So, the complete elimination of European Jews and Gypsies was a price you were willing to pay for a stalemate that was NEVER going to happen?

You're dealing in bad internet fiction, NOT history.

AND we're still treating that German declaration of war as a "typo".

Women get the shit end of the stick in war.

"We need more women in our ranks to send into combat."  - the U.S. Military.

Look up War Against Humanity. Spartacus Olsen delivers one hell of a message on WW2 atrocities.

I'm sure Mao still holds the record for crimes against women in particular and humanity in general.

What,none of you want to touch how many French,Belgian,Italian,German,Japanese...women Americans raped?

 Unless the offender was black it was unlikely to have any consequence,just how it was.

And American leftists worship him like a deity.

Is there any reliable sources on how many?

Oh, just stop.  .  Are you really Estonian?      Are you upset that we saved you from ze Nazis?

I'd like to see the numbers of soldiers charged by their country for rape, weighed against how many were in theater, and have an honest discussion about that.

Also the Soviets were pretty good at raping their own women, with or without a war.  Look at Beria - they are still digging up the corpses of his rape-murder victims.

1. Rape was never POLICY in the United States military in WWII.
2. Compared to what the Germans, Soviets and Japanese did, rape by U.S. personnel doesn't even amount to a rounding error in their crimes.

He didn't have much choice.  American ships and personnel were engaging in combat against German forces without a declaration.

He had plenty of choice.

The Japanese didn't declare war on the Soviet Union when the Germans invaded the Soviet Union.

Hitler was just a psychopathic dumbass, despite the fantasies of the Wehraboos.

I never said anything about a stalemate. I was talking about was a war of annihilation between two of the worst political regimes in modern history, and the western allies taking a deliberate approach to let it reach a point of acceptable conclusion before moving forward with a knockout blow to both of them. As far as that "never" happening, you should read up more on the politics of the period, because there was serious talk of delaying the "second front" for that very reason. Stalin ended up basically begging the western allies multiple times to intervene in Europe to take the pressure off his side of the conflict, and they finally did so, but there were many who opposed opening up a second front until the Germans and Soviets were spent to exhaustion. Many western European nations were fearful of Soviet advances into Europe, and thousands of people in the occupied countries volunteered for service on the Eastern Front, and even among the British and Americans, there were a number of observers who secretly hoped for a weakening of both the Nazis and the Soviets in the course of the ongoing conflict.

I ain't saying it's necessarily right, or even morally defensible, but there really was more nuance, complexity and double-dealing in the war than the current year historical myopia would suggest.

You really believe they could have managed a complete elimination of various ethnic groups as pressure stepped up on all fronts, supplies and manpower dwindled, public opinion of the war plummeted and the political situation worsened? Now who's talking bad internet fiction?

As a matter of historical fact, Stalin was the one who actually managed to wipe out an entire ethnic group during one of his many campaigns against "fascist traitors to the Motherland," but by all means, let's ignore that and keep glomming onto the low hanging fruit.

I know you like TIK, so you might want to check out his video on the subject.

A friend and neighbor was captured on Corregidor.  He was later shipped to Japan as slave labor.  Until the day he died he hated all things Japanese.   He hated that his daughter drove a Toyota but he drove a Mercedes.  RIP Larry.

 We likely wouldn’t have gotten to the moon without his expertise......especially with the Russians having captured German scientists working on their rocket program

He also worked with a Jewish scientist to develop the Saturn V.......

Doesn't erase the fact he was responsible for designing and building ballistic missiles that are intended for civilian targets.



I don't disagree he was instrumental in our space program, but we made the guy a hero... when he wasn't.

The Soviet Union wasn't engaging in anti-sub warfare against Japanese subs, and Soviet pilots in soviet furnished planes were not flying recon missions against IJN surface units so it isn't really the same thing - is it?

Heroic for his wartime activities? No...........I dont think anyone is arguing that he is. I imagine if the roles were reversed, we might have done the same in developing offensive weapons with that intended purpose......... But his achievements in getting NASA astronauts to space and the Moon are noteworthy and deserve recognition for what they are. Without him and his Jewish co-scientists we would have been very far behind the Soviets and might have never caught up.........

These Jewish scientists seem to have worked with him with no issues......

The German/Jewish collaboration

They were so much better off being occupied by the Soviets..

I guess it depends upon which groups you want murdered...

The Soviets were just engaged in espionage in and against Japan, infiltrating agents into Japanese Manchuria and backing Korean communists.  I'm sure you've never heard of Kim Il Sung, who was a Red Army officer.

But hey, the 8th Air Force bombing of Germany, Torch, and Overlord were NOTHING compared to the U.S. Navy's pre-war activities.

Wehraboos are HILARIOUS.

Got any new information on "Die Glocke"?

He must be a Republican. Liberals use it all the time and between Clinton, Cuomo, Biden & son or Swalwell, all things are possible and allowed. Facebook as he pointed out is very hypocritically inconsistent.

He doesn't want his YouTube videos demonitized or outright removed.

YouTube seems to be tailoring itself to be a platform for developmentally disabled Marxists.

 This is the most Soviet thing I have ever read on Arf.

To be fair in that part of the world I don't think women are the only ones needing to be worried about being raped if captured.

8Th AF got going AFTER declarations of war - yes?  So what in retardation does that have to do with the topic under discussion?

I'll chop it up into little bits for you -

Before ANY declaration of war between the United States and Germany, the U.S. was:

* exchanging 50 destroyers to Great Britian, Germany's enemy, to use to kill German U-boats.
* sending supplies and war material to Great Britain.
* was suppling aircraft, purchased with United States money, built in the U.S., and crewed with U.S. naval personnel (for "training, don't you know ....) to fly combat missions on behalf of Great Britain against Germany.  One such mission led by Ensign Leonard B. “Tuck” Smith of the U.S. Navy found the Bismark  on May 26, 1941,and led to her sinking.
*  was actively engaged in anti-submarine warfare in cooperation with Great Britain and attacking German U-Boats.
*  FDR had ordered U.S. armed forces to shoot German military forces on sight.

You knew all of that - right?

So what you're saying is declaring war on the United States and getting the loving attentions of the 8th Air Force was MUCH better than the low level conflict at sea?  Have you asked anybody who was in Dresden about that?

@dcat

Here is the full 411 pages.

http://www.victimsheroessurvivors.info/VictimsHeroesSurvivors.pdf

Given your last paragraph, I take it that you don't personally know any East Germans or Poles or Hungarians or Czechs that survived and/or escaped Soviet occupation.

Is that any different from Dresden?


Or Tokyo?