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Posted: 5/22/2023 1:55:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Natural conservatives!  |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:08:11 PM EDT
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The effect is exactly what one would expect, by just applying common sense:
https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=35594 Over the last two decades, as economists began using big datasets and modern computing power to reveal the sources of national prosperity, their statistical results kept pointing toward the power of culture to drive the wealth of nations. In The Culture Transplant, Garett Jones documents the cultural foundations of cross-country income differences, showing that immigrants import cultural attitudes from their homelands—toward saving, toward trust, and toward the role of government—that persist for decades, and likely for centuries, in their new national homes. Full assimilation in a generation or two, Jones reports, is a myth. And the cultural traits migrants bring to their new homes have enduring effects upon a nation's economic potential. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:10:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen these "natural conservatives" among my inlaws. They vote for big government. The supposed social conservatism tends to get shoved aside. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The effect is exactly what one would expect, by just applying common sense: https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=35594 Quote HistoryQuoted: The effect is exactly what one would expect, by just applying common sense: https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=35594 Over the last two decades, as economists began using big datasets and modern computing power to reveal the sources of national prosperity, their statistical results kept pointing toward the power of culture to drive the wealth of nations. In The Culture Transplant, Garett Jones documents the cultural foundations of cross-country income differences, showing that immigrants import cultural attitudes from their homelands—toward saving, toward trust, and toward the role of government—that persist for decades, and likely for centuries, in their new national homes. Full assimilation in a generation or two, Jones reports, is a myth. And the cultural traits migrants bring to their new homes have enduring effects upon a nation's economic potential. Today, some people honestly seem to believe that when 3rd World immigrants come here, they're going to behave... like Westerners, like Europeans. They cannot, for the life of them, explain why this is going to happen... yet they believe it nonetheless. Some people... are going to be very, very disappointed. (I actually just started reading that book.) Quoted: Quoted: Yes, the Republican chamber of commerce talking points are getting a workout. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:13:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time a thread like this crops up, I'm always a little surprised at how naive some people are. It's no wonder we're in the shape we're in, considering what some of you seem to believe. I thinks it's more intentional, than naiveté No matter how much evidence is marshalled, it's the same arguments from the same people. I can't argue someone out of liking their neighbors (and don't want to), but they still argue supply and demand doesn't apply to labor markets, America can absorb unlimited immigration and in fact we need more because demographics, etc. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:15:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The damage was irreversible decades ago. That's true, but it pales compared to what is coming. CA has been cemented as a leftist state by changing demographics. Prop 187 passed less than 30 years ago, no way it would pass now. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:19:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thinks it's more intentional, than naiveté No matter how much evidence is marshalled, it's the same arguments from the same people. I can't argue someone out of liking their neighbors (and don't want to), but they still argue supply and demand doesn't apply to labor markets, America can absorb unlimited immigration and in fact we need more because demographics, etc. There has been persistent long term pro-immigration propaganda, and also long term anti-American propaganda (Zinn's book came out in 1980). The latter causes people to hate America and want to fundamentally change it, they want immigration to have negative effects. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen these "natural conservatives" among my inlaws. They vote for big government. The supposed social conservatism tends to get shoved aside. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've seen these "natural conservatives" among my inlaws. They vote for big government. The supposed social conservatism tends to get shoved aside. My area has been a democrat stronghold at the federal, state, and local level for as long as I can remember. If you don’t vote democrat, then you’re a Tio Thomas. The local politicians have to run as democrats or independents if they want any chance of success. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:26:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My area has been a democrat stronghold at the federal, state, and local level for as long as I can remember. If you don’t vote democrat, then you’re a Tio Thomas. The local politicians have to run as democrats or independents if they want any chance of success. Rule of law is a cultural construct. And most cultures are not rule of law cultures, but rule of man. None of the people entering our country illegally are from rule of law cultures. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:29:32 PM EDT
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A lot easier to take the people out of the shit hole than to take the shit hole out of the people,they will do the same shit here that they did back home
