they prioritize themselves, they are shitty.  If they prioritize the troops (of their own choosing), they are usually pretty good.  Have seen it many times…
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This.  He spent the entire budget on his rifle and scope.  Everyone else gets the used surplus guns.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 1:18:31 AM EST
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Seems logical, probably much the same reason why they gave the character of Vincent Hanna a Mini-14 in Heat. Or why Karl had a G3 in Die Hard.

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...Did the director / writers just want him to stand out or differentiate himself from the other sheriff deputies?
That's the most likely reason.  It was pretty common for prop houses to have an assortment of guns for this stuff and they would give standout characters more unique looking guns for greater screen presence.


Seems logical, probably much the same reason why they gave the character of Vincent Hanna a Mini-14 in Heat. Or why Karl had a G3 in Die Hard.


Link Posted: 9/12/2024 1:49:10 AM EST
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Classic case of movie BS

Most cops in 1982 usually had a pump shotgun
No rifle

If they had a rifle, it was a 30.30 or a mini14
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 1:55:13 AM EST
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This.  He spent the entire budget on his rifle and scope.  Everyone else gets the used surplus guns.
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So- you have never experienced management wanting the best thing, like a new car, while the troops get the worn out one with 100k miles on it?   Or a perceived “better” gun, etc?

It is almost a fucking perfect way to evaluate a leader in LE.  If they prioritize themselves, they are shitty.  If they prioritize the troops (of their own choosing), they are usually pretty good.  Have seen it many times…

This.  He spent the entire budget on his rifle and scope.  Everyone else gets the used surplus guns.

The irony is I believe in the 1980’s, a Colt SP1 was more expensive than a HK93. Back then ARs were actually more expensive than many imports.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 1:55:24 AM EST
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He was a cop. Ergo, correctly portrayed as the average cop. Also known as, a piece of shit.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 1:57:54 AM EST
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The irony is I believe in the 1980's, a Colt SP1 was more expensive than a HK93. Back then ARs were actually more expensive than many imports.
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Most of the time when I saw them for sale new they were around $700.  By comparison, a new Win 94 was about $150.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 2:00:03 AM EST
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So- you have never experienced management wanting the best thing, like a new car, while the troops get the worn out one with 100k miles on it?   Or a perceived “better” gun, etc?

It is almost a fucking perfect way to evaluate a leader in LE.  If they prioritize themselves, they are shitty.  If they prioritize the troops (of their own choosing), they are usually pretty good.  Have seen it many times…
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Looool. This. Not just a LE thing either.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 2:02:10 AM EST
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a cinematic flex, if you will.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 2:56:52 AM EST
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Sheriff Teasle could 100% play the role of some asshole off GD. Plenty people like him around here.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 3:26:04 AM EST
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The real question is did Teasle have a good supply of body bags?

Link Posted: 9/12/2024 3:35:02 AM EST
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...Did the director / writers just want him to stand out or differentiate himself from the other sheriff deputies?
That's the most likely reason.  It was pretty common for prop houses to have an assortment of guns for this stuff and they would give standout characters more unique looking guns for greater screen presence.


Seems logical, probably much the same reason why they gave the character of Vincent Hanna a Mini-14 in Heat. Or why Karl had a G3 in Die Hard.



Glad someone else noticed that too
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 3:35:06 AM EST
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If it was today it would probably mean that HK only got one product placement deal  I dont think that was such a thing at the time that movie was made.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 5:50:55 AM EST
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I just watched First Blood the other night and wondered the same thing. I presumed it was for the same reason all the cops are wearing bright white hats in the forest as they're hunting Rambo - it's to make them stand out and be more recognizable to the audience.

Saw some of "The Great Raid" the other day and noticed the same thing. Enemy camp commander had these HUGE white shirt collars that stuck out from his uniform. Easy to identify him in the scenes where they were running around in the dark with things exploding.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 5:55:28 AM EST
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Because he is the boss.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:02:07 AM EST
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Did the director/writers just want him to stand out or differentiate himself from the other sheriff deputies?
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This would be my guess. That movie was made before much attention was paid to "tactical" considerations for the sake of realism.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:09:34 AM EST
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First Blood was on Pluto TV tonight so I watched it while I was doing something else.  

Is there a particular reason why Sheriff Teasle used a Heckler & Koch HK93A2 and his deputies used M16s?  Did the director / writers just want him to stand out or differentiate himself from the other sheriff deputies?  Or was there another reason?
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My take on this:

How freaking odd!
The wife hadn’t seen First Blood since it came out, so we watched it last night on Pluto also.
And then it’s mentioned on Arf today.
Que the Twilight Zone theme song

And I wondered why the sheriff had a different gun.
I’m assuming that police departments were getting free M16s from the government in the early 80s.
Anybody know if that’s accurate?
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:17:59 AM EST
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The bigger question is:
Why
Did
They
Edit
In
Those
Stupid
Fake
M-16
Firing
Sounds?

That has irked me for years.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:19:18 AM EST
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Real answer? Because he was the final boss and needed a different gun to separate him from the goons.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:22:54 AM EST
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To show that he was a conceited POS
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:24:29 AM EST
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Because he wanted a rifle that wouldn’t jam …….
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:34:16 AM EST
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It was to show that he was a closeted homosexual.

Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:35:00 AM EST
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Because he’s better than everyone else and he hates you…

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I always wanted to know what gun belt that was. Those Mark Lonsdale books were the $hit back in the day.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:35:31 AM EST
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Fun fact, in the book his deputies had a collection of hunting rifles in various calibers.  Rambo had a moonshiner’s 30-30.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:37:31 AM EST
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Why did he get that sheepskin coat, while all the deputies had to wear stuff from Galls?
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 6:40:32 AM EST
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I always thought the Sheriff's Dept building was pretty nice and big and modern for the way they were trying to portray the place as small and podunk.
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 7:40:24 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/12/2024 7:49:35 AM EST
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That stolen valor alpha hotel
Link Posted: 9/12/2024 7:51:50 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/12/2024 7:57:51 AM EST
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Cause he didn't have a cool knife

Link Posted: 9/12/2024 8:01:36 AM EST
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Yup, we can't have a bunch of po dunk scrubs totin H&Ks.

Link Posted: 9/12/2024 8:05:22 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/12/2024 8:08:17 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/12/2024 8:12:40 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/12/2024 8:13:55 AM EST
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Brian Dennehy was a cool ass mofo. He probably chose it because it’s badass.

I don’t know that. I just liked the dude as an actor.
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