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The Swiss PE57 bayonets that were dirt cheap a while ago resembled them.
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Quoted: If you're in blade fight, you're both going to get cut. Best to avoid it. View Quote If possible, Mexican gang members in LA and parts of Oakland that I lived at haven’t been so avoidable in my past. European cities has also proved to be similar. Thankfully Culver City has changed. Hopefully Inglewood, Hawthorne and Compton follow Culver City. I took my SATs in Compton. Lee Rigby attackers "urged passersby to film incident" |
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Quoted: If you're in blade fight, you're both going to get cut. Best to avoid it. View Quote Pretty much. I've done a LOT of training with knives, just for fun, and just in case, and after having done a lot of sparring with the rubber training knives with felt edges (red lipstick on the felt shows everywhere you've been 'tagged'), my number one takeaway is "don't get in a knife fight". 2 fast, skilled fighters? You're both fucked very quickly. Very skilled fighter against a slower, inexperienced fighter, good chance that you can take him, but there's still a chance of getting tagged. Get tagged ONCE, with a real blade, in the wrong spot. Game over. Very skilled fighter vs inexperienced, but athletic, fast, aggressive newbie? Even higher chance of getting tagged by the 'unskilled' newbie, even as you tag them. |
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According to a GD knife aficionado, daggers are for people without taste. Real taste is getting a knife custom-made by some bald guy who's one step away from a cyclops. Alright, petulant whining over.
Fairbairn-Sykes daggers are pretty good for fighting, which is about all they were ever meant for. Avoid Chinesium. If you want a good Fairbairn-Sykes dagger, get the one made by Sheffield. $70 but it's not meant for cutting shit, it's made for poking criminals in the organy bits. If you want something for cutting things, a dagger is not for you. If you collect or want it for self-defense, you're on the right track. It should be noted that the Sheffield Fairbairn-Sykes is M.O.D. (Ministry of Defence) issue, so it's GTG. |
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Quoted: Pretty much. I've done a LOT of training with knives, just for fun, and just in case, and after having done a lot of sparring with the rubber training knives with felt edges (red lipstick on the felt shows everywhere you've been 'tagged'), my number one takeaway is "don't get in a knife fight". 2 fast, skilled fighters? You're both fucked very quickly. Very skilled fighter against a slower, inexperienced fighter, good chance that you can take him, but there's still a chance of getting tagged. Get tagged ONCE, with a real blade, in the wrong spot. Game over. Very skilled fighter vs inexperienced, but athletic, fast, aggressive newbie? Even higher chance of getting tagged by the 'unskilled' newbie, even as you tag them. View Quote London bus, knife attack 2017 |
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Quoted: If possible, Mexican gang members in LA and parts of Oakland that I lived at haven’t been so avoidable in my past. European cities has also proved to be similar. Thankfully Culver City has changed. Hopefully Inglewood, Hawthorne and Compton follow Culver City. I took my SATs in Compton. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAh7FEEsLpU View Quote Oakland and Compton, eh? Inglewood? Are you a cop in LA or do you intentionally live in the worst parts of LA |
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Quoted: Oakland and Compton, eh? Inglewood? Are you a cop in LA or do you intentionally live in the worst parts of LA View Quote I absolutely do not recommend anyone pursue, as their only and sole source of income, a career in Hollywood. Especially if you want to live north of San Diego / Camp Pendleton area or South of San Luis Obispo but closer to the beach. |
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having spent some years learning swords, knives fucking terrify me.
OP, in addition to all the sykes stuff, spend some time on late renaissance dagger technique: https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fiore_de'i_Liberi#Dagger |
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Now we those other non Mexican gangs like MS-13 in Idaho, Virginia, everywhere. I think Phoenix had some shit down a couple years ago, so another reason why gun fu and AR15.com are relevant to my interests.
