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Posted: 10/1/2023 4:06:01 PM EST
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Afternoon Mike ,any idea when you will be putting up m16 lowers or complete rifles in grey or complete 601 lowers and rifles ? @ mike_nds will buy bare lowers if I have to , but prefer complete components for accuracy sake
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 5:39:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: JakeM45]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alpha-17: One has a carry handle and is hard to find, the other does not. One is from the 60s, and one is from the late 90s. One was actually made by H&R back in the day, one absolutely was not. Specifically referring to the receivers, one is hard to find, and one is the exact same as countless other M4 flattops on the market. If you can't make sense of that, I guess I can't explain it to you. EDIT: And, since you seem to have ignored this point, let me repeat it from the first time I mentioned the Toobs. "I'm happy for those that like that style, but I really wish H&R had focused on what should have been their core product, reproduction M16A1s and related designs, rather than go the route of 120 variations, 5 in stock." Not the news I wanted to hear (hoping for some 1/7 barrels) but as always, thanks for the updates. Your point still doesn’t make sense, Mike has stated the hang up on gray stripped A1 uppers is outsourced ano….so you’re saying while they’re waiting for Ano and have no control over the timeline they should just sit on their hands and contemplate producing more A1s and not make other cool stuff people want? Ignorant point, still a nonsensical opinion. Producing other items in downtime has little to no affect on A1 production I’m sure especially when they can machine and ano black m4 uppers in house without issue or easily outsource from other parts of PSA. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 6:12:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: MadMax66]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Droodog: lets see it when you are done! sad you have to "settle" for something you don't want  ,I am spending money elsewhere on other projects I had saved for stripped grey A1 uppers . I am getting sick of waiting almost a year now myself, but who knows maybe some lucky day they will pop up in another year or 2 Here it is https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/My-601-Mutt/123-782699/ |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:00:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By red557: I think new production H&R M1 Garands would be an excellent idea. With WW2 media still being prevalent in today's world and with the zoomer generation wanting to buy those kinds of guns, it would be nice to see and to have the option of having something brand-spankin' new. I also think if they had different caliber options such as .308 and could take any 30-06 load, they would be a smash hit. The M1 Garand surplus will dry up sooner or later, then that'll cause them to be marked up to as much as M1 Carbines have in the past. I'd imagine it would be a safer option than buying some mystery meat Garands at a gun show or something like that too. I'd buy one in .308 as long as it doesn't cost as much as a Fulton lol. You can already get a Garand to take any 30.06 load, just buy a $50 adjustable gas cylinder plug from one of multiple manufacturers. "Mystery meat" Garands? If you are looking to buy a potentially used gun at a gun show and you don't bring a bore light and some gauges (and haven't viewed some reference material or done any digging or research beforehand) then you are doing something wrong. "I'd buy one in .308 if it didn't cost as much as a Fulton." This is exactly what I mean. Fulton is charging $2300 for a rebuild AND you still need to supply a receiver. Given that M1As are retailing for 1500ish at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if the Garands retail above 1800. Historical rifle replicas have always been tough sells (unless its something NFA restricted). Despite record high carbine prices, the repro carbines by AO are still not flying off the shelves, because most people buying carbines are buying for the history and would rather fork over some extra dough and get the real deal. Unless the price of the new made Garand is drastically cheaper than the original (Like a $1100+ M1911A1 versus a $475 OTD Kahr AO/SDS M1911A1), I don't think there's much appeal. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:09:09 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryVery good build with the mix and mush parts giving a nice Clone inspired look! here is my first 601 (not perfect) built with brownells parts as nobody offers ban state retros . so I watched Larry Potterfield videos on youtube and built it myself  https://imgur.com/a/AeXgiBv |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:26:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Droodog: Very good build with the mix and mush parts giving a nice Clone inspired look! here is my first 601 (not perfect) built with brownells parts as nobody offers ban state retros . so I watched Larry Potterfield videos on youtube and built it myself https://imgur.com/a/AeXgiBv Nice looking 601 |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:42:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRedBaron: Wrong, just more 'muh build' whining from the join date/post count crew that has infected this thread. If tying up a few hundred bucks affects you guys so much where it's the worst thing ever, this hobby might not be for you. Oh, I have no problem with having a few hundred bucks tied up. Ironically I have spent probably triple the money on other things while waiting for the parts (1898 Krag/1884 Trapdoor, ACOG for M16A4 build, half a Block II build, etc), but that doesn't change the fact that many of us came here for A1s... not toobs, 711s, 635s, etc (although those are pretty darn neat, we would just rather get the thing we came for first) I have lurked on the forum for years to browse, just never really saw the need to make an actual account until the Nodak/H&R merger was announced and I wanted to ask questions. Indeed, the whole reason I made an account was because I was interested in the Gray A1 components. (I was on the Nodak waitlist). Building it yourself is half the fun of the AR platform, and it can be incredibly frustrating to see resources for stuff DIY builders would love to buy (and have the money to buy) getting shuttled to other projects (that weren't the ones advertised at SHOT). How dare people voice discontent about the lack of availability of key components (for a hyped up product unveiled and advertised way back in 2022) on a forum dedicated to the production of said components more than a year after those components were first brought to market... I would think that someone on ARFCOM would be sympathetic to actually DIY building AR-15s instead of buying complete ones, but to each his own I guess. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 7:58:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 12BMilsurp: You can already get a Garand to take any 30.06 load, just buy a $50 adjustable gas cylinder plug from one of multiple manufacturers. "Mystery meat" Garands? If you are looking to buy a potentially used gun at a gun show and you don't bring a bore light and some gauges (and haven't viewed some reference material or done any digging or research beforehand) then you are doing something wrong. Fulton is charging $2300 for a rebuild AND you still need to supply a receiver. Given that M1As are retailing for 1500ish at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if the Garands retail above 1800. Historical rifle replicas have always been tough sells (unless its something NFA restricted). Despite record high carbine prices, the repro carbines by AO are still not flying off the shelves, because most people buying carbines are buying for the history and would rather fork over some extra dough and get the real deal. Unless the price of the new made Garand is drastically cheaper than the original (Like a $1100+ M1911A1 versus a $475 OTD Kahr AO/SDS M1911A1), I don't think there's much appeal. Thanks for educating me. I never knew these gas plugs existed. Of course. I was referring to those who don't even know what headspace gauges are or get a Garand from Gunbroker or something. I've had poor luck with used online guns in the past which is why I brought up the people who'd rather get new over old. I agree that new production M1 Garands should be low-production. I do think that the hypothetical price of $1500 would be reasonable too since it fills a niche for those who want a brand new Garand. It sounds like a good niche to fill if there are different options for calibers too. However, this is all speculation. I have no idea what other people want, just what I want at an affordable price  .
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KS, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2023 8:14:34 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Droodog: Very good build with the mix and mush parts giving a nice Clone inspired look! here is my first 601 (not perfect) built with brownells parts as nobody offers ban state retros . so I watched Larry Potterfield videos on youtube and built it myself https://imgur.com/a/AeXgiBv Very nice. I may paint my furniture at some point. Yep I watched Larry’s vids also. Don’t have to be tacticool to be knowledgeable 
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Posted: 10/2/2023 12:01:04 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alpha-17: One has a carry handle and is hard to find, the other does not. One is from the 60s, and one is from the late 90s. One was actually made by H&R back in the day, one absolutely was not. Specifically referring to the receivers, one is hard to find, and one is the exact same as countless other M4 flattops on the market. If you can't make sense of that, I guess I can't explain it to you. EDIT: And, since you seem to have ignored this point, let me repeat it from the first time I mentioned the Toobs. "I'm happy for those that like that style, but I really wish H&R had focused on what should have been their core product, reproduction M16A1s and related designs, rather than go the route of 120 variations, 5 in stock." Not the news I wanted to hear (hoping for some 1/7 barrels) but as always, thanks for the updates.  Talk about someone wanting to have his cake and eat it too. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/2/2023 1:45:43 AM EST
[#11]
Hey Mike, will y'all be doing the 601 and 607 lowers in black as well?
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:51:35 AM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTreyM3: Hey Mike, will y'all be doing the 601 and 607 lowers in black as well? No |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 9:45:04 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Wen hat?  Wen howitzer? 
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Posted: 10/2/2023 9:56:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jimmyspinn: Wen howitzer? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/525171/BAIV-105-MM-Howitzer-M2A1-2-2973906.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jimmyspinn: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Wen hat? Wen howitzer? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/525171/BAIV-105-MM-Howitzer-M2A1-2-2973906.jpg W E N E EN E W |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 10:02:49 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 12BMilsurp: Oh, I have no problem with having a few hundred bucks tied up. Ironically I have spent probably triple the money on other things while waiting for the parts (1898 Krag/1884 Trapdoor, ACOG for M16A4 build, half a Block II build, etc), but that doesn't change the fact that many of us came here for A1s... not toobs, 711s, 635s, etc (although those are pretty darn neat, we would just rather get the thing we came for first) I have lurked on the forum for years to browse, just never really saw the need to make an actual account until the Nodak/H&R merger was announced and I wanted to ask questions. Indeed, the whole reason I made an account was because I was interested in the Gray A1 components. (I was on the Nodak waitlist). Building it yourself is half the fun of the AR platform, and it can be incredibly frustrating to see resources for stuff DIY builders would love to buy (and have the money to buy) getting shuttled to other projects (that weren't the ones advertised at SHOT). How dare people voice discontent about the lack of availability of key components (for a hyped up product unveiled and advertised way back in 2022) on a forum dedicated to the production of said components more than a year after those components were first brought to market... I would think that someone on ARFCOM would be sympathetic to actually DIY building AR-15s instead of buying complete ones, but to each his own I guess. Gray A1 uppers are not available sir.When they are,its a hot item. 
