G19 in the SF communities. (Page 20 of 45)
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Shouldnt post while attempting to cook dinner https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/E37D070E-CB9F-4BD5-B459-0360960C13E0_jpe-2098874.JPG I have been trying to get one of those polymer magwell forever; any idea where they are sourcing them? I can find the g17 model but nothing for the 19 |
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Originally Posted By MRW: @Combat_Diver I have a mind to try to make one of these. Is the material elastic, or just nylon? I think it would need to be elastic to secure the pistol. Is this a similar material? www.amazon.com/dp/B019ZMUX4Q @MRW sorry for the delay. Mine are made out of nylon. Guess you can use elastic and not sew on the velcro, but the keepers shift on the belt to accommodate different sizes. CD |
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Originally Posted By hypersport750: Which model/brand? Not sure of the actual maker, the original 17 sized ones were marketed under Rogers brand, then a bunch popped up under the presume brand in both a 17 and 19 size; after that a whole bunch of sellers had their own, but again not sure who actually makes them You can still find the g3 17/22/etc one under the presume name butthe g3 19 seems unobtanium |
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Originally Posted By gmbackus: Not sure of the actual maker, the original 17 sized ones were marketed under Rogers brand, then a bunch popped up under the presume brand in both a 17 and 19 size; after that a whole bunch of sellers had their own, but again not sure who actually makes them You can still find the g3 17/22/etc one under the presume name butthe g3 19 seems unobtanium I know this is out of stock, but it's this brand? Prezine Magwell |
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More like discontinued, it’s been out of stock for like 3 years |
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Originally Posted By hypersport750: Brownells has the Gen 3 17 ones in stock. NDZ makes one very similar in style. but out of stock as well. They are all made by the same company; I’m wondering if the 2 in the above photo are actually 17 magwell because they don’t look like the fit well on the front lip. May have to give a 17 sized one a shot |
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Originally Posted By gmbackus: They are all made by the same company; I’m wondering if the 2 in the above photo are actually 17 magwell because they don’t look like the fit well on the front lip. May have to give a 17 sized one a shot I ordered one from brownells for my G22 RTF with a grip force beaver tail also. I could check on my G23 Gen 3 to see if the fit is like that. |
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Originally Posted By gmbackus: I have been trying to get one of those polymer magwell forever; any idea where they are sourcing them? I can find the g17 model but nothing for the 19 Originally Posted By gmbackus: Originally Posted By LsuJon: Shouldnt post while attempting to cook dinner https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/E37D070E-CB9F-4BD5-B459-0360960C13E0_jpe-2098874.JPG I have been trying to get one of those polymer magwell forever; any idea where they are sourcing them? I can find the g17 model but nothing for the 19 @gmbackus Reptilia Blackhole magwell, I believe weapon outfitters has them |
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Originally Posted By gmbackus: @hypersport750 that would be awesome if you could share the results! @gmbackus Here are pics of the Rogers Magwell from Brownells( yes it is labeled Rogers magwell on the packaging) I loosely put it on the G23 because if I pushed it all the way it would have messed up the Talon grips, which it did mess up the ones on the Glock 17 that I actually put them on. Ended up putting it on my early two pin Gen 3 frme since it covers up the front magwell cut out ion this frame. Looks like it would work with a G19/23 frame with a little gap. Hope this helps.     
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Originally Posted By hypersport750: @gmbackus Here are pics of the Rogers Magwell from Brownells( yes it is labeled Rogers magwell on the packaging) I loosely put it on the G23 because if I pushed it all the way it would have messed up the Talon grips, which it did mess up the ones on the Glock 17 that I actually put them on. Ended up putting it on my early two pin Gen 3 frme since it covers up the front magwell cut out ion this frame. Looks like it would work with a G19/23 frame with a little gap. Hope this helps. https://i.imgur.com/xqOiuta.jpg https://i.imgur.com/BrI2Ypu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7BPNiC3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LyeBqkx.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Y4JkMPZ.jpg Awesome! They are cheap enough I can give it a shot! |
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Closest I've found to the nylon holster The Wilderness Zip Slide |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Lots of these belt slides were made down range last two years. Advantages light weight, ambidextrous and retaining strap can be used over the slide or from the rear over the grip for security. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_9775_JPG-2075660.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_9777_JPG-2075656.JPG CD Saw some guys in Bagram in Jun/Jul 21 with those. Wanted to ask about it but just thought they were something I could find later. |
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Originally Posted By RDH10: @combat_diver. Any issues with the Gen 5 MOS system? I was told any mounting issues were fixed with later Gen guns. Haven’t seen any Gen 5 guns CD |
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Afghanistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18',19',20'&21'
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Originally Posted By RDH10: @combat_diver. Any issues with the Gen 5 MOS system? I was told any mounting issues were fixed with later Gen guns. |