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Quoted: spend some time on late renaissance dagger technique: https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fiore_de'i_Liberi#Dagger View Quote Ha! Told you all back in page 1 |
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Quoted: Pretty much. I've done a LOT of training with knives, just for fun, and just in case, and after having done a lot of sparring with the rubber training knives with felt edges (red lipstick on the felt shows everywhere you've been 'tagged'), my number one takeaway is "don't get in a knife fight". 2 fast, skilled fighters? You're both fucked very quickly. Very skilled fighter against a slower, inexperienced fighter, good chance that you can take him, but there's still a chance of getting tagged. Get tagged ONCE, with a real blade, in the wrong spot. Game over. Very skilled fighter vs inexperienced, but athletic, fast, aggressive newbie? Even higher chance of getting tagged by the 'unskilled' newbie, even as you tag them. View Quote If involves blades big enough to chop decently or stab deeply with a bit of distance, like a big bowie, then its probably more a matter of who connects first. |
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Quoted: I'm at 1650 here in Fredericksburg VA. It's not Inglewood, though. View Quote You can get a 2 bedroom in parts of Compton for that but not Inglewood anymore. Long Beach is affordable and lots of crime but you’re right in the water. Oakland is slowly pricing out the previous residents who are complaining about gentrification and loss of vibrant diversity but I looked at 1940 Oakland census and it wasn’t diverse at all before WW2. So that glorious history Oakland city council members are talking about lasted 50 years in the past 200 years |
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Quoted: According to a GD knife aficionado, daggers are for people without taste. Real taste is getting a knife custom-made by some bald guy who's one step away from a cyclops. Alright, petulant whining over. Fairbairn-Sykes daggers are pretty good for fighting, which is about all they were ever meant for. Avoid Chinesium. If you want a good Fairbairn-Sykes dagger, get the one made by Sheffield. $70 but it's not meant for cutting shit, it's made for poking criminals in the organy bits. If you want something for cutting things, a dagger is not for you. If you collect or want it for self-defense, you're on the right track. It should be noted that the Sheffield Fairbairn-Sykes is M.O.D. (Ministry of Defence) issue, so it's GTG. View Quote I picked up one of those Sheffield blades years ago just because. It’s a nasty little thing. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51777/IMG_3885_jpg-2506201.JPG I have three. The M500 (Czechoslovakia), Hill Knives (Holland), and a real FS (England). If I were to carry one, the most practical would be the Hill Knives. View Quote That photo is sexy as hell. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Pretty much. I've done a LOT of training with knives, just for fun, and just in case, and after having done a lot of sparring with the rubber training knives with felt edges (red lipstick on the felt shows everywhere you've been 'tagged'), my number one takeaway is "don't get in a knife fight". 2 fast, skilled fighters? You're both fucked very quickly. Very skilled fighter against a slower, inexperienced fighter, good chance that you can take him, but there's still a chance of getting tagged. Get tagged ONCE, with a real blade, in the wrong spot. Game over. Very skilled fighter vs inexperienced, but athletic, fast, aggressive newbie? Even higher chance of getting tagged by the 'unskilled' newbie, even as you tag them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsg8zuKKsGc Yeah, I've seen successful knife disarms. Helps if they're unskilled and you have a stremgth advantage, but I don't see the beginning of that emcounter. If the other guy is already getting stabby/slashy, the risk goes up significantly vs someone just holding/brandishing a knife. |
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Quoted: Yeah, I've seen successful knife disarms. Helps if they're unskilled and you have a stremgth advantage, but I don't see the beginning of that emcounter. If the other guy is already getting stabby/slashy, the risk goes up significantly vs someone just holding/brandishing a knife. View Quote Skill, intent etc. yeah but the argument was premised that 100% of the time you’re fucked. Blanket statements will generate lawyer like responses to all or nothing declarations. Here’s a smaller guy squirrelling away from big bigger guy with knife who gets hold of him and is very stabby. The victim has autism so literally no training whatsoever. Smaller person with autism. There’s a video from India as well I can post who opts to sacrifice his hands and grab the blade as the guy stabs and python alligator twirls round and round till he finally gets the attackers knife. Just some rando skinny Indian guy with zero training. Sometimes the bear gets you sometimes you get the bear but if you can’t get away and mentally give up because they have a knife, you are done. RTD 15L knife attack |
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I knew a WW II sniper who carried the dagger. No training in knife fighting but to him it was a splendid tool to probe for mines with. He found a few too.
