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Thank you all for your input on here. This input has made my choice easy and I ordered my M3 clone and some magpul buis from Primary Arms last night.
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Magnifier mounts are in the house and all back orders have been shipped.
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+1 for Marshall Thanks man I received my M3 clone in the mail today and my Magpul BUIS. They all look really good and I look forward to testing out the dot tomorrow on the range.
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Marsh,
I ordered one of your M3 clones on Friday and it arrived today. I am impressed with the quality of this sight and with the speed that I recieved it. Thank you. I will be buying one of your micro dots when they come in. Great service! |
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My critiquing of the M3 copy...
Got my M3 tonight, thought I had something wrong but I find you can't have the adjustment caps at a perfect 12:00 & 9/3:00 positions like a scope with the provided Cantilever mount. Not enough clearance for the battery cap. Not a down gripe, still is functional and once I sight it in I'm not about to make elevation corrections anyway, I'll just lock it in for 50yd zero and keep it that way. I find my vision problem follows this Optic too, when the light is turned up I see a cluster of lights. But when viewed thru the irons (Co-witnessing) with the small objective it's a perfectly round dot. I don't know why I thought this optic was powered by a AA battery ?!? Where did I think that? Is the M4 type powered by a AA ? Again, not complaining, just my observations. Thanks Marshall, Great Service Once Again!!! |
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My critiquing of the M3 copy... Got my M3 tonight, thought I had something wrong but I find you can't have the adjustment caps at a perfect 12:00 & 9/3:00 positions like a scope with the provided Cantilever mount. Not enough clearance for the battery cap. Not a down gripe, still is functional and once I sight it in I'm not about to make elevation corrections anyway, I'll just lock it in for 50yd zero and keep it that way. I find my vision problem follows this Optic too, when the light is turned up I see a cluster of lights. But when viewed thru the irons (Co-witnessing) with the small objective it's a perfectly round dot. I don't know why I thought this optic was powered by a AA battery ?!? Where did I think that? Is the M4 type powered by a AA ? Again, not complaining, just my observations. Thanks Marshall, Great Service Once Again!!! Email me about the mount. Common issue with the cluster. You see these posts every week about Aimpoints and EOTechs. 1: If you wear glasses, put them on. 2: Look at the target not the dot. 3: Don't turn it up real high inside. You will get a reflection (same with real Aimpoints) Out side the ambient light will drown out the reflection when you turn it up. 4: Did I say look at the target not the dot. LOL Only the M4 style uses AA batteries. |
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My critiquing of the M3 copy... Got my M3 tonight, thought I had something wrong but I find you can't have the adjustment caps at a perfect 12:00 & 9/3:00 positions like a scope with the provided Cantilever mount. Not enough clearance for the battery cap. Not a down gripe, still is functional and once I sight it in I'm not about to make elevation corrections anyway, I'll just lock it in for 50yd zero and keep it that way. I find my vision problem follows this Optic too, when the light is turned up I see a cluster of lights. But when viewed thru the irons (Co-witnessing) with the small objective it's a perfectly round dot. I don't know why I thought this optic was powered by a AA battery ?!? Where did I think that? Is the M4 type powered by a AA ? Again, not complaining, just my observations. Thanks Marshall, Great Service Once Again!!! Email me about the mount. Common issue with the cluster. You see these posts every week about Aimpoints and EOTechs. 1: If you wear glasses, put them on. 2: Look at the target not the dot. 3: Don't turn it up real high inside. You will get a reflection (same with real Aimpoints) Out side the ambient light will drown out the reflection when you turn it up. 4: Did I say look at the target not the dot. LOL Only the M4 style uses AA batteries. Understood about my peepers... I kinda figures it was my eyes... I emailed you with pics on the mount, I didn't think there was anything that could be done about it not sitting perfectly vertical so I already mounted the optic. |
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My critiquing of the M3 copy... Got my M3 tonight, thought I had something wrong but I find you can't have the adjustment caps at a perfect 12:00 & 9/3:00 positions like a scope with the provided Cantilever mount. Not enough clearance for the battery cap. Not a down gripe, still is functional and once I sight it in I'm not about to make elevation corrections anyway, I'll just lock it in for 50yd zero and keep it that way. I find my vision problem follows this Optic too, when the light is turned up I see a cluster of lights. But when viewed thru the irons (Co-witnessing) with the small objective it's a perfectly round dot. I don't know why I thought this optic was powered by a AA battery ?!? Where did I think that? Is the M4 type powered by a AA ? Again, not complaining, just my observations. Thanks Marshall, Great Service Once Again!!! Email me about the mount. Common issue with the cluster. You see these posts every week about Aimpoints and EOTechs. 1: If you wear glasses, put them on. 2: Look at the target not the dot. 3: Don't turn it up real high inside. You will get a reflection (same with real Aimpoints) Out side the ambient light will drown out the reflection when you turn it up. 4: Did I say look at the target not the dot. LOL Only the M4 style uses AA batteries. Understood about my peepers... I kinda figures it was my eyes... I emailed you with pics on the mount, I didn't think there was anything that could be done about it not sitting perfectly vertical so I already mounted the optic. Here's the best pic again http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/JeffCsr/652969e4.jpg A replacement mount will go out tomorrow. |
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Got mine yesterday mounted it, bore sited and will put a few rounds down range in the AM in the bright Arizona sunshine god I love 4 day work weeks
great shipping time I ordered on Friday in the afternoon. |
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Hey Marsh did I understand correctly that you offer an M3 Clone with multiple reticles but it's out of stock till late October? I see the M4 clone has 4 interchangeable reticles on your website but I can't find an M3 Clone that does. Do you offer such a product and if so does it cost the same? Thanks a ton.