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Originally Posted By RDH10: That seems to limit you to the footprint of that particular optic. I've heard the Forward Control Designs plate made the standard Glock MOS a duty grade option. Any thoughts? Given that SOCOM has a contract for RMR's, I doubt they care about being limited to one optic footprint. It's not like they're playing musical optics on issued guns. And direct mounts are mechanically superior to any plate system. Realistically, for duty use, a direct mount RMR footprint is king, and USASOC has some DPP's. If Glock covers those 2 footprints, nothing else matters. (Maybe ACRO one day, if the P-2 is as good as expected). |
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Originally Posted By oldbrowndog: Given that SOCOM has a contract for RMR's, I doubt they care about being limited to one optic footprint. It's not like they're playing musical optics on issued guns. And direct mounts are mechanically superior to any plate system. Realistically, for duty use, a direct mount RMR footprint is king, and USASOC has some DPP's. If Glock covers those 2 footprints, nothing else matters. (Maybe ACRO one day, if the P-2 is as good as expected). Have you used an OPF-G? |
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Originally Posted By iasc300ia: Have you used an OPF-G? Yes, and they’re great. I’m a big fan of FCD and Roger. Direct mounting is still superior. But that’s irrelevant, because this thread is about SOF use of the G19, and to the best of my knowledge, SOCOM doesn’t use/issue any OPF-G. |
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Originally Posted By oldbrowndog: Given that SOCOM has a contract for RMR's, I doubt they care about being limited to one optic footprint. It's not like they're playing musical optics on issued guns. And direct mounts are mechanically superior to any plate system. Realistically, for duty use, a direct mount RMR footprint is king, and USASOC has some DPP's. If Glock covers those 2 footprints, nothing else matters. (Maybe ACRO one day, if the P-2 is as good as expected). Bingo |
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Originally Posted By oldbrowndog: Given that SOCOM has a contract for RMR's, I doubt they care about being limited to one optic footprint. It's not like they're playing musical optics on issued guns. And direct mounts are mechanically superior to any plate system. Realistically, for duty use, a direct mount RMR footprint is king, and USASOC has some DPP's. If Glock covers those 2 footprints, nothing else matters. (Maybe ACRO one day, if the P-2 is as good as expected). The parts of SOCOM that use RMRs use regular MOS glocks. The guys with deltapoints are the only ones with gen 5s and MOS3. |
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Originally Posted By DOE: Doesn't SOCOM/SOF have COTS? Originally Posted By DOE: Originally Posted By brosnarp: The parts of SOCOM that use RMRs use regular MOS glocks. The guys with deltapoints are the only ones with gen 5s and MOS3. Doesn't SOCOM/SOF have COTS? That's not really a meaningful question. To explain why I've got to talk about how the military buys things for a minute. Broadly speaking, the military buys stuff in one of three ways: as part of a program of record, to fulfill an operational needs statement, or with unit funds. The last one is pretty much what it sounds like: units are given money to buy stuff they think they need, especially before a deployment. Generally speaking, using unit funds to buy weapons isn't allowed. Operational needs statements (ONS) are things units use to force the procurement system to field something the unit believes it needs for a particular mission; something not provided by a program of record. SF initially got Glock 19s through an ONS stating that they needed smaller pistols than their Berettas. Programs of record are enduring procurement and maintenance programs that are typically based on doctrine. SF's use of G19s was eventually converted to a program of record, and expanded to cover most of SOCOM. Items purchased through a program of record or ONS might be COTS, or they might be developmental. Stuff bought through unit funds pretty much has to be COTS. To bring this back around to optics and MOS, SOCOM's G19s are currently bought through a program of record, and are gen 3 or 4 with regular MOS. SOCOM's program of record mini red dot sight is the RMR, although units might have other optics on hand that were acquired through unit funds or an ONS before the optic program of record existed. There are some very special guys who have their own weapons programs separate from big SOCOM; those are the guys with Deltapoints mounted on their MOS3 gen 5 17s or 34s. |
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Originally Posted By brosnarp: That's not really a meaningful question. To explain why I've got to talk about how the military buys things for a minute. Broadly speaking, the military buys stuff in one of three ways: as part of a program of record, to fulfill an operational needs statement, or with unit funds. The last one is pretty much what it sounds like: units are given money to buy stuff they think they need, especially before a deployment. Generally speaking, using unit funds to buy weapons isn't allowed. Operational needs statements (ONS) are things units use to force the procurement system to field something the unit believes it needs for a particular mission; something not provided by a program of record. SF initially got Glock 19s through an ONS stating that they needed smaller pistols than their Berettas. Programs of record are enduring procurement and maintenance programs that are typically based on doctrine. SF's use of G19s was eventually converted to a program of record, and expanded to cover most of SOCOM. Items purchased through a program of record or ONS might be COTS, or they might be developmental. Stuff bought through unit funds pretty much has to be COTS. To bring this back around to optics and MOS, SOCOM's G19s are currently bought through a program of record, and are gen 3 or 4 with regular MOS. SOCOM's program of record mini red dot sight is the RMR, although units might have other optics on hand that were acquired through