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Quoted: You can get a 2 bedroom in parts of Compton for that but not Inglewood anymore. Long Beach is affordable and lots of crime but you’re right in the water. Oakland is slowly pricing out the previous residents who are complaining about gentrification and loss of vibrant diversity but I looked at 1940 Oakland census and it wasn’t diverse at all before WW2. So that glorious history Oakland city council members are talking about lasted 50 years in the past 200 years View Quote It's amusing me that rent is cheaper in parts of CA than it is where I live. That's NoVA for you (although this is the very southern edge of NoVA). /edit Also in this thread we see the folks who've never been in a knife fight using youtube videos as their evidence that knife on knife is fine. |
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Quoted: There’s shit up on YouTube. What exactly are you wanting to know? View Quote Wondering if it’s a legit piece of equipment or is it like a ninja sword from out of the catalog. Also wondering if there are more modern alternatives like this one. https://winklerknives.com/products/wk-nsw-dagger?variant=27923809370135 I suppose a better question is there a real legit fighting knife one should carry as part of their gear |
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Quoted: Yeah, I've seen successful knife disarms. Helps if they're unskilled and you have a stremgth advantage, but I don't see the beginning of that emcounter. If the other guy is already getting stabby/slashy, the risk goes up significantly vs someone just holding/brandishing a knife. View Quote Also thankfully 87% of people have no clue what they’re doing. I’ve had people attempt stab me in Europe and California hence my interest in the topic. I’m still here, I’m not dead or on life support or in a wheelchair. Cops arrived after it was over every single time. In London it was multiple attackers but only one had a box cutter the others were using hammers and a variety of tools. After that I bought stab vest, wore quality leather jacket that zipped up over my neck with prison guard style gloves for cut resistance Video shows suspect attempting to stab man with knife in Volusia County restaurant |
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Quoted: It's amusing me that rent is cheaper in parts of CA than it is where I live. That's NoVA for you (although this is the very southern edge of NoVA). /edit Also in this thread we see the folks who've never been in a knife fight using youtube videos as their evidence that knife on knife is fine. View Quote No guarantees in life. It’s not the movies. Lee Rigby got hit by a car then stabbed to death by 2 men. Not much of a defense to that beyond no be there. He was leaving military barracks. In LA I ended up acting like Tarzan swinging a fallen tree branch at 3 Mexicans trying to stab me at a bus a stop. {only 1 of them had a knife} The places cheaper than NOVA are shitholes equivalent to Anacostia, District Heights and all those non tourist areas of DC nobody wants to drive thru. But I don’t know the rental rates over there. |
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Quoted: Wondering if it’s a legit piece of equipment or is it like a ninja sword from out of the catalog. Also wondering if there are more modern alternatives like this one. https://winklerknives.com/products/wk-nsw-dagger?variant=27923809370135 I suppose a better question is there a real legit fighting knife one should carry as part of their gear View Quote It’s a quality design for limited use, which will not be of much use in NYC or San Francisco. There’s always options. You wear basketball shoes at a basketball court not a running track. Carrying a fighting knife? Unless your John Wick it depends on a lot of factors and context. But tools alone aren’t enough unless it’s just for display. Decent training is about the best we can do but all the training in the world and the best knife on planet Earth won’t save you from getting shanked from behind in a bathroom - I saw that happen in 5th grade. Started peeing in closed stalls for awhile after that. We also had a English teacher stabbed the period before my class. Wheeled her out in a stretcher. Guns/CCW if possible, unarmed training with legit people, armed training is preferred. I’ve carried trash knives that I can toss in the Thames after my trips to Europe made it clear self defense is not affirmed and shits banned or illegal but that doesn’t stop random from doing it or acquiring stuff Guy Pulls Knife On Unsuspecting Workers Taking Break |
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Quoted: Wondering if it’s a legit piece of equipment or is it like a ninja sword from out of the catalog. Also wondering if there are more modern alternatives like this one. https://winklerknives.com/products/wk-nsw-dagger?variant=27923809370135 I suppose a better question is there a real legit fighting knife one should carry as part of their gear View Quote Situational awareness and protective shit also helps - NYC rando knife attack from behind Police seek suspect caught on camera stabbing teen in Brooklyn |