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Hey Marsh did I understand correctly that you offer an M3 Clone with multiple reticles but it's out of stock till late October? I see the M4 clone has 4 interchangeable reticles on your website but I can't find an M3 Clone that does. Do you offer such a product and if so does it cost the same? Thanks a ton. Brodi I took it off the web site because we were so far out from the next order when we ran out. They are $99 with the low mount. |
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just to answer the person asking about the M3 multi, yup, it's got a dot, donut and dot, small but solid + and small donut with no dot but the outer portion of a + coming from the donut. While that last one seems cool, I find it's often more annoying than anything else, if it's bright enough to be quick it's too bright to actually SEE what's inside the circle. This of course depends on the environment, in a brighter area and with more distinct targets that might be less of an issue. I find myself using the donut and dot and the dot alone. The + is nice and solid but I find the donut perfect for fast indexing and the dot best for more precision. The dot is smaller than the + in thickness, or at least appears to be.
Anyway, I've got almost 1k through mine now with no issues. On and off the rifle with minimal POI change using the cantilever mount. I'm planning on getting a magnifier on a swing mount to go with it once finances catch up with other projects. |
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All. The recent order of cantilever mounts has a little thicker top rail. This causes it to hit the battery cap if the sight is dead level. I am waiting for a update from the factory. If you received one and it is a issue go ahead and mount the optics for now and I will replace it when teh corrected ones come in. The non canted are fine. I removed the cant option until I get a update from the factory. Marshall I noticed this with my M3 I just got. Any guess as to when you will get the corrected ones in? |
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All. The recent order of cantilever mounts has a little thicker top rail. This causes it to hit the battery cap if the sight is dead level. I am waiting for a update from the factory. If you received one and it is a issue go ahead and mount the optics for now and I will replace it when teh corrected ones come in. The non canted are fine. I removed the cant option until I get a update from the factory. Marshall I noticed this with my M3 I just got. Any guess as to when you will get the corrected ones in? Not yet but send me a email and I will let you know when the replacements get here. |
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All. The recent order of cantilever mounts has a little thicker top rail. This causes it to hit the battery cap if the sight is dead level. I am waiting for a update from the factory. If you received one and it is a issue go ahead and mount the optics for now and I will replace it when teh corrected ones come in. The non canted are fine. I removed the cant option until I get a update from the factory. Marshall http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb190/marsh2001/topcap.jpg I have this problem too. Email sent. |
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Why would one get the M3 clone over the M4?
I'm a noob to AR's and I have no idea which is better or worse? I'm planning on mounting one of these to my S&W MP15 22LR THanks |
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Ok quick question since I have something alittle different going on. I have a Eotech 512 mounted on a Larue Riser. The Riser has a raised rail section at the rear. Larue makes a "low" mag mount that mounts to this raised rail and puts it even with the eotech. Will the larue "low" mag mount grab your 3x mag correctly? Will it position it right?
