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Posted: 11/14/2023 3:40:35 PM EDT
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Start over
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Posted: 11/14/2023 3:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An apt description. Do you publish a newsletter? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Imagine you have a wood shed. The wood is rotted through and through and no paint job is going to restore structural integrity back to the structure. The only real solution is to tear it down and start over. Slapping good wood onto rotted wood or foundation does not fix the structure. An apt description. Do you publish a newsletter? I don’t but I think I could attract at least one or two subscribers. Bitter clingers one and all. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 3:45:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: I thought about adding a poll but that's just lazy and doesn't provide nuance. There have been a bunch of threads complaining about weak Republican leadership and I keep hearing "burn it all down" as a solution for the problems that people see. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what people mean by that, so I'd like to get people to explain what they mean by that term in the most specific way possible. It could mean anything from "write an angry letter to your congressman" to "I want to see the entire country in flames and blood running in the streets". My interpretation when I see someone post that has always skewed toward that latter since "burn it all down" is sort of an apocalyptic vision. Maybe I'm wrong though. If you offer your definition, I would also like you to think about the end goal you have in mind that the burning down is done. What does the country look like, why does it look like it does after it's all said and done, and what is better about it - that sort of thing. I want to see the country in flames. Burn it all down means completely destroying everything set in place. Burn the whole fucking government to the ground and build something new from scratch. I’ll donate some gasoline. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 3:50:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: I thought about adding a poll but that's just lazy and doesn't provide nuance. There have been a bunch of threads complaining about weak Republican leadership and I keep hearing "burn it all down" as a solution for the problems that people see. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what people mean by that, so I'd like to get people to explain what they mean by that term in the most specific way possible. It could mean anything from "write an angry letter to your congressman" to "I want to see the entire country in flames and blood running in the streets". My interpretation when I see someone post that has always skewed toward that latter since "burn it all down" is sort of an apocalyptic vision. Maybe I'm wrong though. If you offer your definition, I would also like you to think about the end goal you have in mind that the burning down is done. What does the country look like, why does it look like it does after it's all said and done, and what is better about it - that sort of thing. burn it all down are utterances of small minded people living in their parents basement, building ammo forts, finger fucking their glocks and waiting for the sun to go down so that they can go outside and play with their NV. they have no concept of what they are really asking for. which is what happened in my town about 150 years ago when sherman came through and really burned things down and whose soldiers went far and wide scrounging for food from the locals as he had planned his march to the sea so as to not require re-supply from the north. growing up, locals still had tales from their old relatives about how unpleasant the situation was. and following sherman and the end of the 'burn-it-down' period, you had federal troops stationed in the south with enforced reconstruction. this is one example of real 'burn-it-down' and the consequences of such an event. there are others, good examples from africa but there they simply slaughter the loosing side. in western societies, burn it down leads to dictators backed by military forces. bottom line, if you really think 'burn-it-all-down' is a solution you should go study history. things may suck now, but you still have sportsball, the internet, your daily allotment of a 12 pack of beer and the right to get in your car and go shooting somewhere. or do you want an north korean experience for a change of pace? |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 3:56:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Start over like this? 