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I bought a Sheffield Sykes-Fairbairn out of Shotgun News in the 80's and carried it in Central America. Bunking down at night it was nice to have a good shiv within arms reach. |
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Quoted: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51V+NBPPQgL._SX378_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg It's a legit fighting tool. View Quote Some of those techniques from Fairbairn were awesome but some were pretty cringe Failed To Load Title |
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Quoted: lol View Quote ET TU BRUTE? Italians sure love them some knives since forever The Arditi: Italy's Elite and Daring Shock Troops of World War One |
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I also have an original that my grand father picked up during the war
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View Quote Take your grandpa to school day. |
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Quoted: ET TU BRUTE? Italians sure love them some knives since forever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT8CZyiJYI View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: lol ET TU BRUTE? Italians sure love them some knives since forever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT8CZyiJYI It is from “The Corps” book series. The hero carries a scaled down one strapped to his wrist and kills some Italian marines with his in pre WW2 China. |
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Quoted: Look at the vid of the smoke shop owner that put blade in a guys neck/clavicle area,it’s been posted here several times. View Quote @1994LC3X +1 He did great. Just kept stabbing at any potential vital area until the threat was down. Blocking the neck? Come from underneath. Upward thrusts into the upper abdomen/lower chest are difficult to defend against, and doubly so without proper training. |
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Quoted: It is from “The Corps” book series. The hero carries a scaled down one strapped to his wrist and kills some Italian marines with his in pre WW2 China. View Quote I was trying to make a joke about Italians dying by knives and the irony of post WW1 Italians dying by knife Attached File |
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Quoted: Skill, intent etc. yeah but the argument was premised that 100% of the time you’re fucked. Blanket statements will generate lawyer like responses to all or nothing declarations. Here’s a smaller guy squirrelling away from big bigger guy with knife who gets hold of him and is very stabby. The victim has autism so literally no training whatsoever. Smaller person with autism. There’s a video from India as well I can post who opts to sacrifice his hands and grab the blade as the guy stabs and python alligator twirls round and round till he finally gets the attackers knife. Just some rando skinny Indian guy with zero training. Sometimes the bear gets you sometimes you get the bear but if you can’t get away and mentally give up because they have a knife, you are done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rQgHsXF5U8 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, I've seen successful knife disarms. Helps if they're unskilled and you have a stremgth advantage, but I don't see the beginning of that emcounter. If the other guy is already getting stabby/slashy, the risk goes up significantly vs someone just holding/brandishing a knife. Skill, intent etc. yeah but the argument was premised that 100% of the time you’re fucked. Blanket statements will generate lawyer like responses to all or nothing declarations. Here’s a smaller guy squirrelling away from big bigger guy with knife who gets hold of him and is very stabby. The victim has autism so literally no training whatsoever. Smaller person with autism. There’s a video from India as well I can post who opts to sacrifice his hands and grab the blade as the guy stabs and python alligator twirls round and round till he finally gets the attackers knife. Just some rando skinny Indian guy with zero training. Sometimes the bear gets you sometimes you get the bear but if you can’t get away and mentally give up because they have a knife, you are done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rQgHsXF5U8 Haven't seen anyone making that claim. What I have seen people saying in this thread, is "Best to avoid". Unless I have no choice or better options, the risk involved in going hands on with someone armed with a knife, is just too high for me to chance. Best option is to shoot them from outside contact range. |
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I've often seen complaints that a dagger is too single purpose. That's fine with me. I'm not gonna open cans with it, make feather sticks or slice potatoes. I carry a Spartan V14. What I like about it is the blade is razor sharp on both sides. So not only is it good for piercing or stabbing, but it's also going to slice and slash on the way in/out.
