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Posted: 4/18/2023 8:04:48 PM EDT
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You guys screaming about the cultural and regional appropriateness of door knocking etiquette, realize this is a moot point, right? The outer door was locked.
According to his statement, he opened the inner door and observed someone pulling on the outer door (how forcefully we can only guess). This happened likely way past any hour he would expect someone to come calling. Whether or not the kid was planning to knock is beside the point. I'm not saying he did everything right. But appearance doctrine should cover him in this. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 8:05:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat’s rich coming from the party that continues to fan the flames to keep racial division a hot topic. Starting with Barry O. the media and Democratic party has done nothing but create messes just like this by one sided reporting and pushing their agenda. Shit wasn’t like this for a long time, they have enabled and encouraged it and are the real guilty bastards. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 8:07:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good for the kid. He deserves it. I don’t feel much sympathy for the home owner. Not only has he made gun owners and America look bad, but his actions are what fuel support for gun control. I don’t think so. Even if this old guy was 100% in the right, the reaction from these idiots would be identical to what it is right now. We’ve seen it plenty of times. They don’t give a shit about facts, all they care about is the emotional argument. Even “middle of the road” people will go right along with it because they don’t want to be seen as racist for asking questions. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 8:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Opening a storm door to knock on the main door of the house after no response to a pressed doorbell is an everyday, normal, and legal occurrence. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 8:22:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to his statement, he opened the inner door and observed someone pulling on the outer door (how forcefully we can only guess). This happened likely way past any hour he would expect someone to come calling. Whether or not the kid was planning to knock is beside the point. I'm not saying he did everything right. But appearance doctrine should cover him in this. And, I can see the homeowner thinking he was trying to force entry. Sad and all... but a crime? |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 8:25:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Screen doors are usually so flimsy that if you knock on them people inside won’t hear it. Some storm doors may be more substantial. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If the jury believes that the shooter was afraid for his life - which will hinge on believing the shooter's statement that the stranger was tugging on the outer door handle - there is a chance he'll be found innocent. If that happens, multiple cities are going to see some nasty rioting. Trying to open the glass door(not forcefully, mind you) doesn't make it an attempted burglary. He rang the door bell, then, like any normal person, probably tried the glass door to knock on the main door. This is a sad situation all around. I wouldn't say that's normal here in KS. Ring the doorbell if there is one. Unless the house belongs to a friend or family member I wouldn't open the screen door to knock on the door. I'd knock on it before I start screwing w/ a stranger's door in the middle of the night. Screen doors are usually so flimsy that if you knock on them people inside won’t hear it. Some storm doors may be more substantial. Yup. Not uncommon in my AO, to open the screen door to knock on the closed front door (and before I added the bolded NO SOLICITING sign, for annoyances to be holding the screen door open with their bodies, knocking on my front door, trying to push whatever crap they're pushing). Also not uncommon (depending on the house, and front door) to not be able to hear if the doorbell is actually ringing/working. If possible, having both a Ring type video doorbell, AND a 2nd security camera covering the door, is a really good measure. The Ring doorbell allows you to converse with someone, without needing to open the door. Makes it convenient to tell someone, "You're at the wrong house. No such person(s) here. Now, please leave the premises". Also eliminates idiots shooting you because they can't read/doublecheck a goddamned address, and you answered the door, armed. The secondary camera (which should be placed out of easy reach) allows you to view the door, in the event some asshat covers/blocks the Ring camera. I keep mine visible, behind a security film protected window, with a hedge making it inconvenient to get to. If both cameras are covered; in Minecraft, maybe covering the door with M20 APIT, might be in order. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 8:43:34 PM EDT
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Two quotes just on the KC local news (TV)
1: From KC Mayor Quinton Lucas: “This boy was shot because he was existing while Black,” Lucas said. 2: From Gwen Grant, head of the KC Urban League I don't see any evidence that this man has shot anyone other than a black person for ringing his doorbell, so clearly, that is a hate motivated crime. It seems like they're really trying to amp up the masses in the hopes of some Floyd-style riots |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 8:49:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys screaming about the cultural and regional appropriateness of door knocking etiquette, realize this is a moot point, right? The outer door was locked. According to his statement, he opened the inner door and observed someone pulling on the outer door (how forcefully we can only guess). This happened likely way past any hour he would expect someone to come calling. Whether or not the kid was planning to knock is beside the point. I'm not saying he did everything right. But appearance doctrine should cover him in this. appearance doctrine would only cover the homeowner if the homeowners actions are believed to be "reasonable". What GD deems reasonable isnt exactly what 99% of the rest of the country finds reasonable. (fabricated statistic, sample size of one) |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: appearance doctrine would only cover the homeowner if the homeowners actions are believed to be "reasonable". What GD deems reasonable isnt exactly what 99% of the rest of the country finds reasonable. (fabricated statistic, sample size of one) I never said he wasn't going to be crucified for this, I said Missouri law SHOULD cover him in this. The appearance doctrine, especially when combined with the attempted unlawful entry stipulation, stated in the law. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:27:00 PM EDT
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85 year old white man in Northern KC (I believe in Liberty, MO) shot a black teen to came to his door. The kids mother said she sent her son to pick up his twin brother and went to the incorrect address. The old man had sign posted 'No Solicitors' and he allegedly shot the kid for knocking or ringing the door bell.
