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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:14:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s just another pattern. It was in the Scheel’s ad. What is the pattern? |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:16:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You, uh, think this is because of their social responsibility page? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Probably some woke/DEI bullshit they've tried to push on their dealers/distributors if I had to guess. If that's the case, I can't find anything public anywhere. This is on Sitka's website, but it's light on detail beyond the normal platitudes. You, uh, think this is because of their social responsibility page? |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:18:45 PM EST
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:19:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the pattern? I tossed the circular. It’s darker with some bright greens. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:23:06 PM EST
[#5]
Meh, Kuiu are in line with our values, for now.
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:24:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have nothing specific with either of these companies but I know the company I worked for bragged about forcing suppliers and contractors to join them in discriminatory practices based on race and gender. Not saying anything like that happened here but it is a real thing that is propagating throughout corporate "america". Vendor DEI is definitely a thing. Demanding to inspect the racial makeup of your largest customer's workforce is not a thing AFAIK. If it were, I'd have a blowout sale on their crap and then denounce them loudly and proudly as soon as I was done selling the shit off. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:27:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the pattern? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s just another pattern. It was in the Scheel’s ad. What is the pattern?  Attached FileIt’s called cover. Kind of looks like a cross between open country and elevated II with some big green splotches put in there. It’s supposed to be designed for more of a early season hunting pattern when there is still a lot of greenery out  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:27:47 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, Kuiu are in line with our values, for now. SG, Kuiu, Forloh and I still think Firstlite has value. Sitka stuff has sucked for a few years. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:30:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tag, because cheap Sitka gear sounds tempting... but I wanna know what they did first  Cheap Kuiu gear sounds more interesting, but I’ll check it out. Thanks OP. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:32:50 PM EST
[#10]
30% off fucking expensive is still expensive
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:33:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think they're THAT pissed since it's only 30% off. Pissed sure. But the level of the discount alludes to it being a business and not moral issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn euro Optic is pissed I don't think they're THAT pissed since it's only 30% off. Pissed sure. But the level of the discount alludes to it being a business and not moral issue. IDK…that 30% is likely their markup profit. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:33:37 PM EST
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:35:15 PM EST
[#13]
They should bring back the Wall of Shame, and put the full explanation on it like they used to.
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:40:39 PM EST
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Could be as simple as Sitka slashed prices on their own site to make room for new product line and left Europtic holding mounds of older stuff at higher prices, unable to sell it.
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:43:48 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is all of Sitka's gear made in China? I avoid Commies at every opportunity. I thought it was made in Vietnam like a bunch of the other premium brands. John Dudley left Sitka also and is endorsing Origin camo which is made in the USA. Only bad thing is the only camo patterns they have are two versions of a Tiger Stripe type camo. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:49:08 PM EST
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There have been some openings of Sitka brand stores in major cities. No doubt compeating with all of there dealers and if ero optics was the largest. sitka may be trying to fase our some of there dealers... ?? or changing the dealer agreement to less favorable terms
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:55:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There have been some openings of Sitka brand stores in major cities. No doubt compeating with all of there dealers and if ero optics was the largest. sitka may be trying to fase our some of there dealers... ?? or changing the dealer agreement to less favorable terms Arcteryx hung dealers out to dry too with their BS civ sales policy. It’s fucking clothing, not eye burning lasers or whatever. Either way, EO is good people, I’m inclined to side with them. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:59:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SG, Kuiu, Forloh and I still think Firstlite has value. Sitka stuff has sucked for a few years. I have tons of gear from Kuiu, Sitka and Firstlite. Sitka gear is hands down the best imo. From fit, quality etc it’s my favorite. The cost of it has pretty much made me say fuck that and use kuiu and firstlite. Plus those last two have good solids so I can use it for more than just field stuff. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:00:56 PM EST
[#19]
Still too much for me lol
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:03:16 PM EST
[#20]
Anyone have a EO code, see if they stack?