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:32:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do think general quality of life will be like when there are a billion people in the United States? What do you think Liberty will be like under the pressure of that urban sprawl and in the presence of a majority population that isn't culturally connected to Enlightenment ideals? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I slip 'em CINCO for a few flowers and then I'm straight ORO with my lady when I get home. You are 100% turned around on this. We want them to come here and do hard work, fix stuff, and build things. This gives us more time to code. The only people I know who do not think this is great, predictably, are the people who deliver food or Amazon... or drive Uber for career. What do think general quality of life will be like when there are a billion people in the United States? What do you think Liberty will be like under the pressure of that urban sprawl and in the presence of a majority population that isn't culturally connected to Enlightenment ideals? We will be India. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:33:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, if they’re all that, the places they came from must be clean,safe, with little corruption and overflowing with industrious activity of all sorts? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Life in the United States will continue to get BETTER and BETTER. I'll even say "Gracias" and leave a nice tip- not even at a Mexican restaurant. Do you even know about Latinos? They are, in large part, conservative, smart, hardworking, religious, and friendly- specifically the ones that make the trek. So, if they’re all that, the places they came from must be clean,safe, with little corruption and overflowing with industrious activity of all sorts? Exactly. We are blessed they are bringing their superior culture here. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:33:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No pixie dust- that's really the way it is, in the real world. You should turn off OAN and come join us, in America. Why couldn’t they do all this wonderful shit in their own country, instead of coming here illegally? Seems like all those industrious, hard working amigos would have their own paradise, in their own country. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:49:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why couldn’t they do all this wonderful shit in their own country, instead of coming here illegally? Seems like all those industrious, hard working amigos would have their own paradise, in their own country. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No pixie dust- that's really the way it is, in the real world. You should turn off OAN and come join us, in America. Why couldn’t they do all this wonderful shit in their own country, instead of coming here illegally? Seems like all those industrious, hard working amigos would have their own paradise, in their own country. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 2:52:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't feed the troll. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No pixie dust- that's really the way it is, in the real world. You should turn off OAN and come join us, in America. Why couldn’t they do all this wonderful shit in their own country, instead of coming here illegally? Seems like all those industrious, hard working amigos would have their own paradise, in their own country. And I’ve been faithful about doing it! Thanks, I should have known better. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 3:34:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen these "natural conservatives" among my inlaws. They vote for big government. The supposed social conservatism tends to get shoved aside. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've seen these "natural conservatives" among my inlaws. They vote for big government. The supposed social conservatism tends to get shoved aside. Did you ever ask why? I have. The question is “why do strongly religious, anti abortion, pro gun, anti taxation, hard working people vote Democrat?” The answer is because they treat us like people instead of animals or otherwise less than human. Republicans don’t. People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 3:38:56 PM EDT
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Move deep into the country side folks.
If you're still living in a suburban area or Heaven forbid in urban one you should have your head examined at this point. People thought I was insane for moving out to the country side and accepting a 45 minute commute to work, but I'll tell you the peace of mind is worth the cost in gas and my time. We have a nice little downtown and the police do NOT allow people to beg on our streets or loiter. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 3:39:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you ever ask why? I have. The question is “why do strongly religious, anti abortion, pro gun, anti taxation, hard working people vote Democrat?” The answer is because they treat us like people instead of animals or otherwise less than human. Republicans don’t. People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen these "natural conservatives" among my inlaws. They vote for big government. The supposed social conservatism tends to get shoved aside. Did you ever ask why? I have. The question is “why do strongly religious, anti abortion, pro gun, anti taxation, hard working people vote Democrat?” The answer is because they treat us like people instead of animals or otherwise less than human. Republicans don’t. People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 3:49:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Racism, of course! It's always racism. So, what explains Central and South America's love affair with Marxism, when there are no racist Republicans to blame? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen these "natural conservatives" among my inlaws. They vote for big government. The supposed social conservatism tends to get shoved aside. Did you ever ask why? I have. The question is “why do strongly religious, anti abortion, pro gun, anti taxation, hard working people vote Democrat?” The answer is because they treat us like people instead of animals or otherwise less than human. Republicans don’t. People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. Oh, I don’t think it’s racism. The Democrats are using them, but they pretend to be nice and welcoming while doing it. Again, it’s not about what you do, it’s about how you make people feel. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 3:51:11 PM EDT
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No thanks