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:28:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The good gal with a gun that stopped a pervert in my daughter's shop in north KC last week won't be reported. The arresting officer told her it was okay to shoot the pervert. That was probably bad advice as it was still excess force. Sounds like a good shoot. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:29:07 PM EDT
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^ never reads past the OP
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:29:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Not uncommon in my AO, to open the screen door to knock on the closed front door (and before I added the bolded NO SOLICITING sign, for annoyances to be holding the screen door open with their bodies, knocking on my front door, trying to push whatever crap they're pushing). Also not uncommon (depending on the house, and front door) to not be able to hear if the doorbell is actually ringing/working. If possible, having both a Ring type video doorbell, AND a 2nd security camera covering the door, is a really good measure. The Ring doorbell allows you to converse with someone, without needing to open the door. Makes it convenient to tell someone, "You're at the wrong house. No such person(s) here. Now, please leave the premises". Also eliminates idiots shooting you because they can't read/doublecheck a goddamned address, and you answered the door, armed. The secondary camera (which should be placed out of easy reach) allows you to view the door, in the event some asshat covers/blocks the Ring camera. I keep mine visible, behind a security film protected window, with a hedge making it inconvenient to get to. If both cameras are covered; in Minecraft, maybe covering the door with M20 APIT, might be in order. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If the jury believes that the shooter was afraid for his life - which will hinge on believing the shooter's statement that the stranger was tugging on the outer door handle - there is a chance he'll be found innocent. If that happens, multiple cities are going to see some nasty rioting. Trying to open the glass door(not forcefully, mind you) doesn't make it an attempted burglary. He rang the door bell, then, like any normal person, probably tried the glass door to knock on the main door. This is a sad situation all around. I wouldn't say that's normal here in KS. Ring the doorbell if there is one. Unless the house belongs to a friend or family member I wouldn't open the screen door to knock on the door. I'd knock on it before I start screwing w/ a stranger's door in the middle of the night. Screen doors are usually so flimsy that if you knock on them people inside won’t hear it. Some storm doors may be more substantial. Yup. Not uncommon in my AO, to open the screen door to knock on the closed front door (and before I added the bolded NO SOLICITING sign, for annoyances to be holding the screen door open with their bodies, knocking on my front door, trying to push whatever crap they're pushing). Also not uncommon (depending on the house, and front door) to not be able to hear if the doorbell is actually ringing/working. If possible, having both a Ring type video doorbell, AND a 2nd security camera covering the door, is a really good measure. The Ring doorbell allows you to converse with someone, without needing to open the door. Makes it convenient to tell someone, "You're at the wrong house. No such person(s) here. Now, please leave the premises". Also eliminates idiots shooting you because they can't read/doublecheck a goddamned address, and you answered the door, armed. The secondary camera (which should be placed out of easy reach) allows you to view the door, in the event some asshat covers/blocks the Ring camera. I keep mine visible, behind a security film protected window, with a hedge making it inconvenient to get to. If both cameras are covered; in Minecraft, maybe covering the door with M20 APIT, might be in order.
