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Posted: 11/24/2021 11:42:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the 9mm Parabellum, try the Hornady 115 grain XTP together with 6.7 grains of Power Pistol. The cartridge overall length is 1.075". From a 5 inch barrel you will see close to 1300 fps. This is a maximum load so use this data with discretion. I've found this load to be quite devastating; a hot loaded XTP is a pretty good bet. |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 12:20:14 AM EDT
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.356 TSW is just 9mm Major, but with a slightly longer case so it cant be dropped into weak/old 9x19 handguns.
I'd just get a strong 9x19 pistol, some Shell Shock 9x19 cases, and load 9mm +p+/major/.356 TSW loads. Same performance, lower cost. Shell Shock cases can last ~10x firing of +p+ 124gr @ 1290fps from a G19, and cost less then starline brass.  Shell Shock 9mm Casings +P+ Torture Test Probably a G34 with a compensator and fully supported barrel would be a good choice, in terms of maximizing velocity and a affordable and durable pistol. Basically this gun, but using the more contemporary MOS optic mount; a threaded G34 barrel should put you at around 6" of barrel length for maximum, 17L velocities.  https://americanhandgunner.com/discover/whats-9-major/ 9mm Major from a 4.6" Glock w/ Comp 
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Posted: 11/25/2021 5:59:00 AM EDT
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Jesus Christ people
 From OP’s original post and just a bit further down the first page:Quoted: I’d be handloading from the start so factory ammo availability and cost are irrelevant, but new or once fired brass being unobtainable would make it a nonstarter. I’d also like to stay with the 9mm sized case head for compatibility with my Dillon 650 reloading bits. Quoted: Looks like some clarification is in order. Not looking for a hot 9x19 factory ammo or projectile recommendations for self defense, but for advice on an entirely different, bigger/faster, cartridge which still uses .355-.356” projectiles. I’d like it to use the same 9mm case head, so I can just swap in a barrel and maybe recoil spring on a 9mm 1911 or G17, or at least be able to use the 9mm 1911 or G17 frame with a couple lug and play slide/barrel/recoil spring combo. To summarize: - NOT a hot loaded 9x19 or 9mm Major - NOT 357 Sig - Something the same overall length as 9x19 (meaning no 38 Super, no 9x21, etc) to fit into an unmodified G17 sized frame - OP specifically stated he will be handloading in his first post The reading comprehension/conversational relevance on this site is utterly infuriating sometimes |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 6:14:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus Christ people From OP’s original post and just a bit further down the first page:To summarize: - NOT a hot loaded 9x19 or 9mm Major - NOT 357 Sig - Something the same overall length as 9x19 (meaning no 38 Super, no 9x21, etc) to fit into an unmodified G17 sized frame - OP specifically stated he will be handloading in his first post The reading comprehension/conversational relevance on this site is utterly infuriating sometimes Many answers have been given. There is a reason people keep making the same recommendations and (at least some of it) isn't due to a lack of comprehension. |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 8:19:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus Christ people From OP’s original post and just a bit further down the first page:To summarize: - NOT a hot loaded 9x19 or 9mm Major - NOT 357 Sig - Something the same overall length as 9x19 (meaning no 38 Super, no 9x21, etc) to fit into an unmodified G17 sized frame - OP specifically stated he will be handloading in his first post The reading comprehension/conversational relevance on this site is utterly infuriating sometimes Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus Christ people From OP’s original post and just a bit further down the first page:Quoted: I’d be handloading from the start so factory ammo availability and cost are irrelevant, but new or once fired brass being unobtainable would make it a nonstarter. I’d also like to stay with the 9mm sized case head for compatibility with my Dillon 650 reloading bits. Quoted: Looks like some clarification is in order. Not looking for a hot 9x19 factory ammo or projectile recommendations for self defense, but for advice on an entirely different, bigger/faster, cartridge which still uses .355-.356” projectiles. I’d like it to use the same 9mm case head, so I can just swap in a barrel and maybe recoil spring on a 9mm 1911 or G17, or at least be able to use the 9mm 1911 or G17 frame with a couple lug and play slide/barrel/recoil spring combo. To summarize: - NOT a hot loaded 9x19 or 9mm Major - NOT 357 Sig - Something the same overall length as 9x19 (meaning no 38 Super, no 9x21, etc) to fit into an unmodified G17 sized frame - OP specifically stated he will be handloading in his first post The reading comprehension/conversational relevance on this site is utterly infuriating sometimes Re-read what you quoted there...I'll wait. Re-read it again, just so you can be sure of what you quoted, and then what you said. Now that you've re-read it: ...so., 38 Super, Super Comp, 9x23, etc. I don't see OAL of 9mm in a single thing you quoted. Case head size, 38 Super's rim is a little wider but on most 9mm breechfaces, it won't matter. You do know what a case head is....right? |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 8:47:46 AM EDT
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Many thanks to all who’ve added info, either from personal experience or published elsewhere.