During my years in Corrections I saw a lot of victims of sharp weapon attacks. If the attacker was using a "stabby" weapon (picture an ice pick or sharpened spike) it almost never incapacitated the victim. Some of those guys had more holes in them than swiss cheese and they were still up and fighting. Even the old razor blade melted into the handle of a toothbrush was more effective. You weren't going to get a vital organ with it but blood loss became a factor. |
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Quoted: Awesome, for those who don’t know DLI is the military language school {but Special Forces now does language at Ft Bragg NC} DLI is a sweet hidden jewel most people even in the military don’t know about. Monterey is 70 at mist 80 degrees when the rest of California gets those 3 day 100 heat waves innJuly/August or September. Only the Avenue of the Giants- Eureka and Crescent City have cool summer weather all summer. Santa Barbara and San Francisco Bay Area 2nd place. San Diego 3rd. Golfers, scuba and car collectors. Monterey has cold water but otherwise lots to do except late nightlife but 2 hour drive up to San Francisco depending on traffic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Nice. I've never actually been inside but driven past it a million times. Did a stint at DLI in the mid 10s and my dad and his side of the family all live in Sonoma County so try to get down to Monterey when I'm out there. DLI is a sweet hidden jewel most people even in the military don’t know about. Monterey is 70 at mist 80 degrees when the rest of California gets those 3 day 100 heat waves innJuly/August or September. Only the Avenue of the Giants- Eureka and Crescent City have cool summer weather all summer. Santa Barbara and San Francisco Bay Area 2nd place. San Diego 3rd. Golfers, scuba and car collectors. Monterey has cold water but otherwise lots to do except late nightlife but 2 hour drive up to San Francisco depending on traffic. Back in the day I spent more time underwater around Monterey than most people have spent on land. Fantastic diving there, much of it within swimming distance of a beach entry. |
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Quoted: Back in the day I spent more time underwater around Monterey than most people have spent on land. Fantastic diving there, much of it within swimming distance of a beach entry. View Quote A seal beat the shit out of me in the bay diving on a low vis day. One time a sunfish swam right up arms length and just kept looking at me. Thing was huge. I got my dive cert there thru CAL state. A guy I know kept bugging me to dive Point Lobos with him but I was usually with the next new girlfriend and never went |
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Quoted: I've often seen complaints that a dagger is too single purpose. That's fine with me. I'm not gonna open cans with it, make feather sticks or slice potatoes. I carry a Spartan V14. What I like about it is the blade is razor sharp on both sides. So not only is it good for piercing or stabbing, but it's also going to slice and slash on the way in/out. During my years in Corrections I saw a lot of victims of sharp weapon attacks. If the attacker was using a "stabby" weapon (picture an ice pick or sharpened spike) it almost never incapacitated the victim. Some of those guys had more holes in them than swiss cheese and they were still up and fighting. Even the old razor blade melted into the handle of a toothbrush was more effective. You weren't going to get a vital organ with it but blood loss became a factor. View Quote Current CSM for 79th brigade Rodney Plamondon was a prison guard back when we were in B company 184th infantry. He used to tell me about cell removals, I don’t recall the correct term and all the crazy shit they had to deal with - prisoners pissing and he carried off duty. He also had encounters with inmates gang members outside the prison so when he asked if I was interested in a job after bitching to him about bad luck with Hollywood I was like nope. |
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Quoted: No guarantees in life. It’s not the movies. Lee Rigby got hit by a car then stabbed to death by 2 men. Not much of a defense to that beyond no be there. He was leaving military barracks. In LA I ended up acting like Tarzan swinging a fallen tree branch at 3 Mexicans trying to stab me at a bus a stop. {only 1 of them had a knife} The places cheaper than NOVA are shitholes equivalent to Anacostia, District Heights and all those non tourist areas of DC nobody wants to drive thru. But I don’t know the rental rates over there. View Quote Oh man I'm pretty far away from DC. |
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