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USA
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Posted: 10/2/2023 2:28:46 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By red557: Perhaps they could be called the HR-15. I also wonder if they'll make lowers of the Colt Sporter series such as the Delta HBAR, early R6520, or even the SP1 with their slabsided lowers makes. Maybe even mark them the HR-15 Sporter or something like that to generalize all of the slabsided civilian models. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By red557: Originally Posted By coltfan3000: Mike, Thank you on the update on complete uppers Also, picked up a 601 lower as well. I guess you could not use AR15 model 601 could you? Colt trade marked "AR15." Would have been nice if you could have marked the receivers that way. Perhaps they could be called the HR-15. I also wonder if they'll make lowers of the Colt Sporter series such as the Delta HBAR, early R6520, or even the SP1 with their slabsided lowers makes. Maybe even mark them the HR-15 Sporter or something like that to generalize all of the slabsided civilian models. A 601 lower with “NCR PROPERTY” markings where “Patent Pending” is would be great for a FONV Service Rifle build….would buy for sure if I didnt live in Occupied Lower Chicago. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 3:30:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: A 601 lower with “NCR PROPERTY” markings where “Patent Pending” is would be great for a FONV Service Rifle build….would buy for sure if I didnt live in Occupied Lower Chicago. I'd be in on that. I kinda suspect that's more a PSA likelihood than H&R though. Probably some copyright stuff involved too. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:39:03 PM EST
[#18]
I'd buy one of those in a heartbeat. That's actually why I got the H&R 601.
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Posted: 10/3/2023 5:45:50 AM EST
[#19]
I was told no video game guns for legal reasons.
What you do with your property is your business. 
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Posted: 10/3/2023 6:20:50 AM EST
[#20]
Mike, do you plan on offering 605 or dissipator style barrels in the near future? Trying to decide if I should have a barrel made or if I should wait.
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Posted: 10/3/2023 10:50:35 AM EST
[#21]
No.
I like them, but 605's would not sell well.  |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 10:54:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: Rlett4]
[#22]
@mike_nds , Any time table on complete m16 and 601 complete lowers?
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Posted: 10/3/2023 11:13:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: No. I like them, but 605's would not sell well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/91277/1F72A264-848F-4FAF-8645-9EA169098321-2342464.jpg Fair enough. Since PSA already offers dissipator uppers and you have .625 FSBs, any chance you could convince them make a lightweight version? https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-nitride-dissipator-upper-black-no-bcg-or-ch-5165449779.html |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 11:28:07 AM EST
[#24]
Probably not.
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Posted: 10/3/2023 11:39:14 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: Probably not. Eh, it was worth a try. Thanks. 
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2023 1:43:38 PM EST
[#26]
Hello Mike. Do you have any plans to make slabside lowers with SP1,
 -15A2, or Sporter markings? Or is the slabside exclusive to the 601 for the foreseeable future?
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Posted: 10/3/2023 5:28:36 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By red557: Hello Mike. Do you have any plans to make slabside lowers with SP1, -15A2, or Sporter markings? Or is the slabside exclusive to the 601 for the foreseeable future?There’s plenty of original Colt Sporters and SP1’s out there, so no. |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 7:58:30 PM EST
[#28]
for those who missed the last A1 Grey Stripped upper Drop
one just popped up https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1012170746 if you need one |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 8:53:41 PM EST
[#29]
Dudes selling counterfeit H&R guns be like:
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Posted: 10/3/2023 8:57:08 PM EST
[#30]
Black A2 uppers in stock, blem and non-blem.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/3/2023 11:03:20 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jimmyspinn: Dudes selling counterfeit H&R guns be like: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/525171/wen-hat-copy-2976759.png The more hat in hat this gets the more I want one. Also now that there has been a slickside, A1 and A2 upper drops in the past weeks I wonder what the time-frame is on the ever elusive C7 uppers. |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 12:17:31 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Razgriz56342: The more hat in hat this gets the more I want one. Also now that there has been a slickside, A1 and A2 upper drops in the past weeks I wonder what the time-frame is on the ever elusive C7 uppers. brownells has the C7's in stock https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/ar-15-c7-stripped-upper-receiver/ |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 1:47:20 PM EST
[#33]
YAY Finally the Search and Wait is over!!