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Posted: 11/14/2023 4:46:00 PM EDT
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For me, wanting to burn it all down means the Fed selling off all of its $8 trillion portfolio of government bonds and mortgage-backed securities, allowing the free market to reign free once again which means interest rates rising north of 10% in quick fashion causing all the out of touch, asset holding beneficiaries of the last several decades of central bank and govt sponsored socialism to receive a bitchslap from Adam Smith's invisible hand that is so strong it creates generational trauma that causes your great great great grandchildren to run and scream in terror upon hearing the phrase "buy the dip" and to instinctively grab a pitch forks when someone mentions "stimulus"
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Posted: 11/14/2023 4:55:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: burn it all down are utterances of small minded people living in their parents basement, building ammo forts, finger fucking their glocks and waiting for the sun to go down so that they can go outside and play with their NV. they have no concept of what they are really asking for. which is what happened in my town about 150 years ago when sherman came through and really burned things down and whose soldiers went far and wide scrounging for food from the locals as he had planned his march to the sea so as to not require re-supply from the north. growing up, locals still had tales from their old relatives about how unpleasant the situation was. and following sherman and the end of the 'burn-it-down' period, you had federal troops stationed in the south with enforced reconstruction. this is one example of real 'burn-it-down' and the consequences of such an event. there are others, good examples from africa but there they simply slaughter the loosing side. in western societies, burn it down leads to dictators backed by military forces. bottom line, if you really think 'burn-it-all-down' is a solution you should go study history. things may suck now, but you still have sportsball, the internet, your daily allotment of a 12 pack of beer and the right to get in your car and go shooting somewhere. or do you want an north korean experience for a change of pace? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I thought about adding a poll but that's just lazy and doesn't provide nuance. There have been a bunch of threads complaining about weak Republican leadership and I keep hearing "burn it all down" as a solution for the problems that people see. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what people mean by that, so I'd like to get people to explain what they mean by that term in the most specific way possible. It could mean anything from "write an angry letter to your congressman" to "I want to see the entire country in flames and blood running in the streets". My interpretation when I see someone post that has always skewed toward that latter since "burn it all down" is sort of an apocalyptic vision. Maybe I'm wrong though. If you offer your definition, I would also like you to think about the end goal you have in mind that the burning down is done. What does the country look like, why does it look like it does after it's all said and done, and what is better about it - that sort of thing. burn it all down are utterances of small minded people living in their parents basement, building ammo forts, finger fucking their glocks and waiting for the sun to go down so that they can go outside and play with their NV. they have no concept of what they are really asking for. which is what happened in my town about 150 years ago when sherman came through and really burned things down and whose soldiers went far and wide scrounging for food from the locals as he had planned his march to the sea so as to not require re-supply from the north. growing up, locals still had tales from their old relatives about how unpleasant the situation was. and following sherman and the end of the 'burn-it-down' period, you had federal troops stationed in the south with enforced reconstruction. this is one example of real 'burn-it-down' and the consequences of such an event. there are others, good examples from africa but there they simply slaughter the loosing side. in western societies, burn it down leads to dictators backed by military forces. bottom line, if you really think 'burn-it-all-down' is a solution you should go study history. things may suck now, but you still have sportsball, the internet, your daily allotment of a 12 pack of beer and the right to get in your car and go shooting somewhere. or do you want an north korean experience for a change of pace? You know Venezuela is our future, right? That’s the “if it doesn’t burn down” path. How many years of high speed internet, refrigerators full of beer, and sportsball does this mafia run immoral state have left in it? You make the pejorative statement that the burn it down folks are small minded then make an argument designed to appeal for actual small minded people. Maybe you think that’s a compelling argument and worth selling your own children into slavery for. Kick the can down the road, and hope it gets better. Wish in one hand and shit in the other is not a strategy. Here’s the actual score. The left; Owns education primary and secondary Owns most of corporate America Owns the Federal bureaucracy, by about 97% to 2%. Owns the Federal criminal justice system. Owns the intelligence agencies. Owns the tech companies. Owns the news media. Owns about 60% of the GOP. Owns the narrative. Owns your 401k. Owns most large state bureaucracies. Elections won’t fix it. The left is functionally incompetent at everything except capturing power. Eventually though the parasite kills the host. That’s why we now have a million Venezuelan “refugees” in the US and a California diaspora of 3 million that have fled like a plague of locusts to OR, WA, CO, TX, and NM. Eventually their incompetence will burn everything anyway, but not before they blame me and you and everyone else for everything that is wrong so the mob comes for us first. PS I don’t give a shit about sportsball, the internet, or beer. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 5:10:54 PM EDT
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I would consider that phrase to be a ......short way of saying they realize there is no voting our way out of this .
