[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt Ambi Safeties in stock at AU (Page 1 of 3)
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Just got one. Never seen anything like it before. The long leg is not ambi, there is no short leg, there is no Cage code. Looks like a nice ambi safety. Maybe Colt has a new model for civilians. I have pics but do not subscribe to a service to upload. Happy to send to someone. It looks like a quality item, so, for $44, it will get used. |
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Looks the same as this... https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016766459?pid=451138 Both legs are same length. |
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Attached File Attached File FWIW, the 3 position ambi is listed as: With full size and short lever |
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Quoted: Looks the same as this... https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016766459?pid=451138 Both legs are same length. Yeah, that’s what I got. Looks like Colt has changed their configuration. |
| I don’t think Colt changed anything. The one with long levers on both sides looks like a basic run of the mill Schmid Tool ambi which can be bought at BoTach for less money. What are the notches like on the right side lever? All those made for Colt have a wide notch and a narrow notch for the short lever. So if these new ones are really Colt then I would expect there to be a wide and narrow notch. |
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Quoted: I don’t think Colt changed anything. The one with long levers on both sides looks like a basic run of the mill Schmid Tool ambi which can be bought at BoTach for less money. What are the notches like on the right side lever? All those made for Colt have a wide notch and a narrow notch for the short lever. So if these new ones are really Colt then I would expect there to be a wide and narrow notch. Yeah I have to agree with quicksilvergoat04 on this. Main leaver not reversible and no short lever I’d also have to say there just Schmid tool ambi selectors which is a shame if AU is trying to get over on people. My buddy ordered a few before they changed the picture and stated 2 long levers in the description. I’ll post pic’s once he receives them. |
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Quoted: I don’t think Colt changed anything. The one with long levers on both sides looks like a basic run of the mill Schmid Tool ambi which can be bought at BoTach for less money. What are the notches like on the right side lever? All those made for Colt have a wide notch and a narrow notch for the short lever. So if these new ones are really Colt then I would expect there to be a wide and narrow notch. Attached File |
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Quoted: Yeah I have to agree with quicksilvergoat04 on this. Main leaver not reversible and no short lever I’d also have to say there just Schmid tool ambi selectors which is a shame if AU is trying to get over on people. My buddy ordered a few before they changed the picture and stated 2 long levers in the description. I’ll post pic’s once he receives them. Wouldn't be the first time AU put a fucking to buyers. |
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Well, it looks like AU changed the pic. The pic I bought from had a short side and a long side. But the screw was hidden. The original pic showed what looks like a standard ambi safety. Mine has a long leg that is not reversible. I think that has always been Colt’s sting suit. And my left side is long, not short like other Colt . And not CAGE code engraving. So, not sure what happened. I have seen other dealers selling what AU is selling, but it could be that Colt CR civilian has changed and AU is on cutting edge. Fir me, the safety they sold me is fine. I am thinking it is not Colt, but $44 is a fair price. I am mean, real Colt is going to cost $70 give or take, from what I have seen. But, these guys sell lowers as SBRs, so if you want an SBR, it is cool that they offer that. I have never understood how a lower can be sold as an SBR. A buddy bought an 11.5” lower and the paperwork showed 14.5” lower. Seems like they cut corners but still offer good stuff. I don’t care if it is Colt. I can use it |
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Quoted: But, these guys sell lowers as SBRs, so if you want an SBR, it is cool that they offer that. I have never understood how a lower can be sold as an SBR. A buddy bought an 11.5” lower and the paperwork showed 14.5” lower. Seems like they cut corners but still offer good stuff. Quoted: But, these guys sell lowers as SBRs, so if you want an SBR, it is cool that they offer that. I have never understood how a lower can be sold as an SBR. A buddy bought an 11.5” lower and the paperwork showed 14.5” lower. Seems like they cut corners but still offer good stuff. You seemed to have an idea in THIS THREAD Quoted: Just normal business. Colt manufacturers an SBR, files a Form 2 (as I recall) and presto, no on the NFA registry, ships to any number of dealers or distributors on. Form 3, and that happens pretty fast. Dealer sells to me on Form 4 and I wait 7 months, or dealer “delists” and asks the ATF to remove from the registry. In fact if dealer sells the lower, dealer technically does not “need” to delist, the lower, by definition is no longer a rifle. On the dealers books he has to move fro Tittle 2 to Title 1 and from rifle to lower and then out the door as a lower. |