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Posted: 5/22/2023 3:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you ever ask why? I have. The question is “why do strongly religious, anti abortion, pro gun, anti taxation, hard working people vote Democrat?” The answer is because they treat us like people instead of animals or otherwise less than human. Republicans don’t. People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. They are not anti taxation or pro gun. Your question distorts reality. They think Democrats “are the good ones “ because Democrats support welfare. They believe government is supposed to make people’s lives better. They are inherently big government supporters. It took me 30 years to convert my wife to being pro gun. And about 20 to get her to be Republican. And she was more prone to conversion than most. My BiL, by contrast, is a “democratic socialist “ who at one point was involved in the porn industry. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 3:54:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, I don’t think it’s racism. The Democrats are using them, but they pretend to be nice and welcoming while doing it. Again, it’s not about what you do, it’s about how you make people feel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen these "natural conservatives" among my inlaws. They vote for big government. The supposed social conservatism tends to get shoved aside. Did you ever ask why? I have. The question is “why do strongly religious, anti abortion, pro gun, anti taxation, hard working people vote Democrat?” The answer is because they treat us like people instead of animals or otherwise less than human. Republicans don’t. People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. Oh, I don’t think it’s racism. The Democrats are using them, but they pretend to be nice and welcoming while doing it. Again, it’s not about what you do, it’s about how you make people feel. Translating: Democrats promise free shit, and Republicans don’t. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 3:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are not anti taxation or pro gun. Your question distorts reality. They think Democrats “are the good ones “ because Democrats support welfare. They believe government is supposed to make people’s lives better. They are inherently big government supporters. It took me 30 years to convert my wife to being pro gun. And about 20 to get her to be Republican. And she was more prone to conversion than most. My BiL, by contrast, is a “democratic socialist “ who at one point was involved in the porn industry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did you ever ask why? I have. The question is “why do strongly religious, anti abortion, pro gun, anti taxation, hard working people vote Democrat?” The answer is because they treat us like people instead of animals or otherwise less than human. Republicans don’t. People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. They are not anti taxation or pro gun. Your question distorts reality. They think Democrats “are the good ones “ because Democrats support welfare. They believe government is supposed to make people’s lives better. They are inherently big government supporters. It took me 30 years to convert my wife to being pro gun. And about 20 to get her to be Republican. And she was more prone to conversion than most. My BiL, by contrast, is a “democratic socialist “ who at one point was involved in the porn industry. Your experience is different than mine. I’ve built fence with illegal aliens, and worked with them pouring concrete for a living. The ones I worked with loved guns. They were here to work and earn money. They stayed as far away from the tax and welfare system as possible. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 3:57:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you ever ask why? I have. The question is “why do strongly religious, anti abortion, pro gun, anti taxation, hard working people vote Democrat?” The answer is because they treat us like people instead of animals or otherwise less than human. Republicans don’t. People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen these "natural conservatives" among my inlaws. They vote for big government. The supposed social conservatism tends to get shoved aside. Did you ever ask why? I have. The question is “why do strongly religious, anti abortion, pro gun, anti taxation, hard working people vote Democrat?” The answer is because they treat us like people instead of animals or otherwise less than human. Republicans don’t. People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. Horseshit. It is for the freebies. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:02:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, I don’t think it’s racism. The Democrats are using them, but they pretend to be nice and welcoming while doing it. Again, it’s not about what you do, it’s about how you make people feel. They are very alert to any potential slights and have an insecurity related to being a minority and also the failures of their nation of origin. Realistically there is no way to enforce border controls without insulting them. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:05:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are very alert to any potential slights and have an insecurity related to being a minority and also the failures of their nation of origin. Realistically there is no way to enforce border controls without insulting them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh, I don’t think it’s racism. The Democrats are using them, but they pretend to be nice and welcoming while doing it. Again, it’s not about what you do, it’s about how you make people feel. They are very alert to any potential slights and have an insecurity related to being a minority and also the failures of their nation of origin. Realistically there is no way to enforce border controls without insulting them. I can see that. But we don’t seem to be enforcing border controls. So if they are coming in anyway, it makes sense to sell as many of them on the Republican Party as possible. Or else lock it down, which hasn’t happened. The worst of both worlds is to let them in, and drive them into the Democrat’s arms. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:09:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your experience is different than mine. I’ve built fence with illegal aliens, and worked with them pouring concrete for a living. The ones I worked with loved guns. They were here to work and earn money. They stayed as far away from the tax and welfare system as possible. The males often like guns but usually support gun control. But others don’t like guns at all. The females usually don’t like guns. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:18:32 PM EDT
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The elephant in the room here is the declining US birth rate. Capitalism only works with growth. You can’t “get both” capitalism and a shrinking population.
So what is worse? Communism/socialism or immigration? I’d say communism/socialism is worse. And so if we accept that immigration is necessary to sustain population growth, then we may as well own it and manage it to allow the immigrants that we want in. That means the conservative ones that value work ethic, etc. There are ways to do this. Zero benefits or welfare for non citizens, non permanent residents, etc.to start with. Deportation if you don’t have a job. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:20:15 PM EDT
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There are a bunch of aqua fruit stands around here all of a sudden . Street corn and fruit in cups
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:23:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I laugh at all the natural conservative, hard worker, bullshit people fall for. These people come from cultures where sub 90 IQs are the norm. WE DO NOT benefit by taking them in. 
