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I'm an atheist and he still disgusts me with his false witness, just like all televangelist hucksters.

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He's a false witness.

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I don't hate him. I watch in open mouthed amazement that someone that odd can have thousands, maybe millions of gullible people sending him money.

If anything, it's player hate. His pimp hand is STRONG.

Also he looks like a cartoon.

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He goes jogging with his dick root out.

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What does that mean in a religious context? I know it basically means lying but you both chose that phrase so it makes me wonder exactly what you mean by it.

I'm not religious or a JO supporter. It's a genuine question.

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I know some who listen & watch him.  I've seen several segments of his services, I'll admit I don't remember ever seeing a
full service of his.  

I don't think I've ever heard him "preaching" about "bringing people to Jesus" or salvation.

As mentioned previously, he sounds like a motivational speaker.  He speaks on how you can feel good about yourself, & be positive.

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5. How on earth can anyone think he's skimming from his church when he has a perfectly lucrative side business and probably views his church as a loss leader to sell his books and speaking engagements? This is different from Jim and Tammy Baker. They actually did take money directly from the plate.

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Joel Osteen to return $4.4M pandemic loan.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/10/joel-osteens-lakewood-church-to-repay-4-4m-in-ppp-loans/


So a few things about Osteen.

1. Returning a loan isn't really doing much since you were supposed to pay it back in the first place. (that's why it's called a loan.) But the media is reading this as some sort of admission of wrongdoing.

2. Small thinkers like to point out separation of church and state but the PPP loans were for organizations who employ people regardless of their mission. He employee 350 people at his church. (I bet some of them aren't even Christians. Just really good at organizing events.) The loans were granted to support employees, not to set up a national religion.

3. He doesn't take a salary from his church for his religious activities. Folks wonder how he can be worth $50, well, he sold 100 million copies of one of his books and he has 13 other best sellers. He gets paid 100-200k per speaking engagement and can easily do three a day because of his private jet. Why on earth shouldn't he be worth that much? And his jet is nice, I'm sure, but there is a good business purpose for it. If it costs 10k a day to fly and he can eek out 3 instead of 2 speaking engagements over flying coach, then it's paid for itself.

4. During the floods they had that goofy notion that he's supposed to turn his church into a hotel. It holds 16,800 spectators. As if it's stocked with bedding, food, and toiletries for people to sleep there. They just have concrete floors and uncomfortable stadium seats. I believe they tried this with the New Orleans Superdome during Katrina with terrible results. Yeah I wouldn't want to do that to my church either. If he had opened his church up to people the media would be all over about how it isn't a shelter and the terrible conditions. He made the right choice.

5. How on earth can anyone think he's skimming from his church when he has a perfectly lucrative side business and probably views his church as a loss leader to sell his books and speaking engagements? This is different from Jim and Tammy Baker. They actually did take money directly from the plate.

6. And there are lots of motivational speakers who refer to God and religion as a base for what they do. Is he just suffering from McDonald's syndrome where he happens to be the biggest target?

No I'm not a follower. Never read his book, never attended his events. I don't even know what he sounds like. Just tired of media BS and think he hasn't gotten a fair deal.

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If you are a Bible-believing Christian, you know that Osteen is leading people to Hell.

Ready proof: Osteen published a book called Your Best Life Now. If you believe the Bible, you know that there is someone who wants this to be your best life, and it ain't God.

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People hate him because he's made a fortune from his "evangelism" work.  

His home.  
https://investormint.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/joel-osteen-mansion.png

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Came for the memes:

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/59a915371700002000287c9d.jpeg?cache=GbqBAJbDkt&ops=1778_1000

https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/21/21d2d83cb918f608d7b3c3abef04bb10.png


https://pics.me.me/he-spoke-to-me-god-spoke-to-me-right-in-27441258.png


https://deadstate.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Screen-Shot-2017-09-01-at-12.46.32-PM.png

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Joel Osteen to return $4.4M pandemic loan.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/10/joel-osteens-lakewood-church-to-repay-4-4m-in-ppp-loans/


So a few things about Osteen.

1. Returning a loan isn't really doing much since you were supposed to pay it back in the first place. (that's why it's called a loan.) But the media is reading this as some sort of admission of wrongdoing.

2. Small thinkers like to point out separation of church and state but the PPP loans were for organizations who employ people regardless of their mission. He employee 350 people at his church. (I bet some of them aren't even Christians. Just really good at organizing events.) The loans were granted to support employees, not to set up a national religion.

3. He doesn't take a salary from his church for his religious activities. Folks wonder how he can be worth $50, well, he sold 100 million copies of one of his books and he has 13 other best sellers. He gets paid 100-200k per speaking engagement and can easily do three a day because of his private jet. Why on earth shouldn't he be worth that much? And his jet is nice, I'm sure, but there is a good business purpose for it. If it costs 10k a day to fly and he can eek out 3 instead of 2 speaking engagements over flying coach, then it's paid for itself.

4. During the floods they had that goofy notion that he's supposed to turn his church into a hotel. It holds 16,800 spectators. As if it's stocked with bedding, food, and toiletries for people to sleep there. They just have concrete floors and uncomfortable stadium seats. I believe they tried this with the New Orleans Superdome during Katrina with terrible results. Yeah I wouldn't want to do that to my church either. If he had opened his church up to people the media would be all over about how it isn't a shelter and the terrible conditions. He made the right choice.

5. How on earth can anyone think he's skimming from his church when he has a perfectly lucrative side business and probably views his church as a loss leader to sell his books and speaking engagements? This is different from Jim and Tammy Baker. They actually did take money directly from the plate.

6. And there are lots of motivational speakers who refer to God and religion as a base for what they do. Is he just suffering from McDonald's syndrome where he happens to be the biggest target?

No I'm not a follower. Never read his book, never attended his events. I don't even know what he sounds like. Just tired of media BS and think he hasn't gotten a fair deal.

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There was some member here that was a preacher in Florida IIRC.  He said he was friends with JO and posted some photos of them together.  The thread was very creepy.

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I don't hate him,  I just think he's a phony SOB.

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I’m a Christian and know nothing about the guy other than what I see in GD.
Not one of the pastors I follow.
Hopefully he’s spreading the Word.

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He's a liar. He tells people lies, because they'll pay well to hear them.

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It amazes me that Christians tolerate people like him.