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Always hard when you mix and match threads. I totally get how a dealer would delist and SBR and sell the lower. No issue. What I don’t understand is how a dealer can sell a lower as an SBR and even have a barrel length. A lower is no longer an SBR. But, off topic on the thread. My comment was that the amb-safety I got today was of fine quality. It seems it is either a different new Colt variety or the seller mislabeled. I am not unhappy with the product. I think it is a fine product at the price. The other commentary is that the seller seems to play a little lose with definitions. Is that from everything going so fast and working long hours, or is it something else. I read last nights about a Mk12 a while back. Not sure what to think, but happy with my mislabeled product. |
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Quoted: So, not sure what happened. I have seen other dealers selling what AU is selling, but it could be that Colt CR civilian has changed and AU is on cutting edge. Fir me, the safety they sold me is fine. I am thinking it is not Colt, but $44 is a fair price. I am mean, real Colt is going to cost $70 give or take, from what I have seen. That sucks seems like AU is just getting greedy. Selector on right purchased from AU 2 months ago $44 and the selectors on left purchased at the same time from brownells $49.99 both have cage codes. Attached File |
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Quoted: That sucks seems like AU is just getting greedy. Selector on right purchased from AU 2 months ago $44 and the selectors on left purchased at the same time from brownells $49.99 both have cage codes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/236598/F13C4F7C-0F4E-48E7-BD6F-801B72811515_jpe-1907767.JPG I must be living in time warp. I ha e not seen Brownells ever sell a complete Comt ambi safety set (seen them sell parts), and it has been 3 years since I have seen AU sell a complete kit. A while back I bought the parts and each leg was $30, give or take and the screw em was $9, so $70 in total. But your pic on left is a full auto safety. I have seen those a lot less. But they will spin in a semi-auto. I cannot tell, but maybe the right pic is also full auto? Honestly, I have not seen prices at the level you are suggesting in 3 years fir Colt semi auto |
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Over the past few years. I've found that some dealers will outright lie/ misrepresent an item to get a sale. G&R Tactical are one of those dealers. So far the reputable dealers I use & can trust are Brownells, MidwauUSA & Primary Arms (by the way ALL are site sponsors) If these make a mistake or product misrepresentation they'll make it right and even apologize for it. Watch out for the switcheroo! ETA: FWIW I've bought 2 QUALITY ambi safeties from Primary Arms very recently. Both (Schmid Tool 'S' manufactured), though both safety levers were long. Get this - for less than $20 each! PA is good to go in my experience. 'S' Ambi-Safety long lever under $20 I believe certain dealers know exactly what they're doing. We tolerate dealers like this because they sometimes 'maybe' stock hard to find items that we want. |
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Quoted: ETA: FWIW I've bought 2 QUALITY ambi safeties from Primary Arms very recently. Both (Schmid Tool 'S' manufactured), though both safety levers were long. Get this - for less than $20 each! PA is good to go in my experience. 'S' Ambi-Safety long lever under $20 I believe certain dealers know exactly what they're doing. We tolerate dealers like this because they sometimes 'maybe' stock hard to find items that we want. Under $20? That looks like a solid deal. And, it looks like my Colt safety from AU. Question for the group: some Colt rifles have the ambi safety. I am thinking maybe the EPR. Has anyone seen a new rifle? Maybe there is a new CR rifle that uses this safety and Colt has actually changed models? It is not what I am accustomed to seeing, but does that mean it is not authentic ? We’re at D+4 or something like that since this dealer has offered the “Colt ambi safety” and during that time, has now changed the picture. I was suspicious because the economics did not add-up (as the the three Colt parts total $70 -ish), but maybe over the next few days and weeks, we will find that this is a new Colt design. I don’t recall any fanfare when the new lower was released. It was shock from the consumer community. Same with the new uppers without CAGE codes. I think it’s early to rush to judgement. It is clearly not what I thought I was ordering. I am not disappointed in the product, as in, I can out it to good use. I am not sure I can call it Colt (yet). I suppose I am disappointed in the lack of description and disclosure. I would have like to have seen - as this same merchant discloses the new “Carbine” marked lowers on their Colt rifles - some mention that this is the new and improved part from Colt. I would have liked to have seen the same about the lack of CAGE codes on the new Colt Cerro uppers. Maybe merchants just don’t know what Colt ships to them. It would have helped (if authentic) to have come in a Colt package, like the above pic of the full auto ambi safety. But, let’s give the merchant a chance to respond, explain. We are all quick to jump on dealers. I try not to, but I am guilty of it as well. (I made a purchase from a company called Davidson defense and their uppers and bolt carriers did not even fit). But let’s give AU a chance. What’s his name, I think Daniel. Let’s give him a chance to explain “the new look of Colt.” Maybe it came off of the virgin lowers he sold recently ??. Oops I did it. ?? |
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Quoted: Question for the group: some Colt rifles have the ambi safety. I am thinking maybe the EPR. Has anyone seen a new rifle? Maybe there is a new CR rifle that uses this safety and Colt has actually changed models? Based off of GB pics it appears that the new cr6700a4 still comes with the “normal” Colt ambi selector. |