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This happened a few blocks from my house. By all accounts, the kid is a good kid. He goes to the same high school as my oldest son. It’s a very good school, probably one of the more affluent in the area. There was a big “rally” down the street. Hundreds of people showed up. The social media posts stated they were protesting because they were tired of all these “white men shooting black kids”. Katanji Brown-Jackson's niece lives in the area. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:33:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Common here in NC Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I grew up in a house with a screen door, in a neighborhood of houses with screen doors. Opening it to knock wasn't common at all. I never did it, and to the best of my recollection, no one knocking at our door ever did it. Perhaps it's a regional thing? Common here in NC |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:34:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two quotes just on the KC local news (TV) 1: From KC Mayor Quinton Lucas: 2: From Gwen Grant, head of the KC Urban League It seems like they're really trying to amp up the masses in the hopes of some Floyd-style riots Lucas and the entire black apparatus in KCMO is corrupt and absolute filth. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:36:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 85 year old white man in Northern KC (I believe in Liberty, MO) shot a black teen to came to his door. The kids mother said she sent her son to pick up his twin brother and went to the incorrect address. The old man had sign posted 'No Solicitors' and he allegedly shot the kid for knocking or ringing the door bell. Was not in Liberty. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:40:53 PM EDT
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Why even answer the door at night in the first place?
If you ring my door bell at night and I don't recognize you on the camera I am not opening the door. If you don't eventually leave, I'm calling the police. The only time I am shooting anyone is if they attempt to enter my house after breaking down the door or a window. Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of people here think it’s smart to answer the door after dark with a gun in hand. Holster are expensive or something. I’m amazed more delivery drivers are not murdered |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:54:38 PM EDT
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I have family that's close to friends of the kid's. I'll say that based on the information I have on both the kid and the circumstances here I find it very difficult to believe the kid was out to force his way into random old people's homes. He goes to a pretty upscale school, he's active in band (you know serious thug shit). He's friends with some of the administration's kids and he's described to us as a high achieving student. Can't claim to know that with certainty, but not sure the people involved would lie about it. So I'm sorry, but I don't think this is going to pan out as a he was trying to force the door open screaming in hoodese to "gives me my brother".
The man opened the inner door and fired at him through the screen door, then walked outside and tried to give him an anchor shot (ETA: this is disputed but he was shot twice, one grazed the forehead the other in the arm). This sucks and I think unfortunately the reasons are going to be not so far off the narrative. I think this guy is going to be convicted and bring the race hustlers running to capitalize. That and a kid that seems like an overall good kid nearly took a head shot to boot by being blasted through the door. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:55:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lucas and the entire black apparatus in KCMO is corrupt and absolute filth. Yes they are. And they have now been handed a golden goose. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 10:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like a good shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The good gal with a gun that stopped a pervert in my daughter's shop in north KC last week won't be reported. The arresting officer told her it was okay to shoot the pervert. That was probably bad advice as it was still excess force. Sounds like a good shoot. Not until the pervert elevates his action beyond choking his own chicken. If he shows up in that neighborhood or around that store again a couple of husbands should fix his social failing. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 10:09:37 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes they are. And they have now been handed a golden goose. Ah yes, the KC Blacktivist. Sharp dressers, every one. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 10:17:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't have details. But is the boy a hero now?https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/562719/IMG_5680_jpeg-2787765.JPG |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 12:27:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ringing the doorbell is the lefts new "jogging". Obviously, there's more to the story. Still think they'll find the guy guilty though. what makes it obvious there is more to the story? |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 1:20:38 AM EDT
[#25]
Is it riot season already?
You fuckers are WAY early. It just snowed the other day, and I don't even have my Juneteenth decorations up yet. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 1:32:38 AM EDT
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Crazy reading the probable cause report. The shooter/homeowner used an antique S&W top-break revolver chambered in .32 S&W.