I think the plan is to buy a threaded G34 barrel from SiCo, source an aftermarket RMR cut G34 slide, and a 21lb recoil spring for a P80 frame I have sitting naked. Will either have the barrel recut for 960Rowland or run 9 Major loads. Any recommendations for a 1/2x28 threaded comp? Looking at Rainier and Glock Store and there are certainly tons of options, but which are actually effective and which are just something a dude with a CNC banged out because he thought it looked cool? |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 10:26:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus Christ people From OP’s original post and just a bit further down the first page:To summarize: - NOT a hot loaded 9x19 or 9mm Major - NOT 357 Sig - Something the same overall length as 9x19 (meaning no 38 Super, no 9x21, etc) to fit into an unmodified G17 sized frame - OP specifically stated he will be handloading in his first post The reading comprehension/conversational relevance on this site is utterly infuriating sometimes What part of his posts rule out 9mm major? Hell most of your “summarizations” arent stated by the op. |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 2:28:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many thanks to all who’ve added info, either from personal experience or published elsewhere. I think the plan is to buy a threaded G34 barrel from SiCo, source an aftermarket RMR cut G34 slide, and a 21lb recoil spring for a P80 frame I have sitting naked. Will either have the barrel recut for 960Rowland or run 9 Major loads. Any recommendations for a 1/2x28 threaded comp? Looking at Rainier and Glock Store and there are certainly tons of options, but which are actually effective and which are just something a dude with a CNC banged out because he thought it looked cool? Most of the compensators for Glocks on the market these days are actually designed for off the shelf 9mm ammo with lower pressure, which is why so many of them only have one or two ports. Since you’ll be running ammo with much higher pressure, it’d be worth getting a larger compensator designed to take advantage of all that extra gas. Check out Carver Customs and S&J Customs for larger competition Glock comps, they’re both well designed and have been proven in competition for a long time: https://www.carvercustom.com/ecommerce/comps-barrels-glock-xdm-s-w-m-p/glock/glock-compensators.cfm https://stores.sjcguns.com/sjc-major-9mm-11-port-aluminum-compensator/ https://stores.sjcguns.com/sjc-9mm-compensator-5-port-aluminum/ If you do go with a larger comp with more ports, you also shouldn’t need a recoil spring that’s quite as heavy. Something more in the 15-17 pound range would be about right. Building an effective and reliable compensated gun can be a somewhat intricate balance between ammo power factor, compensator size, and spring weight. May take some trial and error until you settle on the right combination for your preferences |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 3:08:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus Christ people From OP’s original post and just a bit further down the first page:To summarize: - NOT a hot loaded 9x19 or 9mm Major - NOT 357 Sig - Something the same overall length as 9x19 (meaning no 38 Super, no 9x21, etc) to fit into an unmodified G17 sized frame - OP specifically stated he will be handloading in his first post The reading comprehension/conversational relevance on this site is utterly infuriating sometimes  Nothing he said precluded .38 Super or Super Comp |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 3:14:05 PM EDT
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Arguing/promoting about pistol performance is retarded.
