[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Official CT Preban Thread (Page 3 of 4)
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Hehehe. Who said it was a gray one. It's all black.hink So if I use the lower , so I still need to keep the pre-ban upper or can I get rid of it then. I pretty much just bought the whole rifle to use the lower anyways with a folding/tele stock and have a threaded barrel for a FH/COMP and in the future a can. <EDIT> decided to sell the preban rifle instead. |
I would keep it if I were you. Like I said before, you can put a collapsoble stock on it, and any kind of upper you want. If you go back to a postban lower you have to have a fixed stock, no bayonett lug, no threaded barrel or flash suppressor. And you can never have a silencer on it. If you use the lower you can shit can your upper and get any one you want. The only combination that is a no go is a Preban upper on a Postban lower. Not the other way around. Anyone on here will tell you to keep that lower. Even the ones who want to buy it from you because I would assume we are all stand up guys here 
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To tell the truth i don't really like the collapsable stock. i mean if I ever shoot it it will be fully extended anyways. The can part does sound tempting for future though, and I already have a perm mounted comp on my other tactical AR15. http://www.athomepc.net/test/Nuke's-Finished-AR15-web2.jpg |
| Even if you are planning on using an A2 fixed stock. With a preban you can have the other features on the upper, threaded barrel most importantly. You can sell this lower any day of the week, but to buy another one will cost you and they are not always available. It's worth hanging on to just so you have the options available. I shoot with the M4 stock fully extended as well, being that I am almost 6"2". But I like the fact that it can collapse down for storage in a smaller case and can adjust depending on how many layers of clothes or gear you are wearing. |
Hmm.. Great points. ok I'll take the pre-ban lower off the rifle and keep it and just sell the rest. The rifle in the pic has a pinned stock and a perm attached comp. I replaced the fakepoint with an eotech 512 now. Much better. Dang looks like I'll have to deface the pre-ban lower with another punisher decal. |
You will not regret keeping it. Preban lower - $400-$800 Not having to cut the nuts off your Black Rifle - PRICELESS. |
A preban lower can be configured any way you want. The area of interpretation that we (maybe I am the only one) all don't agree on is whether or not you can take a stripped lower that was never assembled into an assault weapon configuration before the ban and make an assault weapon out of it after the 9/13/1994 date. Since your rifle was configured as an assault weapon, by the CT definition, when you received it, then we can assume it was assembled as an Assault Weapon before the ban (but it would be nice to have a letter stating that fact) and it can be configured any way you like. As others have pointed out, the gunstore person (owner, clerk, patron??) is obviously missinformed. Kevin |
To water it down even more, and cause even more controversy... The CT AWB which provides the 9/14/94 exemption wasn't even put into place until 2001.  |
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After the sunset of the FED AWB, right? |
Fed Sunset was in 2004, I think they saw the writing on the wall all the way back in '01 though. They tried to pass a Caliban style AWB and ended up with a mirror of the Fed ban. |
Then you violated Federal Law in order to build it. |
2004, thats right. Long day at work for me. |
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I can think of five gun shops (NGX, JoJos, D'Adreas, K5 and Bethany) where I have seen preban lowers with new uppers on them for sale. Do you honestly think that Larry at NGX is going to put his business on the line without running this by an attorney. You have stated your opinion at least six times as to what you believe is an acceptable preban rifle. I disagree with your opinion. With the Federal ban gone, the only part of the firearm that matters is the receiver as that is the firearm. Just like a Thompson contender, the frame is the receiver, with an FAL it is the upper receiver that is registered. I do agree with you that you should keep some kind of letter or documentation stating that the receiver was made prior to 9/13/94. |
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If a magazine is perm. attached to an AR lower, could all the features then be added to that rifle? This would be ideal for me as I would like to build a collection with out spending a fortune on preban lowers. My plan is to mig weld a stop onto the mag-release button rendering it inoperable. Then I could build the AR the way I want it, and if/when I move to friendly state, all I'll have to do is hack-off the release button and replace it rather than replacing barrels, buttstocks, etc. I wouldn't mind having to crack the receivers apart to load the rifle if I could then add a FH, suppressor, etc. I already have a preban if I want to practice quick mag changes. |