I have one myself. .32 S&W is an anemic powder puff of a round from the black powder era.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 2:05:15 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: what makes it obvious there is more to the story? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ringing the doorbell is the lefts new "jogging". Obviously, there's more to the story. Still think they'll find the guy guilty though. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 2:12:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The allegations the kid was trying to open the screen door and startled the old man is what's more to the story. That doesn't make it right, but it's far from just ringing the doorbell. If this guy is 84, how many previous cases did this occur when someone just rang his doorbell? 100's by now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ringing the doorbell is the lefts new "jogging". Obviously, there's more to the story. Still think they'll find the guy guilty though. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 2:19:50 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is normal to open a screen door to knock on the front door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ringing the doorbell is the lefts new "jogging". Obviously, there's more to the story. Still think they'll find the guy guilty though. It’s normal here. Especially if you know the people who live there. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 2:23:52 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is normal to open a screen door to knock on the front door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ringing the doorbell is the lefts new "jogging". Obviously, there's more to the story. Still think they'll find the guy guilty though. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 2:34:22 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is normal to open a screen door to knock on the front door. It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 2:42:05 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is normal to open a screen door to knock on the front door. It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Well you would still likely to able to wait for them to try and break in the door before you shoot. Especially if you have a good door. I feel bad for both sides here, as it doesn't sound like the old man had ill intent he was scared and I understand why but it sounds like probably a bad shoot. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 4:07:54 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well you would still likely to able to wait for them to try and break in the door before you shoot. Especially if you have a good door. I feel bad for both sides here, as it doesn't sound like the old man had ill intent he was scared and I understand why but it sounds like probably a bad shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It is normal to open a screen door to knock on the front door. It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Well you would still likely to able to wait for them to try and break in the door before you shoot. Especially if you have a good door. I feel bad for both sides here, as it doesn't sound like the old man had ill intent he was scared and I understand why but it sounds like probably a bad shoot. I see police shoot people or escalate force to levels that could result in grave harm fairly regularly because of “furtive movement” towards what could be a weapon. I don’t know what happened. I’m not saying that a “furtive movement” was made. I’m saying that if you think a person is trying to kill you it’s a bad idea to consider a pane of door glass a protective barrier between a victim and an attacker. It’s not. Pretty much any handgun round will easily penetrate glass. All the kid had to do was have a hand in his pocket digging for his phone to call his parents or brother while trying to get inside the house. Or what looked like trying to get in. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 4:11:35 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Some of us can choose the knocking scenario and not end up a dead man, cause some us arent stupid enough to answer the door for someone we dont know in the middle of the night. If its suspicious enough to arm yourself, its suspicious enough to keep the door closed and say "who is it?".  I dont get why the "dont open the door" option is such a foreign concept. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 4:15:09 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is normal to open a screen door to knock on the front door. It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. If the kid thought he was at the right place and tried knocking on the door to announce he's there to pick up his brother. How is he bad or at fault? As for the old man, if he fucked up thinking the kid was attempting to break in and he is able to clearly explain that he had a legitimate fear for his life since he's an 80+ year old dude and thoughthe was going to be the victimof a burglary. It sucks too because he now has to deal with the end result of his actions. This literally could be a case of both sides were simply at the wrong place at the wrong time and neither party was bad. Life just made shit happen and sometimes, people get wrapped up in the shit. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 4:15:54 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of us can choose the knocking scenario and not end up a dead man, cause some us arent stupid enough to answer the door for someone we dont know in the middle of the night. If its suspicious enough to arm yourself, its suspicious enough to keep the door closed and say "who is it?". I dont get why the "dont open the door" option is such a foreign concept. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Some of us can choose the knocking scenario and not end up a dead man, cause some us arent stupid enough to answer the door for someone we dont know in the middle of the night. If its suspicious enough to arm yourself, its suspicious enough to keep the door closed and say "who is it?". I dont get why the "dont open the door" option is such a foreign concept. Carrying a firearm in your home and answering the door are not unreasonable acts. No more unreasonable than opening a screen door to knock. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 4:16:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of us can choose the knocking scenario and not end up a dead man, cause some us arent stupid enough to answer the door for someone we dont know in the middle of the night. If its suspicious enough to arm yourself, its suspicious enough to keep the door closed and say "who is it?". I dont get why the "dont open the door" option is such a foreign concept. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Some of us can choose the knocking scenario and not end up a dead man, cause some us arent stupid enough to answer the door for someone we dont know in the middle of the night. If its suspicious enough to arm yourself, its suspicious enough to keep the door closed and say "who is it?". I dont get why the "dont open the door" option is such a foreign concept. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 4:17:10 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Carrying a firearm in your home and answering the door are not unreasonable acts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Some of us can choose the knocking scenario and not end up a dead man, cause some us arent stupid enough to answer the door for someone we dont know in the middle of the night. If its suspicious enough to arm yourself, its suspicious enough to keep the door closed and say "who is it?". I dont get why the "dont open the door" option is such a foreign concept. Carrying a firearm in your home and answering the door are not unreasonable acts. This sounds like a case of two people simply got fucked over by the random shit lottery that is the universe. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 4:20:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, they're not. This sounds like a case of two people simply got fucked over by the random shit lottery that is the universe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Some of us can choose the knocking scenario and not end up a dead man, cause some us arent stupid enough to answer the door for someone we dont know in the middle of the night. If its suspicious enough to arm yourself, its suspicious enough to keep the door closed and say "who is it?". I dont get why the "dont open the door" option is such a foreign concept. Carrying a firearm in your home and answering the door are not unreasonable acts. This sounds like a case of two people simply got fucked over by the random shit lottery that is the universe. Yup. Shit lottery. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 5:11:04 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Peep holes and Ring cameras exist for a reason.  |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 5:51:49 AM EDT
[#41]
The statement from the old man, contradicts 90% of the narrative. There was no anchor shot, or don't come back here again.