Take the 20 election, for now let’s assume every vote was legit ....that means you’ve got 81 million people who hate America and want the rest of us enslaved . They want total 100% control of every single aspect of your life . These people are either dumber than dirt , which a good portion are, or they’re evil , which another good portion are . I’d say it’s 50/50 , stupid vs evil How do you co exist with that many people who are basically your mortal enemy if you want liberty ? Now imagine if the 20 election was rigged, now you’ve got an entirely rogue set of people that are so protected from consequences that they can rig an election . Either way , voting as a fix is out . Now what ? Ohio is a decently red state for the most part , and there is a zero percent chance that we as a state tell the feds to fuck off . And you’d need 30-40 of them to do it , all at once . That’s never going to happen . Now what ? At some point shit is gonna crash and burn . Hell theyre doing everything in their power to hurry it along . Dems think they can remake us into China . A hundred years of total control by patriots uninterested in power and money might fix it , but that’s not going to happen either . We’re all along for the ride created by idiots and despots . Burn it all down is simply a way to voice frustration at our total lack of control of our destinies . |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 5:27:02 PM EDT
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 Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle - Burger Shack Employee Scene (1/10) | Movieclips |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 5:27:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would consider that phrase to be a ......short way of saying they realize there is no voting our way out of this . Take the 20 election, for now let’s assume every vote was legit ....that means you’ve got 81 million people who hate America and want the rest of us enslaved . They want total 100% control of every single aspect of your life . These people are either dumber than dirt , which a good portion are, or they’re evil , which another good portion are . I’d say it’s 50/50 , stupid vs evil How do you co exist with that many people who are basically your mortal enemy if you want liberty ? Now imagine if the 20 election was rigged, now you’ve got an entirely rogue set of people that are so protected from consequences that they can rig an election . Either way , voting as a fix is out . Now what ? Ohio is a decently red state for the most part , and there is a zero percent chance that we as a state tell the feds to fuck off . And you’d need 30-40 of them to do it , all at once . That’s never going to happen . Now what ? At some point shit is gonna crash and burn . Hell theyre doing everything in their power to hurry it along . Dems think they can remake us into China . A hundred years of total control by patriots uninterested in power and money might fix it , but that’s not going to happen either . We’re all along for the ride created by idiots and despots . Burn it all down is simply a way to voice frustration at our total lack of control of our destinies . Liberty is overrated. You give people small govt and autonomy and you're gonna end up right back here in a couple generations. Stop asking not to be tread upon and start treading back. Big govt is only bad because we've never seen a govt that actually loves us. We'd probably change our tunes if welfare included public ranges, state sponsored training and weekly allotments of 5.56 Socialism for you is good, socialism for people who don't like you is icky and bad. All policies must be viewed through the lens of tribalism. There are no universals, no overarching principles to be blindly adhered to. Only what is good for your group at any particular moment. Some people think that's dishonest. I think its the most honest thing a person can say. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 5:42:08 PM EDT
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End of support for the current version of the US government
a probable collapse of the US government hopefully followed by a return to a Constitutional Republic Many of us recognize our government is no longer legitimate. When you have obvious election interference, people being attacked/killed/disappeared by the government, and worse, NO IMPARTIAL ENFORCEMENT agency to maintain balance, we have a problem. I do not want a lawless no government country. It would be a disaster. But, our current government is also a disaster. I am giving up. I work my ASS off, I miss so much. And I'm probably paying like 65+ percent of my income in some tax. Income, sales, Gas, property etc it's fucking stupid. I would rather fight a local warlord than the government who has opened the border, declared war on me, stolen elections, is draining my savings and my bank account through inflation. We need SOME solution, and since we're not seeing it come from politics, I therefore, hope the entire fucking thing collapses. I don't even care anymore. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 5:54:59 PM EDT
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"burn it all down" is just mental masturbation by nihilistic guys on the internet. Even if we had a hard reset on the country whatever power took over after would more than likely be even more draconian that what we currently have, as they would have learned the lesson that we can burn them down too. America, and the country that was born from our revolution for independence was a fluke, and we are not likely to ever see the same results arise again. If we let it go to shit we've lost our country, and there won't be any turning it around burning or not.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 5:56:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "burn it all down" is just mental masturbation by nihilistic guys on the internet. Even if we had a hard reset on the country whatever power took over after would more than likely be even more draconian that what we currently have, as they would have learned the lesson that we can burn them down too. America, and the country that was born from our revolution for independence was a fluke, and we are not likely to ever see the same results arise again. If we let it go to shit we've lost our country, and there won't be any turning it around burning or not. It's already gone to shit, you can choose between Hitler or Stalin. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 6:02:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe that the vast majority of Americans feel uneasy to various extents. I think that colonial America felt the same way the time the Declaration of Independence was written. Only 3 percent of patriots actually fought. Most were uneasy about the fight for freedom. I suspect if things got hot in our time, it would be the same spectrum of beliefs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/historical/Declaration_of_Independence.htm#:~:text=%2D%2DThat%20to%20secure%20these,Government%2C%20laying%20its%20foundation%20on It's right here before our own very eyes. The men who literally created our government understood what to do and that it would most likely have to be done again from time to time. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Re: consent of the governed. Do you believe you're speaking for the majority of those around you? What if the people who burn it all down are of the opposite side of what you envision? I believe that the vast majority of Americans feel uneasy to various extents. I think that colonial America felt the same way the time the Declaration of Independence was written. Only 3 percent of patriots actually fought. Most were uneasy about the fight for freedom. I suspect if things got hot in our time, it would be the same spectrum of beliefs. The "3%" claim is based on roughly 80k pension/land warrant applications. It doesnt include those that served but didn't file, doesnt include the militias, which based on contemporary records indicated that there were roughly 1.5 - 2x the number of militia troops as Continental Army. The figure doesnt include the US Navy, the State Navy's, the Continental Marines or the 1000's that served as Privateers. Roughly 15 - 25% of the population took up arms. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 6:10:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "burn it all down" is just mental masturbation by nihilistic guys on the internet. Even if we had a hard reset on the country whatever power took over after would more than likely be even more draconian that what we currently have, as they would have learned the lesson that we can burn them down too. America, and the country that was born from our revolution for independence was a fluke, and we are not likely to ever see the same results arise again. If we let it go to shit we've lost our country, and there won't be any turning it around burning or not. Lol, you don’t get it. “How good it is now” will be the good old days in 5 years the way things are going. How good is now is 1/4 the way on a long slide down. You guys are Chavistas in 2002 telling people things really aren’t that bad. Just wait. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 6:13:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's already gone to shit, you can choose between Hitler or Stalin. No they are both dead. And so is the son of a bitch referenced in this clip.  Under the Silver Lake - Elite Scheme Scene Whatever power mad asshole ultimately rises to the top, I expect he will have his own distinct flavour of tyranny. And it will be a he. Women don't usually have the right mindset and skills to rule a tin pot republic. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 6:18:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I almost never use the expression "burn it all down" expression, so... In most cases, I don't think it literally involves fire. I think it usually means letting things collapse on their own. No bailouts. "Burn it down" sounds like an active measure, but it's more often passive. Take Bud Light for example. It's being "burned down" by people doing nothing. This. When I think of burn it down, I think of watching it implode through no effort on my part. I have faith in the American people to prevail over most circumstances if given the chance. They will rebuild, and hopefully next time for the better. We have all seen how quickly Americans come to the aid of those in need after natural disasters. I have hope it will happen again when most necessary. I also have faith in government to eventually run things off the cliff and leave the common man very few choices. If the people will stand together then we get reforms and new ideals. If not, then we will get the other side of the coin. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 6:46:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine you have a wood shed. The wood is rotted through and through and no paint job is going to restore structural integrity back to the structure. The only real solution is to tear it down and start over. Slapping good wood onto rotted wood or foundation does not fix the structure. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 6:50:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, you don’t get it. “How good it is now” will be the good old days in 5 years the way things are going. How good is now is 1/4 the way on a long slide down. You guys are Chavistas in 2002 telling people things really aren’t that bad. Just wait. And you don't get it. The country is already lost, no matter how tough you talk on the internet. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 6:51:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's already gone to shit, you can choose between Hitler or Stalin. Pretty much. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 7:04:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you don't get it. The country is already lost, no matter how tough you talk on the internet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lol, you don’t get it. “How good it is now” will be the good old days in 5 years the way things are going. How good is now is 1/4 the way on a long slide down. You guys are Chavistas in 2002 telling people things really aren’t that bad. Just wait. And you don't get it. The country is already lost, no matter how tough you talk on the internet. Uh, read my posts. That’s exactly my point. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 7:05:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh, read my posts. That’s exactly my point. And you missed the point of mine obviously. If we think it's bad right now, it's only going to get worse, even with the internet patriot wet dream of "burning it all down". |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 7:08:26 PM EDT
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I think of this..
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Posted: 11/14/2023 7:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Start over |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 7:55:36 PM EDT
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Start .over.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 8:03:22 PM EDT
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Smoke all of the weed that you have? What would Willie and Snoop Dog say?
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Posted: 11/14/2023 8:51:17 PM EDT
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It's a real world iteration of "who is John Galt." And it is used for the same expression of feelings in reaction to the same type of cultural deterioration as the characters used it in the book.
