High round count pistols (100,000+) observations (Page 16 of 20)
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Inquiring about the Canik TP9s to this point on the line? And any info on longevity of a Sig SP2022, though that is likely not a common gun. My own TP9 has gone over 6k of barnual steel case with no cleaning or lube whatsoever! Appears to have the most open tolerances of all my 9s despite being one of the most accurate, as all others (sigs, glocks, arex, fn) have required cleaning and/or new springs to keep going. My go to sig p226 is always clean to be sure it will work, but I just like the mechanical test on the others running them dirty, etc... Thinking of cleaning up the TP9 as my go #2. It's been amazing. |
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Originally Posted By wyoak41:
Inquiring about the Canik TP9s to this point on the line? And any info on longevity of a Sig SP2022, though that is likely not a common gun. My own TP9 has gone over 6k of barnual steel case with no cleaning or lube whatsoever! Appears to have the most open tolerances of all my 9s despite being one of the most accurate, as all others (sigs, glocks, arex, fn) have required cleaning and/or new springs to keep going. My go to sig p226 is always clean to be sure it will work, but I just like the mechanical test on the others running them dirty, etc... Thinking of cleaning up the TP9 as my go #2. It's been amazing. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By AJR576:
Curious about this too... Originally Posted By AJR576:
Originally Posted By andeo1025:
Have you had any luck with the gen 4 glocks with changing the rsa earlier, or was the cracking limited to that one batch of guns? V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: The staff do swap them out on a more regular basis and they do last longer. I don't know exact intervals (at home today) but I do notice the slides getting sent back as often. V/R Ron When you have a chance to speak with them, it would be good to know more about the intervals and how that's affecting the average slide life. |
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Originally Posted By boolzi:
Have you guys added the p365 to your fleet? 
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I was hanging out with the armorers the other day and saw a HK USP on the cart for repair. I've never seen one down for repair so I started talking to them and they said that the HK's have gone down but it's usually this one spring. They said this is the weak link on the pistol but I will follow up and ask how many times we've had to replace this spring. V/R Ron 
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I was hanging out with the armorers the other day and saw a HK USP on the cart for repair. I've never seen one down for repair so I started talking to them and they said that the HK's have gone down but it's usually this one spring. They said this is the weak link on the pistol but I will follow up and ask how many times we've had to replace this spring. V/R Ron https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125089/HK_sear_catch_flat_spring-636018.jpg |
| As an HK45 owner I am interested as well, but I'll venture a guess that I'll never put enough rounds through mine to reach the point of that spring breaking. How many rounds were on that HK when it let go? |
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| I am going to try a Canik as a result of the positive results here. Also for you guys who do not get many rounds out of your pistol. Shoot a few matches. The round count runs up quickly. Even with just 3-4 matches a year. |
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Originally Posted By v6pwr:
Walther P99, James Bond's gun...how is this piece doing? More specifically, do you have any 40 S&W versions on the line and how are they holding up? Thanks again for an incredible thread (and priceless resource), HendersonDefense/Battle Field Vegas. |
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Have you guys started using the Gen 5 Glocks? Do you have a round count on them? Which is more requested - 19 or 17? Thanks for any info you have on them....wanted to keep track of this, as if it appears the G4 are the most problematic (but still function)! |
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I may be 100% wrong (which wouldn't be a first! ) - I always thought the Gen4 9mm Glocks were oversprung.Gen 4s are the first Glocks I've had that would occassionally bobble rounds when they were new. I have a gen 4 17 &19. I used my 17 for 3 gun for several years. I stopped counting how many rounds I had through it at just shy of 20k. That was in Anyway, I've seen another competitor's Gen4 with the cracked rear rail, just like in the OP's pictures. I always wondered if the Gen4 9mms were that oversprung that when the slide goes into battery it creates an unusual, or more pressure on slide rail from the frame rail at the rear of the slide? By the way, I haven't changed the recoil spring on my 17 as it passes the Glock recoil spring test. 
Ive also broke 3 RMRs on that G17 since 2015. Thanks to Trijicon's excellent customer service the RMRs were all replaced. |
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Originally Posted By Henny:
I may be 100% wrong (which wouldn't be a first! ) - I always thought the Gen4 9mm Glocks were oversprung.Gen 4s are the first Glocks I've had that would occassionally bobble rounds when they were new. I have a gen 4 17 &19. I used my 17 for 3 gun for several years. I stopped counting how many rounds I had through it at just shy of 20k. That was in Anyway, I've seen another competitor's Gen4 with the cracked rear rail, just like in the OP's pictures. I always wondered if the Gen4 9mms were that oversprung that when the slide goes into battery it creates an unusual, or more pressure on slide rail from the frame rail at the rear of the slide? By the way, I haven't changed the recoil spring on my 17 as it passes the Glock recoil spring test.
