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Posted: 10/3/2022 12:57:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2022 12:57:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are anecdotal stories of 6.5x55 FMJ penetrating through trees better than 30-06 AP. Doubtful |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 12:59:32 PM EDT
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The answer is always 762 millimeter, full metal jacket.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:00:32 PM EDT
[#4]
Tree oh ate
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:01:29 PM EDT
[#5]
you want the thinnest bullet possible, so it lessens your chance of actually hitting a tree.
so somthing like .204 ruger is what you want out of a 5.56 platform. 
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:01:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: I would suppose this is normal for quite a bit of Europe. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/03/10/63048433-11274353-image-a-14_1664789830178.jpg If it's wooded conditions similar to that picture... 5.56. Doesn't look like much brush or low level branches and the 5.56 is going to have better penetration through the trees. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think x39 might be a better choice than 5.56 or 5.45 for penetration through those trees. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:07:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you believe it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are anecdotal stories of 6.5x55 FMJ penetrating through trees better than 30-06 AP. Yes. Since some penetration properties on trees are related to SD and 6.5x55 is greater than 30-06. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:08:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubtful Which one has the higher velocity and less surface area? |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:13:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Since some penetration properties on trees are related to SD and 6.5x55 is greater than 30-06. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:19:01 PM EDT
[#11]
9mm if you can get a lung shot.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:28:39 PM EDT
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Bullet construction is more important than which round you use. AP anything will go through most trees you're likely to encounter.
84mm HE is still the best choice though. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:31:33 PM EDT
[#13]
Something in the 50 kt range.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:33:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think x39 might be a better choice than 5.56 or 5.45 for penetration through those trees. I don't think you are necessarily looking to shoot through trees. To some extent yes but what you want is a lot of mass to maintain momentum after they hit and enough energy to keep trucking while not fragging the projectile immediately upon impact with a tree. I'd actually think something like a shotgun slug would just keep bouncing off trees for a bit. To that end ak may have an edge over nato rounds but then accurately hitting your target and not a tree probably gives the advantage to nato. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:10:43 PM EDT
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The gun you have training and ammo for.
Small detail that most of GD fails on. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:15:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 30.06 Worked pretty good in the Ardennes. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:16:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7.62 'Merican, 155 and 30 Mike death rain 155 is the correct answer. It will turn the trees themselves into deadly weapons. Artillery is king. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:20:45 PM EDT
[#18]
I’d probably grab my Galil ACE in 308 for that sort of terrain
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:21:44 PM EDT
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338-404 Wapiti Express in a control feed action
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:31:30 PM EDT
[#20]
7.62x51
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:34:02 PM EDT
[#21]
155mm?
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:36:34 PM EDT
[#22]
.XXX Caliber and Thermal
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:36:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.8 spc Seconded.. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:37:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know a 7.62x39 will go slam through pretty decent sizes trees. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:41:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you believe it? I saw video where 5.45 did better then 7.62x39 and 308. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:47:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Given two bullets are made of the same metal it's all crosssectional density and velocity. Basically the longer the bullet is the more it's going to penetrate. X39 is both not as long as 5.45 and slower therefore less penetration. I don't think it's that simple. Hatcher reported on tests of 30-06 ball on oak. At about 16' it penetrated about 16", but at 200 yards it penetrated 40" (IIRC). At the shorter distance it had a curve path, not so at 200. I think yaw plays into it, but also too much velocity might reduce penetration. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:27:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20mm Out of an M163 Vulcan (sp) of course. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:34:30 PM EDT
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.308 didn't make it, x39,5.45,5.56 did.
 Rifle Penetration Test  Rifle Penetration Test: Is A Tree Cover Or Concealment? 7.62x39, 223, 7.62x54r, 12ga, etc...(HD) x39 penetrated 1 out of 3, 54r penetrated 3 out of 3. 5.56 and 5.45 didn't penetrate. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 4:48:30 PM EDT
[#29]
.30-30
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Posted: 10/4/2022 4:51:27 PM EDT
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W-88
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Posted: 10/4/2022 5:16:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shoot your target, not the trees  Not a tree-hugger |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 5:25:33 PM EDT
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We've penetrated 16" green spruce with 230 grain 300rum, when 285 grain barnes in 375H&H wouldn't...
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Posted: 10/4/2022 5:59:37 PM EDT
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MICLIC
cvs receipt of doom |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:05:33 PM EDT
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anything you can lob over the top of the trees or detonate beside them and get the guys hiding behind them...
Quad copters dropping grenades could work... |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:13:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm gonna say 60mm or M67 frag. Wonder if a 40mm round would have enough force to lodge itself in a tree and detonate there or if it'd bounce off and possibly come back at you... Use it like a mortar |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:16:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Artillery. Yep Interlocking fields of pre-registered fire from firebases 105mm and 4.2 (four duece) mortars quick reaction gun ships jets loaded with napalm rockets loaded with fleshettes Got more enemy KIAs then the M-16 imo |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:18:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:23:31 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think x39 might be a better choice than 5.56 or 5.45 for penetration through those trees. No no, that's much too heavy for the elite commandos on here. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:26:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .30-30 Quintessential woods cartridge. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No no, that's much too heavy for the elite commandos on here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would think x39 might be a better choice than 5.56 or 5.45 for penetration through those trees. No no, that's much too heavy for the elite commandos on here. Well, we've all heard the story of Paul Bunyon and his trusty 5.7x28. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:28:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2022 6:31:07 PM EDT
[#42]
.277 Firemuffin aka 6.8 Remington SPC
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:03:29 PM EDT
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35 Remington.
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:06:13 PM EDT
[#44]
One you can hit things with.
Heavier calibers like 7.62 will penetrate some cover, but a rifle you can shoot well trumps anything else in my book. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:20:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:26:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 35 Remington. Now we talkin........ 
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:49:10 PM EDT
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7.62x51 belted or similiar weapon.
We use to take down trees with the M60. Focused fire and the weapons are essentially chainsaws. |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 7:52:30 PM EDT
[#48]
.308, preferably FAL with steel core/AP
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Posted: 10/4/2022 8:00:03 PM EDT
[#49]
Small frame?
Maybe 300Ham'r |
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Posted: 10/4/2022 8:25:59 PM EDT
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