It can be said in two distinct contexts. The first is " I recognize that the world as I know it is deteriorating in an accelerating manner. I also know that I personally don't have the right combination of skills to prevent it from happening or even articulate the general feeling of dread because it seems like no one else understands. I recognize that more people are cheering for it than aren't. I don't understand why so many people happily embrace that level of evil. I am unable to explain my sense of unease for this terrible future I see approaching to those who understand and might join me to fix it. So I abbreviate with a simple fuck it or a more loquacious burn it all down." The second is with a wink and a nod that the people in charge are playing with a fire that will likely consume them, those who attach themselves to it, and multiple Innocents that were along for the ride through ignorance or apathy. You can't stop it so the best you can do is to remove yourself and yours from the coming fire as best you can. Hell maybe a miracle will happen and the ship will be righted. But it's best to save your mental energy, resources, and efforts to create a better future for those you care about in the aftermath. It might not work and you might still get consumed, but somebody somewhere shares your value system and wherever that value system exists it will likely flourish. And it's probably enough to know that these groups will be a go even if you weren't lucky enough to be part of it. But also have the confidence that whatever group you're part of will probably have as good of chance as any to maybe build something that was better than this one, even before the rot. This context isnt so much "burn it all down" as "a country boy can survive so you dumbshits go ahead and burn it down." |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 8:53:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2023 8:56:54 PM EDT
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I grew up with kids who fled Serbia/Kosovo as it was “burning down.” Hearing their parents talk I imagine the US if it ever gets to that point will be like Serbia and the Troubles but 10x worse.
I have no desire to have similar stories as such folks. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 8:58:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you missed the point of mine obviously. If we think it's bad right now, it's only going to get worse, even with the internet patriot wet dream of "burning it all down". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Uh, read my posts. That’s exactly my point. And you missed the point of mine obviously. If we think it's bad right now, it's only going to get worse, even with the internet patriot wet dream of "burning it all down". For me it’s not an internet patriot wet dream, we just passed the event horizon some time ago and all paths lead to the singularity. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 8:59:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:02:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to see the country in flames. Burn it all down means completely destroying everything set in place. Burn the whole fucking government to the ground and build something new from scratch. I’ll donate some gasoline. You do realize that ‘new’ thing will very much look quite a bit different than 1792, right? Hint, China will be the model… |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:04:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For me it’s not an internet patriot wet dream, we just passed the event horizon some time ago and all paths lead to the singularity. We are both basically on the same page. I just laugh at the internet bravado of it all. I'm worried the country we used to have may never be again no matter what we do. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that ‘new’ thing will very much look quite a bit different than 1792, right? Hint, China will be the model… Yup, the new one will be more restrictive, they wouldn't want you able to take the gasoline to them too. America got extremely lucky that the founding fathers weren't tyrants wanting complete control of their new empire, because that's most likely what we will end up with after revolution 2.0. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:10:09 PM EDT
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When someone says that’s what they want, it’s a sure sign they’re a fucking moron that doesn’t understand the consequences of what they want.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:12:34 PM EDT
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The latter situation you outlined is fine with me.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:17:15 PM EDT
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“Burn it down” means complain about the system to like minded people and doing absolutely nothing about it, like slaves.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:22:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When someone says that’s what they want, it’s a sure sign they’re a fucking moron that doesn’t understand the consequences of what they want. what they expect...  what they get...  |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:26:37 PM EDT
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In most case, I think people are referring to a specific system or organization when they propose "burn it all down" as a solution. Some of those are engaging in hyperbole, while others truly believe the system or organization is beyond repair. The only solution is to wipe the slate clean ("burn it all down") and start over from scratch.