Yes you could have all the features if the mag was perm attached. |
Take a look at this if you are interested in a fixed mag setup with no modification to the reciever. It meets california spec. |
Thats actually not a bad idea. $109 for a stag lower. $20 for the fixed magazine kit. So for under $1200 you can have ten lower recievers ready to accept all assault features. Then if you move to a free state or the CT AWB ever gets repealed ( ) you just swap the kits for a standard magazine release and you have a whole collection of preban config guns. Lets say you want to but 10 prebans at an average cost of, we'll say $450 a piece, thats $4500 just in lowers!I think you may be on to something here. It allows you to increse your collection without spending all the extra money on prebans. And if you have a few prebans you can always swap uppers on them to allow mag drops. You got some gears turning in my head now......Espicially if either of the two on the left get elected 
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Nice! I'm going to order one for $20 just to see exactly how it is made. |
No, not me either. I am looking at it as a way to build more guns for the same price as you could in a free state. That way if you ever moved you could just pop the magazine lock off and have a bunch of preban config ARs ready to go. Just a way to build up the collection and have all your evil features intact without breaking the bank. I still have a few prebans that I would actually shoot. Plus you could always rotate your uppers to the prebans to go to the range with. How many ARs are you really going to bring to the range at the same time anyways? Unless you like cleaning that is
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Exactly.  Let me know how that kit works. I'll keep you posted on my progress. |
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I have a few questions that seem to fall in the gray area of the CT statutes. 1) Railed handguards. I've seen bayonet bolts attached to the bottom rail on a hand guard. Also, I've seen faux noise suppressors fasten to the inside of a threaded hand guard (I can't seem to find the site where this is sold though). So, would a railed handguard alone be a part designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon? Seeing as a threaded barrel designed to accomodate a flash suppressor is illegal, even without a flash suppressor mounted, leads me to believe that anything on the weapon that could easily have a flash suppressor attached would also be illegal. I imagine a railed ff guard w/ no bayonet mount, and no threads to accomodate a suppressor/hider of any type would be legal so long as I am not im possesion of the parts to form/mount either, but I'd like to be sure. 2) Forward vertical grips (i.e. the type attached to a rail on a handguard) . Would this be considered a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon? Basically, would an AR with a rifle type rear grip and a vertical forward grip be allowed to have another evil bit, such as a flash hider? Or would the vertical forward grip be considered the one allowable evil bit? If it's considered a pistol grip, are you allowed to have one in conjunction with a rear pistol grip behind the trigger? |
Railed handguards are fine. A rail is not the same as a bayonet lug. I guess if the handguard had a bayonet lug on it, that wouldn't be OK. A threaded barrel is illegal and so is a flash suppressor. Anything that you could somehow secure a flash hider to that isn't a threaded barrel is OK, unless of course you were to put a flash suppressor on it. A vertical grip is not a pistol grip because it's not below the action of the weapon. It would be OK to have a vertical front grip with a regular rifle type rear stock, but this doesn't really apply to ARs as they have pistol grips by design. |
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A threaded barrel or flash suppressor is not illegal. It is just another feature on the list. On a postban AR15 a flash suppressor/threaded barrel is illegal, on a ruger 10/22 in standard configuration it is not. Also a flash hider and threaded barrel count as a single feature. So if you have a threaded barrel and then screw on a flash hider it is still only ONE feature not two. Railed hand guards are perfectly legal. If you somehow attach a bayonet lug to one on an AR15 the lug makes it illegal not the rails. As far as a hand guard threaded on the inside to accept a silencer, I have never seen one. You may be thinking of a a short barrel rifle with a silencer and a hand guard that extends past the point where the barrel threads are. Forward vertical grips are only illegal on handguns. When you have a semi automatic weapon the detachable magazine is not an "evil feature." A semi automatic WITH a detachable magazine is now subject to the evil feature count. Parts to convert a weapon into an assault weapon would include a flash hider, collapsible