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:24:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot more than that- plus we will upskill them when they get here. You can't do that with young Americans- the majority are stuck on their phones playing with some app that turns you into a rabbit, or the Candy Crush. One of my other favorite things is when they move into the most rotten neighborhood in your city, get together after work with the amigos and some work lights and cervezas, and pull an all -nighter rocking out a job on the house one of them just bought. The sun comes up- and the locals are PISSED. They've been living in shit for decades, watching trash blow around in the yard of a house that was never going to sell, and these people made it look brand new in ONE NIGHT. Monday rolls around and there's a little girl with ribbons in her hair waiting for the School Bus... guarded over by a little boy with a haircut who's not sagging his ass and looking every local dirtbag right in the eye. That's America- and if that's something that upsets you, then you need to go for a long run or walk, and think about what kind of shit got into your head... and how to fix yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many skilled people are in the millions coming over the border , a hundred ? A lot more than that- plus we will upskill them when they get here. You can't do that with young Americans- the majority are stuck on their phones playing with some app that turns you into a rabbit, or the Candy Crush. One of my other favorite things is when they move into the most rotten neighborhood in your city, get together after work with the amigos and some work lights and cervezas, and pull an all -nighter rocking out a job on the house one of them just bought. The sun comes up- and the locals are PISSED. They've been living in shit for decades, watching trash blow around in the yard of a house that was never going to sell, and these people made it look brand new in ONE NIGHT. Monday rolls around and there's a little girl with ribbons in her hair waiting for the School Bus... guarded over by a little boy with a haircut who's not sagging his ass and looking every local dirtbag right in the eye. That's America- and if that's something that upsets you, then you need to go for a long run or walk, and think about what kind of shit got into your head... and how to fix yourself. Can’t upskill people when you run out of money. They cannot sustain themselves. They will vote for policies that will cause the very things they fled. Best for them to take the free skills/education they got and rebuild their home country. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You really meant FOX NEWS right No, FOX NEWS is Fair and Balanced. They report- you decide. One America News (OAN) is totally fake. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can see that. But we don’t seem to be enforcing border controls. So if they are coming in anyway, it makes sense to sell as many of them on the Republican Party as possible. Or else lock it down, which hasn’t happened. The worst of both worlds is to let them in, and drive them into the Democrat’s arms. Can't out pander Democrats. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:34:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The elephant in the room here is the declining US birth rate. Capitalism only works with growth. You can’t “get both” capitalism and a shrinking population. So what is worse? Communism/socialism or immigration? I’d say communism/socialism is worse. And so if we accept that immigration is necessary to sustain population growth, then we may as well own it and manage it to allow the immigrants that we want in. That means the conservative ones that value work ethic, etc. There are ways to do this. Zero benefits or welfare for non citizens, non permanent residents, etc.to start with. Deportation if you don’t have a job. It isn't clear to me why shrinking populations harms capitalism. It means social security will crash. I think markets will do fine. Immigration = socialism or banana republic. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:37:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why couldn’t they do all this wonderful shit in their own country, instead of coming here illegally? Seems like all those industrious, hard working amigos would have their own paradise, in their own country. Are you asking me to explain why America is the land of opportunity, and the only global superpower? Like... not bringing the Russia-Ukraine stuff in here, but... you guys do realize that this country of ours is the greatest civilization that has ever existed... right? There are powerful forces both pushing and pulling- and the pull comes from hard work that needs to get done. Lastly, I'd like to remind you that gov is weak, and not in control of our lives. We are in control of our lives, and we do whatever we want- when gov registers a problem with what we are doing, there are courts. Gov can't turn off the illegals or the drugs any more than they can the guns if they want to.... because they are weak. A broken and unworkable system isn't one that "begs abuse" as is often said... it doesn't get abused, it gets ignored. We should be handing out green cards and guest worker visas for labor and trades like CRAZY... and none for tech (zero). Make it easier to comply than to not comply. Right now, it is difficult to fully comply- and even Melania was an illegal alien at one time. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can't out pander Democrats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can see that. But we don’t seem to be enforcing border controls. So if they are coming in anyway, it makes sense to sell as many of them on the Republican Party as possible. Or else lock it down, which hasn’t happened. The worst of both worlds is to let them in, and drive them into the Democrat’s arms. Can't out pander Democrats. I don’t believe pandering is necessary. The “American Dream” has brought immigrants to America for as long as we have been a country. Even before the phrase “American Dream” was coined. It’s this vision, and not free shit that wins hearts and minds. GD will disagree, but history tells us otherwise. Welfare for immigrants did not even exist in the historical periods in which immigration was heaviest. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:39:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The elephant in the room here is the declining US birth rate. Capitalism only works with growth. You can’t “get both” capitalism and a shrinking population. So what is worse? Communism/socialism or immigration? I’d say communism/socialism is worse. And so if we accept that immigration is necessary to sustain population growth, then we may as well own it and manage it to allow the immigrants that we want in. That means the conservative ones that value work ethic, etc. There are ways to do this. Zero benefits or welfare for non citizens, non permanent residents, etc.to start with. Deportation if you don’t have a job. It’s not communism/socialism or immigration. It’s get both. These people come from communist/socialist countries and demand cradle to grave government management of their lives. How much of that declining US birth rate is because government actively discourages citizens from having children through its fiscal and social policies? Maybe we can try not taxing the fuck out of productive citizens to subsidize freeloaders and see where that takes us? Naw, that’s crazy talk. Better we convert the country into north Mexico and think happy thoughts. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:40:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do think general quality of life will be like when there are a billion people in the United States? What do you think Liberty will be like under the pressure of that urban sprawl and in the presence of a majority population that isn't culturally connected to Enlightenment ideals? America died when we permitted a corrupt pos to be the puppet for obamas 3rd term. get up or get over it. convince me I won't be marching alone and we'll fuckin take our country back from communism. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:44:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you asking me to explain why America is the land of opportunity, and the only global superpower? Like... not bringing the Russia-Ukraine stuff in here, but... you guys do realize that this country of ours is the greatest civilization that has ever existed... right? There are powerful forces both pushing and pulling- and the pull comes from hard work that needs to get done. Lastly, I'd like to remind you that gov is weak, and not in control of our lives. We are in control of our lives, and we do whatever we want- when gov registers a problem with what we are doing, there are courts. Gov can't turn off the illegals or the drugs any more than they can the guns if they want to.... because they are weak. A broken and unworkable system isn't one that "begs abuse" as is often said... it doesn't get abused, it gets ignored. We should be handing out green cards and guest worker visas for labor and trades like CRAZY... and none for tech (zero). Make it easier to comply than to not comply. Right now, it is difficult to fully comply- and even Melania was an illegal alien at one time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why couldn’t they do all this wonderful shit in their own country, instead of coming here illegally? Seems like all those industrious, hard working amigos would have their own paradise, in their own country. Are you asking me to explain why America is the land of opportunity, and the only global superpower? Like... not bringing the Russia-Ukraine stuff in here, but... you guys do realize that this country of ours is the greatest civilization that has ever existed... right? There are powerful forces both pushing and pulling- and the pull comes from hard work that needs to get done. Lastly, I'd like to remind you that gov is weak, and not in control of our lives. We are in control of our lives, and we do whatever we want- when gov registers a problem with what we are doing, there are courts. Gov can't turn off the illegals or the drugs any more than they can the guns if they want to.... because they are weak. A broken and unworkable system isn't one that "begs abuse" as is often said... it doesn't get abused, it gets ignored. We should be handing out green cards and guest worker visas for labor and trades like CRAZY... and none for tech (zero). Make it easier to comply than to not comply. Right now, it is difficult to fully comply- and even Melania was an illegal alien at one time. 