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Ok quick question since I have something alittle different going on. I have a Eotech 512 mounted on a Larue Riser. The Riser has a raised rail section at the rear. Larue makes a "low" mag mount that mounts to this raised rail and puts it even with the eotech. Will the larue "low" mag mount grab your 3x mag correctly? Will it position it right? That rail section on your mount is used for a PVS-14 night vision unit mount. You can put a Aimpoint magnifier in that mount but not the EOTech style like ours. The LaRue EOTech LT-670EO 3X mount works great with our 3X but you would have to loose the riser. |
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Why would one get the M3 clone over the M4? I'm a noob to AR's and I have no idea which is better or worse? I'm planning on mounting one of these to my S&W MP15 22LR THanks Just personal preference. The M4 uses AA batteries and has four reticles, The M3 style is a single 4 MOA dot. I need to get a tacked thread that covers this in more detail. Give me a call and will walk you through it in more detail. Marshall 713.346-5121 |
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All. The recent order of cantilever mounts has a little thicker top rail. This causes it to hit the battery cap if the sight is dead level. I am waiting for a update from the factory. If you received one and it is a issue go ahead and mount the optics for now and I will replace it when teh corrected ones come in. The non canted are fine. I removed the cant option until I get a update from the factory. Marshall http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb190/marsh2001/topcap.jpg I have more info. They made the top strap bigger and the battery caps smaller. The obvious probelm is our current inventory of M3 has the old syle cap. Replacement top staps will be here late October. They did have a order of M3s ready that were going to ship with other products next month. They are going to try and get them out before they close for a big holiday tomorrow. |
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By far some of the best customer support I have ever encountered! Marshall called me with an update on my order while we were waiting on mount and then shipped the product super-fast! We had a little confusion on the mount but he immediately sent me the correct one and it too arrived in 2 days! Then, when I emailed Marshall with a (stupid) question, he was quick to give a detailed, helpful answer.
I just mounted my and for those of you who are stuck in the mid-90s like me the low mount on a carry handle z-mount will get you a good 1/3 co-witness: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3628/img3806v.jpg |
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Hello,
I have a DPMS 7.62 sportical and want to order one of these with the magnifier, which mount option will I need. The site says something about being out of the canti mounts.. |
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Yes, you would need a cantilever mount so that there would be enough room for the magnifier. We are out of those right now but will be gettin some in very soon. We will pist when they have arrived.
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Got my M3, great service, fast shipping. Ordered thursday, got it saturday. Feels solid. Cant wait to shoot with it. |
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any idea when the canitlever mounts will be back in stock? waiting to order an M3 clone....
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EDIT: We have the new lower battery caps comming next week that are compatable with the new cant mounts we have in house.
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Got mine yesterday mounted it, bore sited and will put a few rounds down range in the AM in the bright Arizona sunshine god I love 4 day work weeks great shipping time I ordered on Friday in the afternoon. UPDATE: got out to the range this morning ( dam flu has had me down ) had it on paper first group of 3 using the bore site method. 3 more 3 shot groups and a cool down, I was keeping 2 inch groups at fifty meters when all was said and done, shot 35 more rounds just plinking at the 200m gong and call it a day seemed to hold zero. Nice product for the money spent Thanks |
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Question: how stout are the cantilever mounts? I like a forward mount, but I'm thinking about putting one of these M3 clones on a flattop that doesn't have a forward rail. I've never used a cantilevered mount before, and I'm concerned about rigidity and durability.
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If you are talking about the multi reticle M3 style we just ran out. More are on order but not due until late October, at the earliest.
Is this still accurate - late October for the next shipment of multi reticle M3 style sights? |
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If you are talking about the multi reticle M3 style we just ran out. More are on order but not due until late October, at the earliest.
Is this still accurate - late October for the next shipment of multi reticle M3 style sights? There is really no way to be 100% sure but that is the latest. ETA. |
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Thanks, Marshall! I've been reading a lot about your products, and I'm tremendously impressed with the reports I'm finding about your customer service. I have two carbines that need inexpensive optical sights - a 9mm AR and a M4 - and the biggest problem I'm having is deciding which of your sights to order!
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+10000000000 for Marshall and Nick!!
I am a customer for life!! thanks so much! |
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If you are talking about the multi reticle M3 style we just ran out. More are on order but not due until late October, at the earliest.
Is this still accurate - late October for the next shipment of multi reticle M3 style sights? There is really no way to be 100% sure but that is the latest. ETA. Marshall, Is this still correct? It looks like in another thread you mentioned it's now a mid-November ETA... Thanks! |
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no, sorry.. Just register on our website and sign up for the email updates and we will send one out and post on ar15.com when we get them in. Thanks
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This is my review from another forum. It was convincing enough for someone to buy one.