There is unlimited enough data out there to tell you pistols suck for wounding vs rifles. Yet, GD still argues the benefit of a 9x23 vs 9x19, 10mm etc…. It’s mental retardation. If Kyle Rittenhouse had a pistol, he’d be dead. |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 3:28:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arguing/promoting about pistol performance is retarded. There is unlimited enough data out there to tell you pistols suck for wounding vs rifles. Yet, GD still argues the benefit of a 9x23 vs 9x19, 10mm etc…. It’s mental retardation. If Kyle Rittenhouse had a pistol, he’d be dead. When making statements like this, one should take care to differentiate among stopping, killing, and wounding. |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 3:35:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When making statements like this, one should take care to differentiate among stopping, killing, and wounding. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Arguing/promoting about pistol performance is retarded. There is unlimited enough data out there to tell you pistols suck for wounding vs rifles. Yet, GD still argues the benefit of a 9x23 vs 9x19, 10mm etc…. It’s mental retardation. If Kyle Rittenhouse had a pistol, he’d be dead. When making statements like this, one should take care to differentiate among stopping, killing, and wounding. Also keep in mind I said from the start this isn’t for carry or HD. Just gun games and fucking around. |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 10:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many thanks to all who’ve added info, either from personal experience or published elsewhere. I think the plan is to buy a threaded G34 barrel from SiCo, source an aftermarket RMR cut G34 slide, and a 21lb recoil spring for a P80 frame I have sitting naked. Will either have the barrel recut for 960Rowland or run 9 Major loads. Any recommendations for a 1/2x28 threaded comp? Looking at Rainier and Glock Store and there are certainly tons of options, but which are actually effective and which are just something a dude with a CNC banged out because he thought it looked cool? This setup is designed for 9mm Major, and available for the 34 as well as 17: https://www.carvercustom.com/ecommerce/sjc-glock-custom-accessories/glock-sjc-major-9mm-compensator-5-port-kkm-combo.cfm Pair it with a Brownells RMR 34 slide and you're on your way. |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 10:33:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus Christ people From OP’s original post and just a bit further down the first page:To summarize: - NOT a hot loaded 9x19 or 9mm Major - NOT 357 Sig - Something the same overall length as 9x19 (meaning no 38 Super, no 9x21, etc) to fit into an unmodified G17 sized frame - OP specifically stated he will be handloading in his first post The reading comprehension/conversational relevance on this site is utterly infuriating sometimes Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus Christ people From OP’s original post and just a bit further down the first page:Quoted: I’d be handloading from the start so factory ammo availability and cost are irrelevant, but new or once fired brass being unobtainable would make it a nonstarter. I’d also like to stay with the 9mm sized case head for compatibility with my Dillon 650 reloading bits. Quoted: Looks like some clarification is in order. Not looking for a hot 9x19 factory ammo or projectile recommendations for self defense, but for advice on an entirely different, bigger/faster, cartridge which still uses .355-.356” projectiles. I’d like it to use the same 9mm case head, so I can just swap in a barrel and maybe recoil spring on a 9mm 1911 or G17, or at least be able to use the 9mm 1911 or G17 frame with a couple lug and play slide/barrel/recoil spring combo. To summarize: - NOT a hot loaded 9x19 or 9mm Major - NOT 357 Sig - Something the same overall length as 9x19 (meaning no 38 Super, no 9x21, etc) to fit into an unmodified G17 sized frame - OP specifically stated he will be handloading in his first post The reading comprehension/conversational relevance on this site is utterly infuriating sometimes Basically the only cartridge that meets those requirements (G17 COL, 9mm breachface) is .356TSW, which is a pointless cartridge if he's reloading as its just 9mm Major with proprietary, hard to source brass. |