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:04:34 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was made in Vietnam like a bunch of the other premium brands. John Dudley left Sitka also and is endorsing Origin camo which is made in the USA. Only bad thing is the only camo patterns they have are two versions of a Tiger Stripe type camo. Origin is good stuff. I own some of their BJJ GI's and Rash Guards. Not super thrilled about those patterns, but I will definitely buy one of their Hunting Jackets when they introduce new ones. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:16:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have tons of gear from Kuiu, Sitka and Firstlite. Sitka gear is hands down the best imo. From fit, quality etc it’s my favorite. The cost of it has pretty much made me say fuck that and use kuiu and firstlite. Plus those last two have good solids so I can use it for more than just field stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SG, Kuiu, Forloh and I still think Firstlite has value. Sitka stuff has sucked for a few years. I have tons of gear from Kuiu, Sitka and Firstlite. Sitka gear is hands down the best imo. From fit, quality etc it’s my favorite. The cost of it has pretty much made me say fuck that and use kuiu and firstlite. Plus those last two have good solids so I can use it for more than just field stuff. The only thing I liked a lot from Stika was their gloves. I bought Stika gloves, I swear probably in 2012. Those fucking things are still perfect. They’re the only glove I’ve ever found that fits my hand absolutely perfectly. I have an SG pack, Kuiu & Firstlite base layers, mid layers. Outer wear wise, it’s almost all Firstlite because my thighs are too big for Kuiu. I have 3 pairs of Kuiu pants and I have to go up at least 1, if not 2 sizes to get the pants to fit my thighs. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:17:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Origin is good stuff. I own some of their BJJ GI's and Rash Guards. Not super thrilled about those patterns, but I will definitely buy one of their Hunting Jackets when they introduce new ones. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought it was made in Vietnam like a bunch of the other premium brands. John Dudley left Sitka also and is endorsing Origin camo which is made in the USA. Only bad thing is the only camo patterns they have are two versions of a Tiger Stripe type camo. Origin is good stuff. I own some of their BJJ GI's and Rash Guards. Not super thrilled about those patterns, but I will definitely buy one of their Hunting Jackets when they introduce new ones. My origin Hoodie shrunk. I bought an XL. It’s now a very very small Large. I buy hoodies to be loose. Not skin tight. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:17:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think they're THAT pissed since it's only 30% off. Pissed sure. But the level of the discount alludes to it being a business and not moral issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn euro Optic is pissed I don't think they're THAT pissed since it's only 30% off. Pissed sure. But the level of the discount alludes to it being a business and not moral issue. It's ALL business. No need to take a loss to display one's high morality. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:18:54 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing I liked a lot from Stika was their gloves. I bought Stika gloves, I swear probably in 2012. Those fucking things are still perfect. They’re the only glove I’ve ever found that fits my hand absolutely perfectly. I have an SG pack, Kuiu & Firstlite base layers, mid layers. Outer wear wise, it’s almost all Firstlite because my thighs are too big for Kuiu. I have 3 pairs of Kuiu pants and I have to go up at least 1, if not 2 sizes to get the pants to fit my thighs. My kuiu sizes are like two sizes bigger than my firstlite and sitka is right in the middle where most things fit. Kuius sizing must be made for starving runners. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:21:23 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Euro optic probably isn't mad about Gore Tex's sweat shop rules Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Probably some woke/DEI bullshit they've tried to push on their dealers/distributors if I had to guess. If that's the case, I can't find anything public anywhere. This is on Sitka's website, but it's light on detail beyond the normal platitudes. You, uh, think this is because of their social responsibility page? Yeah, I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone could be upset over their social responsibility statement. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:21:39 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: High priced chinese garbage, no love lost here. Umm… Maybe a few more seasons with the gear in unforgiving conditions? |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:26:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Over $500 dollars for a Made in China hunting parka that probably costs $5 to make. LMAO. I gladly pay more, when I can, for items that are made in the US, Canada, or Europe. I refuse to pay more just because a brand puts their name on it. More for you guys I guess. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:32:12 PM EST
[#29]
30% off is still too fucking expensive