For an analogy outside of politics, consider an old house. You can renovate an old house if the foundation and structure are sound. However, if there's extensive structural damage, regardless the cause of such damage, the best solution may be to tear down the house and rebuild from scratch. For a historical political example, consider these words: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. I think it's an extremely small minority that embrace the "I want to see the entire country in flames and blood running in the streets" vision you put forth. Not to say a larger minority may be saying it as hyperbole, feeling the system can't be fixed by peaceful means, but realizing a collapsing society may be more comfortable than total societal collapse. Such people may "go Galt" or "turn on, tune in, drop out" or "reject modernity, embrace tradition" or follow some other path rejecting what they see as a broken system. They may be sympathetic to those saying "let it burn" while more concerned about insulating themselves and their loved ones from the flames. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I grew up with kids who fled Serbia/Kosovo as it was “burning down.” Hearing their parents talk I imagine the US if it ever gets to that point will be like Serbia and the Troubles but 10x worse. I have no desire to have similar stories as such folks. Yes, I agree. I attended an Orthodox seminary just north of NYC. Mid-70s-early 80s. I heard similar accounts from students who had either lived under the USSR or who had relatives who had. Our seminary dean's relatives had escaped from Estonia and fled to France before coming to America. He had a subtle anti-communism (he was a friend of Alexandr Solzhenitsyn who visited our school after he moved to Connecticut). In time I saw the growing popularity of socialism in America and came to see the possibility of politicians eventually trashing our freedom and prosperity. I realize that life is wonderful given that we have the internet, a still-functional economy, food to eat and sports on TV. I just don't think any of that will matter if we become the Soviet Union Part Two. Hope my kids and their kids never have to see that. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:39:39 PM EDT
[#41]
This was such unimaginative trolling.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:45:55 PM EDT
[#42]
i think it already did burn down
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:48:13 PM EDT
[#43]
With regards to congress, for me it means throw them all out and start over with all new senators and representatives who have never met one another and never held public office before.
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:52:42 PM EDT
[#44]
Destroy the federal govt symbols and enablers, fire every deep state person and bar them from public service for ever, and hang every tyrant politician in your local town square.
Start over with the constitution. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 9:53:32 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With regards to congress, for me it means throw them all out and start over with all new senators and representatives who have never met one another and never held public office before. You realize that the new batch will also consist of many politicians elected by people who strongly disagree with you and I, and we're right back in the same position. 
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:31:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Burn it all down works if you're under a monarchy or some other single party control.
Standing back and saying "Burn it all down" pretty much means you're tearing down your building because the foundation is rotten. But the problem is that your house isn't the only one on the block. The second you tear anything down, you have a land developer/builder with the exact opposite views that will quickly scoop up more land. So by the time you've leveled your house for the rebuild, you're left with 10% of the original property you started with because your competition capitalized during your rebuilding process. You'll have a brand new house and foundation but at what cost? Like trying to rebuild a sports team mid-season. By the time your rebuilding process is finished, you're now 30 games back and have no chance of catching up. In politics, there isn't "next season" where everyone resets back to 0-0 again, it's just one long season. All this infighting does is give more wins for the Democrats. It makes us look ineffectual with no cohesion. We can't agree on a single thing and Democrats are capitalizing on it by pushing the "Republicans are just a mess that can't agree on anything" narrative. Like I said in a different thread, Democrats are playing the "Republican have no unit cohesion" card and have won most recent battles. Just don't think the people wanting "burn it all down" understand the consequences. |
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Posted: 11/14/2023 10:37:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: I thought about adding a poll but that's just lazy and doesn't provide nuance. There have been a bunch of threads complaining about weak Republican leadership and I keep hearing "burn it all down" as a solution for the problems that people see. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what people mean by that, so I'd like to get people to explain what they mean by that term in the most specific way possible. It could mean anything from "write an angry letter to your congressman" to "I want to see the entire country in flames and blood running in the streets". My interpretation when I see someone post that has always skewed toward that latter since "burn it all down" is sort of an apocalyptic vision. Maybe I'm wrong though. If you offer your definition, I would also like you to think about the end goal you have in mind that the burning down is done. What does the country look like, why does it look like it does after it's all said and done, and what is better about it - that sort of thing. @zhukov Whenever I hear that phrase, I think of the far leftist types who were cheering the BLM riots of 2020. Heard them spouting that crap whenever pictures of burned out buildings went up in social media. When I hear it from the right, I still think of the overweight purple haired nose ring class. Just childish on the right instead of childish on the left. But that’s me. |
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:20:18 AM EDT
[#48]
So the way I see things.. we are in the midst of cultural and moral collapse, coupled with demographic and ideological replacement. The idea with accelerationism is to hasten the evenetual collapse and deal with it now, rather than after all the above factors are more entrenched
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:28:35 AM EDT
[#49]
Start from scratch.
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Posted: 11/15/2023 12:36:14 AM EDT
[#50]
Let the inevitable happen, but accelerate it. Its coming anyway. Lets get it over with and see where things go after. It if happens incrementally the reaction will too late as people will be comfortable. Accelerate it and many will be shocked into taking appropriate action.
Burn it all down |
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