unit funds or an ONS before the optic program of record existed. There are some very special guys who have their own weapons programs separate from big SOCOM; those are the guys with Deltapoints mounted on their MOS3 gen 5 17s or 34s. Originally Posted By brosnarp: Originally Posted By DOE: Originally Posted By brosnarp: The parts of SOCOM that use RMRs use regular MOS glocks. The guys with deltapoints are the only ones with gen 5s and MOS3. Doesn't SOCOM/SOF have COTS? That's not really a meaningful question. To explain why I've got to talk about how the military buys things for a minute. Broadly speaking, the military buys stuff in one of three ways: as part of a program of record, to fulfill an operational needs statement, or with unit funds. The last one is pretty much what it sounds like: units are given money to buy stuff they think they need, especially before a deployment. Generally speaking, using unit funds to buy weapons isn't allowed. Operational needs statements (ONS) are things units use to force the procurement system to field something the unit believes it needs for a particular mission; something not provided by a program of record. SF initially got Glock 19s through an ONS stating that they needed smaller pistols than their Berettas. Programs of record are enduring procurement and maintenance programs that are typically based on doctrine. SF's use of G19s was eventually converted to a program of record, and expanded to cover most of SOCOM. Items purchased through a program of record or ONS might be COTS, or they might be developmental. Stuff bought through unit funds pretty much has to be COTS. To bring this back around to optics and MOS, SOCOM's G19s are currently bought through a program of record, and are gen 3 or 4 with regular MOS. SOCOM's program of record mini red dot sight is the RMR, although units might have other optics on hand that were acquired through unit funds or an ONS before the optic program of record existed. There are some very special guys who have their own weapons programs separate from big SOCOM; those are the guys with Deltapoints mounted on their MOS3 gen 5 17s or 34s. That is why NSW ditched the P226/P239. Cheaper to get the G19s through the bigger brother. More guns for a cheaper price. Like you mentioned, the more "special" guys are getting DPP's on their Glocks and X5's. |
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Originally Posted By S-1: That is why NSW ditched the P226/P239. Cheaper to get the G19s through the bigger brother. More guns for a cheaper price. Like you mentioned, the more "special" guys are getting DPP's on their Glocks and X5's. Why the DPP. Pretty much everyone I've read about them says they have major issues with battery contacts. |
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The beauty of SOCOM's program management is speed and size. We're not outfitting an entire service, per se -- the buy might be for the Rangers, SF Groups, SEALs, MARSOC, or AFSOC, and if a common requirement or significant joint mission enhancement it can be bought to fulfill an immediate operational need for a particular geography, area, or climate. Once the unit returns, that piece of gear might go into Joint Operational Stocks -- a common loan library for the next guys needing that gadget. If it becomes a known mission requirement and mission essential (i.e., lack of this gadget threatens mission failure), SOCOM buys it for the force with its separate service-like buying powers and budget. The problem with buying a common SOCOM pistol (say a Gen5 19) is the fact it now becomes a SOCOM-only gadget. A common weapon (say M17/18) would be bought by the parent service using their money, and modified with SOCOM dollars -- i.e., Mother Service buys the SIG, SOCOM dollars pay for the bolt-on RMR, light, and suppressor. If SOCOM has to buy the base gun as well, that's fewer dollars for something else (quad-tube NVGs with clip-on thermals, different uniforms for alternate climates, emergency med gear, modifications to the ride in and out of the battle zone, etc.). |
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Originally Posted By Hatr40: So I am a lover of all things Glock. Seeing as how I own 4, the 19's are among my favs of all time. What's strange for whatever set of reasons, is why the Rangers, SEALs, and now Marsoc, have not only gone to Glocks, but the 19. When there are bigger more "combat ready" Glocks made, I wonder why the decision? Here is the video to explain it all...  History of the Glock 19 with U.S. Special Forces |
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I've had a leather one by Bianchi I've used for a while now. I'm really liking the concept, just always wear it and when needed can fit a huge variety of handguns. Bianchi 101 |
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Originally Posted By joglee: Why the DPP. Pretty much everyone I've read about them says they have major issues with battery contacts. My understanding is the larger window of the DPP. Unlike the rest of SOCOM, "Those people" do some things which require use of a pistol as an offensive/ primary weapon. Re the DPP: The issues with battery contacts and other internals coming loose has been resolved on the newer DPPs as of 2 plus years ago. The older models have a green circuit board inside the battery compartment, the newer ruggedized models have a blue circuit board inside the battery compartment. Any of the "Night Vision" models should have the blue board. Another factor is that for all pistol optics, proper mounting is about 50% of the durability and reliability of pistol optics. As such, it's not a coincidence the people using DPPs are using them via the MOS 3 cut specifically for the DPP footprint rather than the generic MOS cut with adapter plates. |
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I gotta know what the story is on the child size adult in the first pic. |
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Originally Posted By joglee: I gotta know what the story is on the child size adult in the first pic. From this event https://www.facebook.com/jfkcenterandschool/posts/227454599428627 |
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