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:47:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t believe pandering is necessary. The “American Dream” has brought immigrants to America for as long as we have been a country. Even before the phrase “American Dream” was coined. It’s this vision, and not free shit that wins hearts and minds. GD will disagree, but history tells us otherwise. Welfare for immigrants did not even exist in the historical periods in which immigration was heaviest. It's heaviest now:  Also, the lack of welfare for earlier immigrants pushed them towards assimilation, something we no longer do. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll throw in that he doesn't understand why America was successful. It wasn't any "nation of immigrants" bullshit. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 4:58:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t believe pandering is necessary. The “American Dream” has brought immigrants to America for as long as we have been a country. Even before the phrase “American Dream” was coined. It’s this vision, and not free shit that wins hearts and minds. GD will disagree, but history tells us otherwise. Welfare for immigrants did not even exist in the historical periods in which immigration was heaviest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can see that. But we don’t seem to be enforcing border controls. So if they are coming in anyway, it makes sense to sell as many of them on the Republican Party as possible. Or else lock it down, which hasn’t happened. The worst of both worlds is to let them in, and drive them into the Democrat’s arms. Can't out pander Democrats. I don’t believe pandering is necessary. The “American Dream” has brought immigrants to America for as long as we have been a country. Even before the phrase “American Dream” was coined. It’s this vision, and not free shit that wins hearts and minds. GD will disagree, but history tells us otherwise. Welfare for immigrants did not even exist in the historical periods in which immigration was heaviest. Ah yes, the magic dirt argument. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 5:00:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll throw in that he doesn't understand why America was successful. It wasn't any "nation of immigrants" bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll throw in that he doesn't understand why America was successful. It wasn't any "nation of immigrants" bullshit. The “government is weak” bs was a real laugh. Homeboy should start printing Glock switches and selling them, then get back to us about how weak government is. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 5:00:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are working and hustling…more than I can say for most Feral US urban dwellers. That''s exactly right. Urban blacks are in for a world of hurt…on a lot of levels. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 5:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll throw in that he doesn't understand why America was successful. It wasn't any "nation of immigrants" bullshit. If it wasn't the immigrants who came to this country and made it great through hard work social mobility over successive generations... your assertion is then that it was the Indians?? |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 5:52:02 PM EDT
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I think one of the things people overlook is the amount of money sent out of the U.S. every year by the invaders. Something like $74,577 million in 2021. How many zero's is that? Money removed from our economy. Remittance Statistics
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Posted: 5/22/2023 5:54:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Shades of Mexico City https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/05/NYPICHPDPICT000011400951.jpg?resize=1024,683&quality=75&strip=all https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/05/NYPICHPDPICT000011253681.jpg?resize=1024,683&quality=75&strip=all https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/05/NYPICHPDPICT000011253695.jpg?resize=1024,683&quality=75&strip=all https://nypost.com/2023/05/20/migrants-with-babies-selling-mangoes-on-dangerous-nyc-roads/ Uh oh. These mexican panhandlers now taking the jobs Americans DO want to do. World War Tres |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 6:45:52 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t believe pandering is necessary. The “American Dream” has brought immigrants to America for as long as we have been a country. Even before the phrase “American Dream” was coined. It’s this vision, and not free shit that wins hearts and minds. GD will disagree, but history tells us otherwise. Welfare for immigrants did not even exist in the historical periods in which immigration was heaviest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can see that. But we don’t seem to be enforcing border controls. So if they are coming in anyway, it makes sense to sell as many of them on the Republican Party as possible. Or else lock it down, which hasn’t happened. The worst of both worlds is to let them in, and drive them into the Democrat’s arms. Can't out pander Democrats. I don’t believe pandering is necessary. The “American Dream” has brought immigrants to America for as long as we have been a country. Even before the phrase “American Dream” was coined. It’s this vision, and not free shit that wins hearts and minds. GD will disagree, but history tells us otherwise. Welfare for immigrants did not even exist in the historical periods in which immigration was heaviest. This is what everyone pushing the "America was made by immigrants" bullshit either forgets or ignores. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 7:17:07 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah yes, the magic dirt argument. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can see that. But we don’t seem to be enforcing border controls. So if they are coming in anyway, it makes sense to sell as many of them on the Republican Party as possible. Or else lock it down, which hasn’t happened. The worst of both worlds is to let them in, and drive them into the Democrat’s arms. Can't out pander Democrats. I don’t believe pandering is necessary. The “American Dream” has brought immigrants to America for as long as we have been a country. Even before the phrase “American Dream” was coined. It’s this vision, and not free shit that wins hearts and minds. GD will disagree, but history tells us otherwise. Welfare for immigrants did not even exist in the historical periods in which immigration was heaviest. Ah yes, the magic dirt argument. Not at all. The attraction of the American Dream has nothing to do with dirt. |
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Posted: 5/22/2023 7:18:54 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two entirely different countries, two entirely different classes of immigrant. In the real world though, we know that it is the same country- the United States of America- and that it is the same "class," unless you have a different definition of the word? I have an old Silver Dollar on the shelf right here from when my family came over- someone used it to pay a toll when the Whitestone Bridge was brand new. They knew that Silver dollars minted before 1935 were 90% silver content, and so long as the till worked out with the count, they would swap in a dollar when they came across one. That's all they could do- take tolls on a bridge and choke on exhaust. Each successive generation did better- and today we are mostly doing quite well, thanks be to God. That's... exactly how the American dream works. Oh, and I think you meant something entirely different from "class" didn't you? |
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