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:38:52 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like what? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Over $500 dollars for a Made in China hunting parka that probably costs $5 to make. LMAO. I gladly pay more, when I can, for items that are made in the US, Canada, or Europe. I refuse to pay more just because a brand puts their name on it. More for you guys I guess. My Leupold Mark 5 HD. My Origin BJJ equipment. My Red Wing boots. My Yoder Pellet Smoker. My Ferragamo belts and wallet. It's not always possible (i.e. electronics) but as I said. When I can, I avoid chinesium. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:03:12 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryMeh, looks a lot like their Subalpine to me with some added greenery. Which, I do like more greenery. Wake me when they bring Ground Forest to the U.S. Odd I'm only seeing this on printed materials. Nothing on forums really, except a bit back in March. Nothing on Sitka's website |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:11:45 PM EST
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Seems like when I see messages or statements like that posted it's usually a money and/or integrity issue. EuroOptic has a pretty good reputation so my gut is to lean towards their side. Hopefully more details come out eventually
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:16:11 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My kuiu sizes are like two sizes bigger than my firstlite and sitka is right in the middle where most things fit. Kuius sizing must be made for starving runners. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only thing I liked a lot from Stika was their gloves. I bought Stika gloves, I swear probably in 2012. Those fucking things are still perfect. They’re the only glove I’ve ever found that fits my hand absolutely perfectly. I have an SG pack, Kuiu & Firstlite base layers, mid layers. Outer wear wise, it’s almost all Firstlite because my thighs are too big for Kuiu. I have 3 pairs of Kuiu pants and I have to go up at least 1, if not 2 sizes to get the pants to fit my thighs. My kuiu sizes are like two sizes bigger than my firstlite and sitka is right in the middle where most things fit. Kuius sizing must be made for starving runners. I mostly use Kuiu and love it but their sizing is whack. Weird that a hunting company would size clothes around vegetarian Europeans, or seems to at least. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:18:24 PM EST
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back in 2018 they had a lead salesman who was apparently anti gun according to the interwebs.
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:22:07 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 30% off fucking expensive is still expensive This is kinda what I was thinking |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:22:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone have a EO code, see if they stack? My veterans discount did NOT stack |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:39:07 PM EST
[#37]
Am I seeing this correctly that seems like EuroOptic is butthurt that Sitka chose Scheels to launch the new camo pattern even though EuroOptic is their largest dealer?
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:39:34 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He tended to catch a pie in the face https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/307202/IMG_4095_jpeg-3317025.JPG First thing I thought of when I saw the name. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:55:09 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have tons of gear from Kuiu, Sitka and Firstlite. Sitka gear is hands down the best imo. From fit, quality etc it’s my favorite. The cost of it has pretty much made me say fuck that and use kuiu and firstlite. Plus those last two have good solids so I can use it for more than just field stuff. Same. Firstlite seems cheap and Kuiu fits me horribly. I don't know if I have the weirdest proportions on earth, but an XL in Sitka is a 3XL in Kuiu and I'll have 6" of extra arm length sticking out. It's not just because I'm a heavy boy, because it's also tight around my shoulders/chest/upper arms or thighs/ass. Several of my Kuiu jackets ride up too |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:58:07 PM EST
[#40]
30% is still profit for EO, I would assume.
The outfitter discount is 40% and they regularly send me another 15% off on top of that. I wouldn't pay full price for Sitka, but 50% off does it for me. I love their duck hunting gear, specifically. It's always well thought out (pockets, clips, length, etc) and insulated in the right areas or thin in others. I feel like they actually asked hunters what they wanted, tried it out, and revised as needed. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:59:04 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. Firstlite seems cheap and Kuiu fits me horribly. I don't know if I have the weirdest proportions on earth, but an XL in Sitka is a 3XL in Kuiu and I'll have 6" of extra arm length sticking out. It's not just because I'm a heavy boy, because it's also tight around my shoulders/chest/upper arms or thighs/ass. Several of my Kuiu jackets ride up too That is odd. In most street outerwear I’m a large. In Kuiu and Sitka I’m XL in both. The Kuiu is just bit slimmer than Sitka. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:10:07 PM EST
[#42]
I got my first set of Sitka gear way back in the early 2000's. I have put at least 1k miles on the pants and the 90% jacket. Still going strong 20 years later.