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Well hell...mine will be here Monday. I fully expect to get the switcheroo version which sucks. Interesting...they’ve also changed the 3 position full auto version picture as well. It’s now long lever on both sides. I honestly don’t know what to think. I started another thread a week ago about the standard single sided semi selector being different than what the picture showed. But in that case, I could find verifiable evidence in recent factory Colt carbines where the different design was used (besides pictures online, local big box had 8 CR6920s...3 had the new selector, 5 had the old one.) I have no desire to run the long side on both side ambi selector. I never cared for that setup. I’ll be wanting my money back, without the shipping or restock fee. |
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Quoted: So, not sure what happened. I have seen other dealers selling what AU is selling, but it could be that Colt CR civilian has changed and AU is on cutting edge. Fir me, the safety they sold me is fine. I am thinking it is not Colt, but $44 is a fair price. I am mean, real Colt is going to cost $70 give or take, from what I have seen. AU is that you? “fair price”??? The exact thing can be had at BoTach for $19.99. |
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Quoted: I honestly don’t know what to think. I started another thread a week ago about the standard single sided semi selector being different than what the picture showed. But in that case, I could find verifiable evidence in recent factory Colt carbines where the different design was used (besides pictures online, local big box had 8 CR6920s...3 had the new selector, 5 had the old one.) Without diving into the thread, the one advantage that Colt safeties have, and not sure if what you saw on the standard saftety was true or not, but being able to swap left to right. So, in some respects, their standard saftey is "ambi." I think Badger labels their standard on leg safety as ambi, so maybe they are the only ones. |
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Quoted: Without diving into the thread, the one advantage that Colt safeties have, and not sure if what you saw on the standard saftety was true or not, but being able to swap left to right. So, in some respects, their standard saftey is "ambi." I think Badger labels their standard on leg safety as ambi, so maybe they are the only ones. Yep...which is why I love them as a lefty. The std I received from AU was still reversible. But it’s not S marked and the lever is doesn’t extend into the circle as far (A2 style). For ~$20ish I kept them. But if it’s two sided long lever that show up on the “ambi” order, I don’t want them. |
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Quoted: The product picture was changed. Eta: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/89656/Screenshot_20210416-164227_Chrome_jpg-1907286.JPG That pisses me off. I dont want an ambi with two full length switches; I wanted what was shown in the photo  Looks like I'll be cancelling my order and paying more to get a proper one from Rip-off Charlie's |
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Quoted: That pisses me off. I dont want an ambi with two full length switches; I wanted what was shown in the photo Looks like I'll be cancelling my order and paying more to get a proper one from Rip-off Charlie's Do yourself a favor and don’t order anything from Charlie’s... Sign up for notification with Brownells they’ve been getting stock like every other month lately. It’s the full auto version with Colt’s cage code on both levers. Attached File |
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Quoted: Do yourself a favor and don’t order anything from Charlie’s... Sign up for notification with Brownells they’ve been getting stock like every other month lately. It’s the full auto version with Colt’s cage code on both levers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/236598/3C581696-5AA5-4FE0-8213-7D2FF94A4CA9_jpe-1908366.JPG Not the same part. That is full auto. It will slide around inside an AR15. |
This one is more like the Colt: $104 from Primary Arms. Looks the same, maybe it has an FN CAGe Code ? I mean FN and Colt both produce military rifles. Here is the Link to FN ambi, looks like they are available. |
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Quoted: This one is more like the Colt: https://images.primaryarms.com/f00000000191638/www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/51017_00.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 $104 from Primary Arms. Looks the same, maybe it has an FN CAGe Code ? I mean FN and Colt both produce military rifles. Here is the Link to FN ambi, looks like they are available. The one you have pictured above has straight lines going across the short lever. Most of the Colts I have seen have the lines going around in an oval. They may have used more than one style lever though. Attached File |
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I should know better than to not take screenshots. I saw that Bishop3 posted the photo above, which I definitely noticed when I ordered, but I don't know if the description still said long and short or two long levers. The most recent capture from archive.org is from January and explicitly states full size and short lever. https://web.archive.org/web/20210124123749/https://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-Semi-Auto-Ambidextrous-Safety-Selector-Lever-p/sp400831.htm |
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So I ordered 2 of these after getting the AU email, of course showing a long lever and a short lever, and just saw this thread. So now I’m expecting to get 2 of the $20 Schmidt tool selectors next week. However, I do have 2 Colt short levers I bought from Brownells a while ago. Can anyone who has one from this batch verify that there is a big notch and a small notch on the main lever or are the notches both the same size? (The Colt short lever will only work if there is a large and smaller notch) Thanks |