stock, etc. The thing about this is If you have a preban AR15 and a postban AR15 you are technically in violation of this rule. Since the parts installed on your preban can technically be used to convert your postban into an illegal assault weapon. Don't worry about this because it can not be enforced. It is just part of the convoluted statute. If you only have a postban AR15 the make sure you don't have a collapsible or folding stock for it. A postban AR15 rifle is a semi automatic rifle with a detachable magazine. It is therefore limited to ONE "assault or evil feature." By design it has a pistol grip and that is the only feature it can have. Collapsible/folding stock, threaded barrel/flash hider and bayonet lug are not allowed. If you have a preban AR15 made before 9.14.94, then you are exempt from these AWB rules. |
The lower can NOT be marked "Colt AR15 or Sporter." The lower has to be manufactured before 9.14.94. That is all. The upper is not what has to meet the date. The lower is considered the firearm. If the lower is manufactured after 9.14.94 then it has to be post ban compliant. No flash hider, no threaded barrel, no collapsible or folding stock and no bayonet lug. If manufactured before 9.14.94 you can legally have all those features. |
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I was shooting today at Wooster and two RSO's and one FFL told me that my "Preban" Bushmaster was illegal? They said there is no such thing as a "non papered" PB in CT. Without reading this 6 page thread could someone please quote me the line in the CT law that says I can own, sell or transfer a pree 1994 non Colt AR-15 or other named firearm in the state? Please. I found the info on page #1. Amazing that Range Officers and FFLs don't know actual laws but act like they do!!!! |
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God I hate this/these stupid state law(s). Anyhoo, it seems the popular pre-ban lower offerings in my neck of the woods are Bushie, Eagle Arms, and Essential Arms. Just curious if anyone here has a preference for any of the makes? I have a new Bushie gas-piston upper with all the evil features so it needs a pre-ban lower. |
I am not a big Bushmaster guy. I think people ask too much money for them and they are no better than the others. I like Eagle Arms but the magwells are a little tight, they are not compatible with my Black Dog Machine .22LR polymer mags. PWA is my overall favorite preban. |
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Is there anything that mentions what qulifies a wepaon as "accepting a detachable magazine"? I wonder if the California locking devices would be acceptable. The ones I saw before were cumbersome but I just saw one that replcaes your entire magazine release and works as a normal release until you turn it with an allen wrench, then it locks. When locked, the magazine can't be removed without a tool(the allen wrench), which satisfies CA law. I don't regularly make fast magazine changes, and wouldn't mind having to turn a screw every 30 rounds if it would allow me to have a telescoping stock. Any thoughts? |
Yes, since the model is still the M82A series, just a different, shorter variant. You can get a Bolt-action non Semi auto version of the 50cal Barret and those are fine though.
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I know this sounds like a completely n00b question, but pre / post ban rules apply to the 10/22 as well, correct? I assume so as it is a self loader and the convoluted laws in CT. Anyway, I was looking to get a 10/22 and building it up with a stock system like the nordic system of the krinker plinker. Say if I where to get something like the nordic system, it would be legal as long as I kept it a fixed stock, no threaded barrel / flash supressor and no bayo lug, correct? Just keeping the ability to accept detachable box magazines and the pistol grip would be the only things I could keep and I would be good to go. Dancing around laws sucks...thanks for your help in advance. |
Many shops probably don't even think about charging a premium for pre-ban versions of models like the 10/22. When most people think of pre-bans, they think of the traditional assault style weapons. I paid $130 for my 10/22 this past winter. I just bought it because it was in very good condition and a decent price. I didn't even realize it was pre-ban until I looked up the serial number and found out it was built in 1993. I never would have thought to shop for a pre-ban 10/22 because I didn't really know the AWB as well as I do now. |
| It's funny how that works. A preban AR or preban AK style draw big bucks. Preband 10/22s are also known as old used 10/22s. It's the best selling gun in america so there is an abundance of them. There may be some mark ups on them from dealers but if I were to buy one.... I would offer to buy someone a brand new 10/22 and trade it for the old one. Same with a mini 14/30. Most people who have 10/22s are not planning on maxing out the feature count anyways so they would be glad to have a brand new gun for an old one. |