No words exchanged He immediately called 911 and expressed concerns for the victim. https://twitter.com/MattFlenerKMBC/status/1648094746055778305?t=GR_VN5uwuJRyZsiYUzP2ag&s=19
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Posted: 4/19/2023 6:12:39 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The statement from the old man, contradicts 90% of the narrative. There was no anchor shot, or don't come back here again. No words exchanged He immediately called 911 and expressed concerns for the victim. https://twitter.com/MattFlenerKMBC/status/1648094746055778305?t=GR_VN5uwuJRyZsiYUzP2ag&s=19
I was waiting for "more". If that's it...well. Bad shoot. A normal country populated with a healthy body politik should be able to file this under "shit happens", punish the wrong doer, aid the victim and move on. Instead we all need to tie it into the threads of our own narratives in order to push a culture war ever onward. I'll caveat and say I can expect the right to accept the truth of the matter more readily than the left. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 7:43:38 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t have details. But is the boy a hero now?https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/562719/IMG_5680_jpeg-2787765.JPG Pandering to the highest level |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 7:43:38 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don’t have details. But is the boy a hero now?https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/562719/IMG_5680_jpeg-2787765.JPG Pandering to the highest level |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 7:45:50 AM EDT
[#45]
A few years back, my wife and I were watching TV in our room and had the lights out in the front of the house. I was heading down the hallway toward the kitchen when I heard a knock on the front door. By the time I reached the living room I heard the storm door open and the front doorknob rattle.
I went over, flipped on the light and opened the front door. By that time the storm door had closed again. As I opened the door I saw a black "teen" (definitely NOT indigenous to my neighborhood) carrying one of those blue totes full of overpriced junk food scurrying away across the lawn. I opened the storm door and yelled after him "You looking for something?" He mumbled something back and kept walking away. We reported it to the cops and called several of our neighbors to let them know. No comment on whether or not I may have had a handgun on me at the time. I have no doubt that the sweet little child thought that nobody was home and was hoping to make a quick score. The kid in K.C. may have been innocent, but they all aren't. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 8:13:35 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is normal to open a screen door to knock on the front door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ringing the doorbell is the lefts new "jogging". Obviously, there's more to the story. Still think they'll find the guy guilty though. Someone walks up to my house at 10 o'clock at night, and tries opening my door, that is cause for concern... and I'm not an 80 year-old man. I'm not saying the kid did anything wrong, but if he was trying to open the door, I can see how it could be interpreted by the old man as "trying to get in". Could have been a perfectly honest mistake, but the bottom line is, the old man belonged there, the kid didn't. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 8:24:05 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, they're not. This sounds like a case of two people simply got fucked over by the random shit lottery that is the universe. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It doesn't matter if it's normal or not, to open a screen door and knock. How did it look to the old man? Did it look like the kid was pulling on the door to knock, or did it look like he was pulling on the door to break in? You get stirred out of bed, tired, at a late hour for an old man, open the door to see someone pulling on the screen door. Can you tell what their intentions are? Remember if you choose the knocking scenario, and you're wrong, you're probably a dead man, because time isn't on your side. Some of us can choose the knocking scenario and not end up a dead man, cause some us arent stupid enough to answer the door for someone we dont know in the middle of the night. If its suspicious enough to arm yourself, its suspicious enough to keep the door closed and say "who is it?". I dont get why the "dont open the door" option is such a foreign concept. Carrying a firearm in your home and answering the door are not unreasonable acts. This sounds like a case of two people simply got fucked over by the random shit lottery that is the universe. Pretty much what it sounds like. 
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Posted: 4/19/2023 8:48:35 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct, they're not. This sounds like a case of two people simply got fucked over by the random shit lottery that is the universe. I have family that lives up there. Your 'random shit lottery' fits their description. It's after dark, a random person is shaking a door or doors, old man believes its a break in and he pops off a couple rounds. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 8:57:17 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well you would still likely to able to wait for them to try and break in the door before you shoot. Especially if you have a good door. What's a good door? |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 8:58:11 AM EDT
[#50]
Here's the elephant so to speak. The old man was 85. I know some 85 year olds that still have it. Most 85 year olds do not. unrighteous shoot. This guy will likely die first before a sentence is handed down.
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