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Quoted: I ordered a few if these from AU that will be here Monday. If their not what was ordered AU will be paying for them to go back and refunding me. Not the first time they have screwed me on Colt parts. Received mine early today. They are both long levers and not what I ordered. I have emailed AU requesting immediate refund and label if they want their crap back. |
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Quoted: So I ordered 2 of these after getting the AU email, of course showing a long lever and a short lever, and just saw this thread. So now I'm expecting to get 2 of the $20 Schmidt tool selectors next week. However, I do have 2 Colt short levers I bought from Brownells a while ago. Can anyone who has one from this batch verify that there is a big notch and a small notch on the main lever or are the notches both the same size? (The Colt short lever will only work if there is a large and smaller notch) Thanks I got the AU back in-stock email too. The product picture originally showed a long/short right side lever BUT was waiting wanting to order 2 after someone could verify what it was they were ACTUALLY selling. The photo looked fishy to me. I could NOT see Colt cage code 13629 in the product pic 'first advertised' by seller on their page and by email. I would have bought the AU "Colt" Ambi-Safety just because of it supposedly having a right side short lever as it was originally advertised. Even without a cage code I would be a buyer (because Colt/short lever), BUT in this case it may be that everything isn't as it appears to the buyer, like some certain dealers like to do. I also have two authentic Colt 13629 short levers purchased from Brownells. I would like to know too - I have not ordered an AU Colt ambi selector. But suspect, since I've already tried a legit Colt 13629 right side (short) lever to fit a Shmid Tool Ambi main lever - it did not fit, because notches on Schmid Tool main lever (are same size) did not match up to Colt short lever (large/small size notch). I'm following this thread for the info to see what checks out. Eta: Colt 13629 short lever Attached File Schmid Tool (S marked on each long lever) Ambi-Selector Attached File |
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Quoted: I got the AU back in-stock email too. The product picture originally showed a long/short right side lever BUT was waiting wanting to order 2 after someone could verify what it was they were ACTUALLY selling. The photo looked fishy to me. I could NOT see Colt cage code 13629 in the product pic 'first advertised' by seller on their page and by email. I would have bought the AU "Colt" Ambi-Safety just because of it supposedly having a right side short lever as it was originally advertised. Even without a cage code I would be a buyer (because Colt/short lever), BUT in this case it may be that everything isn't as it appears to the buyer, like some certain dealers like to do. I also have two authentic Colt 13629 short levers purchased from Brownells. I would like to know too - I have not ordered an AU Colt ambi selector. But suspect, since I've already tried a legit Colt 13629 right side (short) lever to fit a Shmid Tool Ambi main lever - it did not fit, because notches on Schmid Tool main lever (are same size) did not match up to Colt short lever (large/small size notch). I'm following this thread for the info to see what checks out. Eta: Colt 13629 short lever https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/89656/20210418_080438_jpg-1909231.JPG Schmid Tool (S marked on each long lever) Ambi-Selector https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/89656/20210418_080656_jpg-1909235.JPG Those are my concerns as well, I already have 2 of the Schmidt selectors that I was wanting to replace with Colt. I certainly don’t need 2 more selectors that won’t even accept the short lever. |
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Quoted: The one you have pictured above has straight lines going across the short lever. Most of the Colts I have seen have the lines going around in an oval. They may have used more than one style lever though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/439146/02D4010B-CBAF-47DD-A2E7-F7A26B8D5A51_jpe-1908450.JPG Quoted: Quoted: This one is more like the Colt: https://images.primaryarms.com/f00000000191638/www.primaryarms.com/SSP%20Applications/NetSuite%20Inc.%20-%20SCA%20Mont%20Blanc/Development/img/51017_00.jpg?resizeid=7&resizeh=0&resizew=2000 $104 from Primary Arms. Looks the same, maybe it has an FN CAGe Code ? I mean FN and Colt both produce military rifles. Here is the Link to FN ambi, looks like they are available. The one you have pictured above has straight lines going across the short lever. Most of the Colts I have seen have the lines going around in an oval. They may have used more than one style lever though. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/439146/02D4010B-CBAF-47DD-A2E7-F7A26B8D5A51_jpe-1908450.JPG Just followed the link to PA to check it out, they have updated the stock photo for the FN ambi selectors to the same one AU is using for the Colt with 2 long levers. |
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Quoted: Not the same part. That is full auto. It will slide around inside an AR15. Quoted: Quoted: Do yourself a favor and don’t order anything from Charlie’s... Sign up for notification with Brownells they’ve been getting stock like every other month lately. It’s the full auto version with Colt’s cage code on both levers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/236598/3C581696-5AA5-4FE0-8213-7D2FF94A4CA9_jpe-1908366.JPG Not the same part. That is full auto. It will slide around inside an AR15. 