If you think the clothes are expensive, you generally get what you pay for with this stuff. I couldn't imagine 7 days in the Backcountry doing miles on foot in wranglers, so much more comfort and thoughtful designs. Makes life much better |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:16:44 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My kuiu sizes are like two sizes bigger than my firstlite and sitka is right in the middle where most things fit. Kuius sizing must be made for starving runners. I love kuiu and have a ton of kuiu shit. But their sizing is all fucked. I think a lot of it had to do with when they finally starting making size small, and then added shit all the way up to XXL (don't get me started in that ridiculousness) Both pics are two garments of the same productand size. Only difference is one is hooded and the other isn't.   Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:19:40 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mostly use Kuiu and love it but their sizing is whack. Weird that a hunting company would size clothes around vegetarian Europeans, or seems to at least. Quote HistoryQuoted: I mostly use Kuiu and love it but their sizing is whack. Weird that a hunting company would size clothes around vegetarian Europeans, or seems to at least. Kuiu was started as mountain hunting brand for people that wanted high quality alternatives to the mountain hiking clothing available at the time. Of course, the founder also started Sitka in 2005. I think the expectation was that buyers would be very lean folks. Sitka had become a well-known hunting brand. But Hairston yearned to create higher-performance “extreme hunting” apparel for use in the mountains. He became increasingly disenchanted with the retail model Sitka followed. The competitive demands of retail pricing structures stifled his visions of mountain-worthy gear. Before Sitka Kuiu and First Lite there was commercial hunting clothing designed for rednecks in Alabama hunting out of Deer blinds or WWII surplus wool trousers combined with a plaid wool coat for big game hunting in cold regions. The difference in wearing Kuiu while hunting on steep ground is incredible. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:32:36 PM EST
[#45]
What does Sitka make in China? The stuff I have says Vietnam.
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:35:11 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love kuiu and have a ton of kuiu shit. But their sizing is all fucked. I think a lot of it had to do with when they finally starting making size small, and then added shit all the way up to XXL (don't get me started in that ridiculousness) Both pics are two garments of the same productand size. Only difference is one is hooded and the other isn't. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145358/20231115_161825_jpg-3317199.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145358/20221106_145954_jpg-3317201.JPG Wow dude that’s wild. I can’t believe they are so inconsistent in the same item just with a hood. I wish I could get Sitka gear in kuius colors for firstlite cost. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:37:31 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kuiu was started as mountain hunting brand for people that wanted high quality alternatives to the mountain hiking clothing available at the time. Of course, the founder also started Sitka in 2005. I think the expectation was that buyers would be very lean folks. Before Sitka Kuiu and First Lite there was commercial hunting clothing designed for rednecks in Alabama hunting out of Deer blinds or WWII surplus wool trousers combined with a plaid wool coat for big game hunting in cold regions. The difference in wearing Kuiu while hunting on steep ground is incredible. Man back in the day it was arcteryx, north face etc for the long hunts in the mountains. We’re spoiled big time now. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:43:52 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I like EO and I prefer Kuiu anyway. Wasn't impressed with mine, they went a little too crazy on the internal storage pockets, which takes up a lot of useable space. Their range bag is really nice. Quote HistoryQuoted: I like EO and I prefer Kuiu anyway. Eberlestock pack Wasn't impressed with mine, they went a little too crazy on the internal storage pockets, which takes up a lot of useable space. Their range bag is really nice. Kuiu makes FAR better apparel than sitka. Eberlestock packs are a fucking joke. Kuiu packs are just this side of shitty. Exo, SG, or hell even MR packs are not even in the same universe as eberlestock or kuiu |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:52:41 PM EST
[#49]
I've been wanting one of their black Jet Stream jackets for awhile now. This is as cheap as I will ever likely find it so I fent.
I have Sitka stuff and I like it so...plus it's a MT company. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:54:32 PM EST
[#50]
Following this. Hate to see such a fallout for two companies I like.
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