Ive also broke 3 RMRs on that G17 since 2015. Thanks to Trijicon's excellent customer service the RMRs were all replaced. |
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Hi folks,
I will get some updates to you guys soon on what we have been up to here on the range. One thing in particular that I know off the top of my head is how well the Canick pistol is running. We finally had a part break in that weapon and Century quickly sent us a replacement part and it's back up and running on the range. The round count on the Canick's are fairly high as they are our "loss leader" pistol that's the cheap gun to shoot. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Hi folks, I will get some updates to you guys soon on what we have been up to here on the range. One thing in particular that I know off the top of my head is how well the Canick pistol is running. We finally had a part break in that weapon and Century quickly sent us a replacement part and it's back up and running on the range. The round count on the Canick's are fairly high as they are our "loss leader" pistol that's the cheap gun to shoot. V/R Ron I would appreciate the update on the round count on these if you can |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Hi folks, I will get some updates to you guys soon on what we have been up to here on the range. One thing in particular that I know off the top of my head is how well the Canick pistol is running. We finally had a part break in that weapon and Century quickly sent us a replacement part and it's back up and running on the range. The round count on the Canick's are fairly high as they are our "loss leader" pistol that's the cheap gun to shoot. V/R Ron Looking forward to hearing about Glock Gen 5’s and Sig P320’s |
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RON - Henderson Defense Funny thing about the Recoil Spring Assembly in the Glocks I remember the early 90's Glocks the RSA was to be changed every 10k rounds. When I took the Glock Armorers Course Back in 08 they said that all RSA should be swapped out at 5k rds for 9mm & 45 and 4k rds for 40, 357, & 10mm. Talked to a Guy that I have known for years and he had attended a course late last year. Glock said now 3k for 9mm 45 and 10mm and 2.5k for 40 357 and 10mm. 
Not saying it is a fix for the 4th gen problems. I have always felt the 4th gen guns were not "Right" just too different. To me the 5th gen 9mm guns are where its at now. Leading up to this. Last I heard the 3rd gen guns are going away. Christmas of 2018 time frame for announcing the ending of all 3rd gen gun production and 2019 being the final year of 3rd gen production. With only servicing 3rd gen to End Of Life of the gun and then offering upgrade to 4th or 5th gen gun depending on caliber. BUT the time frame on that has come and gone and they are still selling with no announcement. The 4th gen was supposedly going to be for 10mm, 45, 40, and 357. 5th gen guns were going to be 9mm and 380 ONLY. What have you heard concerting the 3rd vs. 4th vs. 5th gen Glocks availability in the future. I was at Glock this past week and forgot to ask. 
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Originally Posted By rotorblade:
RON - Henderson Defense Funny thing about the Recoil Spring Assembly in the Glocks I remember the early 90's Glocks the RSA was to be changed every 10k rounds. When I took the Glock Armorers Course Back in 08 they said that all RSA should be swapped out at 5k rds for 9mm & 45 and 4k rds for 40, 357, & 10mm. Talked to a Guy that I have known for years and he had attended a course late last year. Glock said now 3k for 9mm 45 and 10mm and 2.5k for 40 357 and 10mm.
Not saying it is a fix for the 4th gen problems. I have always felt the 4th gen guns were not "Right" just too different. To me the 5th gen 9mm guns are where its at now. Leading up to this. Last I heard the 3rd gen guns are going away. Christmas of 2018 time frame for announcing the ending of all 3rd gen gun production and 2019 being the final year of 3rd gen production. With only servicing 3rd gen to End Of Life of the gun and then offering upgrade to 4th or 5th gen gun depending on caliber. BUT the time frame on that has come and gone and they are still selling with no announcement. The 4th gen was supposedly going to be for 10mm, 45, 40, and 357. 5th gen guns were going to be 9mm and 380 ONLY. What have you heard concerting the 3rd vs. 4th vs. 5th gen Glocks availability in the future. I was at Glock this past week and forgot to ask. |
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Originally Posted By rotorblade:
Talked to a Guy that I have known for years and he had attended a course late last year. Glock said now 3k for 9mm 45 and 10mm and 2.5k for 40 357 and 10mm.  I am BLOW AWAY by the reliability of the Canik pistol on the range. I thought for sure they were going to be breaking left and right and only ONE has experienced a part breaking. I will try to update ASAP regarding which part. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: Wow.. I was not aware of that. We are going to be going through quite a few RSA's then I am BLOW AWAY by the reliability of the Canik pistol on the range. I thought for sure they were going to be breaking left and right and only ONE has experienced a part breaking. I will try to update ASAP regarding which part. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense: Wow.. I was not aware of that. We are going to be going through quite a few RSA's then I am BLOW AWAY by the reliability of the Canik pistol on the range. I thought for sure they were going to be breaking left and right and only ONE has experienced a part breaking. I will try to update ASAP regarding which part. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Hi folks, I will get some updates to you guys soon on what we have been up to here on the range. One thing in particular that I know off the top of my head is how well the Canick pistol is running. We finally had a part break in that weapon and Century quickly sent us a replacement part and it's back up and running on the range. The round count on the Canick's are fairly high as they are our "loss leader" pistol that's the cheap gun to shoot. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By Henny:
I always thought the Gen4 9mm Glocks were oversprung. By the way, I haven't changed the recoil spring on my 17 as it passes the recoil spring test. Ive also broke 3 RMRs on that G17 since 2015. |
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Originally Posted By Holdemdown:
Reference? https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/broken-glock-frame-rail.653927/ |
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Originally Posted By Holdemdown:
The "Internet" is not a reference. It's not as problematic as your post insinuates. Back on topic Henderson, will you be adding gen5 Glocks? It's amusing when people say the internet is not a reference...on the internet. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: That's all I ever need to know about S&W. A failure of no longer functioning correctly, I could forgive due to the heavy usage. But if the failure mode of high round count use is this - yea, I'm done. Coupled with failure to repair? Wow. |
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Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
I never said it was problematic. Ignore the facts if you wish. It's amusing when people say the internet is not a reference...on the internet. |