The ONLY thing that is noticeably Chinese is the mount. The threads are classic Chinese 8yr old girl tapped threads. The metal and finish on the mount is also of Chinese quality. I banged around on the optic where it mounts, didn't harm the finish one bit. It's one of those finishes that you feel and look at, and know it's good. I was expecting the threads on the windage/elevation caps to be classic Chinese shit. Wrong. Very, very smooth threads. The windage and elevation knobs are solid, audibly click, and are very obvious by feel when they click. Very positive adjustment, not by any means harsh/tight/loose. I was expecting a big, gaudy, super reflective red dot. Wrong. Very concentrated dot, not big by any means. When it's cranked to the brightest setting, there is a slight glow inside the tube. Hell, real Aimpoints may do this, I don't know, but it didn't bother me. I thought the glass would be a foggy green or brown. Wrong. Very crisp and clear with a very slight tint of blue/green. To top it off, I ordered this Tuesday, it was on my door step in Pennsylvania on Thursday. I was amazed. You guys are awesome. I will without a doubt be a future customer. It is the simple things you provide, that make you stand out. http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/sdmf_rebel/STA70122.jpg |
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This is my review from another forum. It was convincing enough for someone to buy one. The ONLY thing that is noticeably Chinese is the mount. The threads are classic Chinese 8yr old girl tapped threads. The metal and finish on the mount is also of Chinese quality. I banged around on the optic where it mounts, didn't harm the finish one bit. It's one of those finishes that you feel and look at, and know it's good. I was expecting the threads on the windage/elevation caps to be classic Chinese shit. Wrong. Very, very smooth threads. The windage and elevation knobs are solid, audibly click, and are very obvious by feel when they click. Very positive adjustment, not by any means harsh/tight/loose. I was expecting a big, gaudy, super reflective red dot. Wrong. Very concentrated dot, not big by any means. When it's cranked to the brightest setting, there is a slight glow inside the tube. Hell, real Aimpoints may do this, I don't know, but it didn't bother me. I thought the glass would be a foggy green or brown. Wrong. Very crisp and clear with a very slight tint of blue/green. To top it off, I ordered this Tuesday, it was on my door step in Pennsylvania on Thursday. I was amazed. You guys are awesome. I will without a doubt be a future customer. It is the simple things you provide, that make you stand out. http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/sdmf_rebel/STA70122.jpg My real Aimpoint relflects more than my PA. Also, the first 2 setting on my Aimpoint are useless. I actually like my PA M4 better than my Aimpoint. I also like my Eotech 511 better than my Aimpoint. I hate the adjustment screws on my Aimpoint. They ARE CHEESE!! . And don't tell me it's a fake Aimpoint, It's real... Trust me. Just not sure what all the hoopla is about Aimpoints is. |
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My real Aimpoint relflects more than my PA. Also, the first 2 setting on my Aimpoint are useless. I actually like my PA M4 better than my Aimpoint. I also like my Eotech 511 better than my Aimpoint. I hate the adjustment screws on my Aimpoint. They ARE CHEESE!! . And don't tell me it's a fake Aimpoint, It's real... Trust me. Just not sure what all the hoopla is about Aimpoints is. I agree, my Aimpoint reflects more on the highest setting also but it may be because it is a little brighter on the highest setting. If you have an Aimpoint M2 then the first two settings are dim so that it won't washout a Night Vision monocular when running one behind the Aimpoint. That said, I really like my Primary Arms M3 also! Great sight for the money, I can't wait 'til the micro sights are back in stock. ARKAR |
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I just wanted to post a few pics of my AR with all of my Primary Arms gear.. Very happy, great stuff... Thanks guys!
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hey ddonaldon66, how secure is that cantilever mount on your rail? does it seem to have any play?
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When will the high cant mounts be instock for the m3's.... and are there any plans to have them for the M4? The M4 is the one I really want, but it has to be mounted on a top rail with a magnifier and a rear buis.
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When will the high cant mounts be instock for the m3's.... and are there any plans to have them for the M4? The M4 is the one I really want, but it has to be mounted on a top rail with a magnifier and a rear buis. We should have the new cant mounts next week. No cant option in the works for the M4 but we will have more multi reticle M3s in soon. |
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There is a new side mount to AKs from Kalinka that looks like they will co-witness with Aimpoints, especially after you modify to center more over the bore centerline. Unfortunately with my Strikefire, the elevation ladders have to be lifted up all the way to 500m+ in order for me to get any co-witness when I drop down to irons. As far as I can tell seems that the problem isn't with the objective lens size of the Strikefire since it sits below the rear sight, it is maybe with the ocular lens size (I could be wrong though). I'm considering ordering a M3 Clone as a proof of concept until I can get an Aimpoint, but it looks like in the comparison pics that the ocular is smaller than an Aimpoint. Marshall do you know how these two compare since I can't find the ocular diameter of Aimpoints anywhere and everybody else if my theory is sound?
Just for reference here is pics of the mount before the centerline modification: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/Snake122/100_2570.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y36/Snake122/100_2580.jpg |
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I will take some measurements when I get to the shop tomorrow.
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I want to say a couple things...
1. I placed an order for a M3 clone on Tuesday morning. 2. I recieved it Thursday morning...super fast shipping, I'm not sure Marsh didn't drive it straight here in his pajamas. A+ 3. The product is awesome, fit and finish is very nice. A++ 4. Cantilever mount is rock solid on my rail, and I found that by placing the optic all the way forward in the mount I am able to access the battery compartment without loosening the mount or rotating the optic, very nice. A+++ 5. The glass is clear and blemish free. A++++ I don't have a range report yet, I will post something after I put a couple hundred rounds through it to see how it holds zero. |
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