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Posted: 11/25/2021 10:40:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When making statements like this, one should take care to differentiate among stopping, killing, and wounding. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Arguing/promoting about pistol performance is retarded. There is unlimited enough data out there to tell you pistols suck for wounding vs rifles. Yet, GD still argues the benefit of a 9x23 vs 9x19, 10mm etc…. It’s mental retardation. If Kyle Rittenhouse had a pistol, he’d be dead. When making statements like this, one should take care to differentiate among stopping, killing, and wounding. All bullets be it rifle/pistol will wound. Stopping? Killing? Wounding? Shot placement. 1500 vs 1150 fps does not mean shit. It’s where you need to put it and can it penetrate the vital areas? Can you fire as fast as possible and put it exactly where you need it? Ball 9mm will (and has) drop a bear if put in the right spot. |
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Posted: 11/26/2021 12:38:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arguing/promoting about pistol performance is retarded. There is unlimited enough data out there to tell you pistols suck for wounding vs rifles. Yet, GD still argues the benefit of a 9x23 vs 9x19, 10mm etc…. It’s mental retardation. If Kyle Rittenhouse had a pistol, he’d be dead. And yet a .380acp did work on Franz Ferdinand and his wife. Not arguing your point, it's just something I always think about when this data is brought up. The amount of coincidence involved in that event is mind boggling. |
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Posted: 11/26/2021 9:05:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This setup is designed for 9mm Major, and available for the 34 as well as 17: https://www.carvercustom.com/ecommerce/sjc-glock-custom-accessories/glock-sjc-major-9mm-compensator-5-port-kkm-combo.cfm Pair it with a Brownells RMR 34 slide and you're on your way. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Many thanks to all who’ve added info, either from personal experience or published elsewhere. I think the plan is to buy a threaded G34 barrel from SiCo, source an aftermarket RMR cut G34 slide, and a 21lb recoil spring for a P80 frame I have sitting naked. Will either have the barrel recut for 960Rowland or run 9 Major loads. Any recommendations for a 1/2x28 threaded comp? Looking at Rainier and Glock Store and there are certainly tons of options, but which are actually effective and which are just something a dude with a CNC banged out because he thought it looked cool? This setup is designed for 9mm Major, and available for the 34 as well as 17: https://www.carvercustom.com/ecommerce/sjc-glock-custom-accessories/glock-sjc-major-9mm-compensator-5-port-kkm-combo.cfm Pair it with a Brownells RMR 34 slide and you're on your way. I ordered a Brownells RMR 34 slide and SiCo threaded 34 barrel along with the S&J 11 port comp yesterday. |
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Posted: 11/27/2021 10:30:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ordered a Brownells RMR 34 slide and SiCo threaded 34 barrel along with the S&J 11 port comp yesterday. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Many thanks to all who’ve added info, either from personal experience or published elsewhere. I think the plan is to buy a threaded G34 barrel from SiCo, source an aftermarket RMR cut G34 slide, and a 21lb recoil spring for a P80 frame I have sitting naked. Will either have the barrel recut for 960Rowland or run 9 Major loads. Any recommendations for a 1/2x28 threaded comp? Looking at Rainier and Glock Store and there are certainly tons of options, but which are actually effective and which are just something a dude with a CNC banged out because he thought it looked cool? This setup is designed for 9mm Major, and available for the 34 as well as 17: https://www.carvercustom.com/ecommerce/sjc-glock-custom-accessories/glock-sjc-major-9mm-compensator-5-port-kkm-combo.cfm Pair it with a Brownells RMR 34 slide and you're on your way. I ordered a Brownells RMR 34 slide and SiCo threaded 34 barrel along with the S&J 11 port comp yesterday. Awesome. Look forward to hearing how the project turns out. Some more info that may be helpful: https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/making-major-hodgdon-cfe-pistol-powder/137998 https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Playing-with-9mm-major/42-484452/ https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2018/9/28/high-pressure-loads-in-shell-shock-nas3-cases 
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Posted: 12/11/2021 3:15:51 PM EDT
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Got all the parts in from BF purchases.
P80 frame and slide completion kit Glock LPK and Gen 3 recoil assembly Brownells G34 RMR cut slide SilencerCo 9mm threaded barrel RM06 RMR SJC 11 port comp Going to run a couple hundred rounds through it in 9mm then send it off to be cut for 960 Rowland.  Attached File |
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