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Quoted: I've already tried a legit Colt 13629 right side (short) lever to fit a Shmid Tool Ambi main lever - it did not fit, because notches on Schmid Tool main lever (are same size) did not match up to Colt short lever (large/small size notch). Tried the same a couple of years back. No dice. |
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Quoted: Just followed the link to PA to check it out, they have updated the stock photo for the FN ambi selectors to the same one AU is using for the Colt with 2 long levers. That is apparently for an FN full auto ambi selector, here is link for the semi on PA website, and it does have the short lever: FN Ambi Safety Selector |
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Quoted: AU just emailed my return label. Stated this is what they will be carrying from Colt going forward. @bwhited Could you tell us, on the main lever (left), does this have a large and small notch? I'm asking this to determine if a Colt 'short lever' will fit it. Thanks |
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Quoted: Stated this is what they will be carrying from Colt going forward. hmm. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt, but it seems that what they are carrying is something other than Colt. I would think they would just own the mistake and say, “this is our house brand, we mistake my labeled it something that is clearly is not, but is just as good as Colt”. 1). The long leg is not reversible. 2). The short leg is seen on new rifles with ambi safeties. 3). This configuration has never been seen before on Colt or by Cot as a part (but has at Midway and Botach at less than 1/2 the price) 4). There is no CAGE code (although may not be definitive as Comt is doing away with that anyway in non-mil market). 5). The parts do not fit from the previous small leg, as the slot does not fit. Probably should send back to Colt and ask for replacement and see what Colt says. ... Maybe it is a CZ part ? ?? |
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Quoted: That is apparently for an FN full auto ambi selector, here is link for the semi on PA website, and it does have the short lever: FN Ambi Safety Selector Yes, the pic I posted and some co formed it is a slightly different design. But notice the price. true ambi safeties with short leg are expensive. Colt and FN and many other firearms companies have increase prices quite a bit over the last 5 years. |
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Quoted: Any headache over the normal restock fee? Or did they acknowledge the f up of selling them prior to updating description? I asked them directly and they did not acknowledge it but the return requirements in the email do not list the fee like the website does. Their reply was like the one above - "this is what Colt sent and what we'll stock from here on" and then an RMA and return info. |
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Quoted: have you had luck with a F/A safety in an AR15? I have seen the safety move round and round and round. I have not examined what part is not hitting what. The ones I have tried would not stay in one place. Quoted: Quoted: have you had luck with a F/A safety in an AR15? I have seen the safety move round and round and round. I have not examined what part is not hitting what. The ones I have tried would not stay in one place. Yes. Non issue. Eta: Sounds as if the spring/detent were omitted/incorrectly installed if the assy is free wheeling. |
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So 'Colt' sent the Schmid Tool ambi selector (both full length arms) to Arms Unlimited? AU because 'Colt', then mark up the retail of said ambi safety to more than double x2 of what it can be normally purchased for from other merchants? Then AU says hey 'it's what Colt sent us'... they're not that dumb & know exactly what they're doing. AU should not charge any restocking fee because of very obvious change(s) they made in its advertised description on this hot item. Sales it's a nasty business! Maybe someone could post an actual picture of the ambi-selector Arms Unlimited shipped out/ received? I would like to know if the main lever (left) will fit, match up with a Colt short lever? If it does not fit, it's just a plain Jane safety obtainable for under $20. |