 Attached Filemmmm oily  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2023 2:33:01 PM EST
[#34]
Did the polymer CAR stock just go from $18 to $47.50? I had it in my cart earlier today and I’m pretty sure it was not $47.50.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2023 2:37:44 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Armadillon: Did the polymer CAR stock just go from $18 to $47.50? I had it in my cart earlier today and I’m pretty sure it was not $47.50. It appears so.....really hope this was some sort of technical error. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2023 2:54:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreakSe7en: It appears so.....really hope this was some sort of technical error. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreakSe7en: Originally Posted By Armadillon: Did the polymer CAR stock just go from $18 to $47.50? I had it in my cart earlier today and I’m pretty sure it was not $47.50. It appears so.....really hope this was some sort of technical error. Now it is showing $47.99 marked down from $67.19. That’s annoying. I had that and a 723 upper in my cart. |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 5:23:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: Sputnik556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreakSe7en: It appears so.....really hope this was some sort of technical error. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreakSe7en: Originally Posted By Armadillon: Did the polymer CAR stock just go from $18 to $47.50? I had it in my cart earlier today and I’m pretty sure it was not $47.50. It appears so.....really hope this was some sort of technical error. I would think it has to be, that price is far above the cost of a B5. I have my suspicions that they’re just B5 stocks anyway. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2023 5:30:46 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Droodog: YAY Finally the Search and Wait is over!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494759/IMG_3778_JPG-2977653.JPG mmmm oily https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494759/IMG_3783_JPG-2977654.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494759/IMG_3787_JPG-2977657.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494759/IMG_3786_JPG-2977659.JPG Hawt! Let’s see the final product?! |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 5:59:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Armadillon: Now it is showing $47.99 marked down from $67.19. That’s annoying. I had that and a 723 upper in my cart. Wow! I'm glad I bought one back in mid-August for $19.99 I wouldnt have bought one for $47.50 which is the price at the time of this post. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2023 6:56:17 PM EST
[#40]
Black blem A1 stripped uppers are up
https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-harrington-richardson-retro-m16a1-upper-receiver-black.html |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 7:21:52 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JakeM45: Hawt! Let’s see the final product?! soon, I just got them today lol I want to savor the moment  I need a couple of port doors , I have 2 but they are a bit scuffed and not good enough to put on these beauts !! Mike says he has some A1 doors dropping this month since brownells has been out of stock forever lowers are almost complete , just need to attach buffer tubes and grips and pull the barrels out of storage |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 7:22:45 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kokal00: Black blem A1 stripped uppers are up https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-harrington-richardson-retro-m16a1-upper-receiver-black.html Thank you! Was able to get one. |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 7:41:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Droodog: YAY Finally the Search and Wait is over!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494759/IMG_3778_JPG-2977653.JPG mmmm oily https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494759/IMG_3783_JPG-2977654.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494759/IMG_3787_JPG-2977657.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494759/IMG_3786_JPG-2977659.JPG There is going to be some serious reddit new guy butthurt over someone getting two when they dont even have ONE yet. |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 8:44:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kokal00: Black blem A1 stripped uppers are up https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-harrington-richardson-retro-m16a1-upper-receiver-black.html Alright grab one, just sold a C7 since I really wanted an a1, now for the gray one since I also ordered all the other parts, except the elusive port door. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2023 8:45:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JakeM45: Hawt! Let’s see the final product?! At least show us how the grays match up. |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 9:46:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Razgriz56342: The more hat in hat this gets the more I want one. Also now that there has been a slickside, A1 and A2 upper drops in the past weeks I wonder what the time-frame is on the ever elusive C7 uppers. So.... C7 hats now? |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 9:46:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StanleySpidowski: There is going to be some serious reddit new guy butthurt over someone getting two when they dont even have ONE yet. You can bet your ass if I'm lucky enough to find gray A1 uppers in stock I will definitely snatch two of those bad boys. 
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Posted: 10/4/2023 9:54:33 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMax66: Wow! I'm glad I bought one back in mid-August for $19.99 I wouldnt have bought one for $47.50 which is the price at the time of this post. Are we sure we're not looking at Charlie's Custom Clones? All my homies hate Charlie's Custom Clones...but when PSA is selling things at the same price as them dudes... |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 10:33:53 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzersergeant: You can bet your ass if I'm lucky enough to find gray A1 uppers in stock I will definitely snatch two of those bad boys. That's been my rule of thumb for the last couple of drops because there's always another build to make buy now after all these builds I may only have to get just one for an Operation RECIPROCITY build.......and maybe another one for a Mike Harrigan carbine......oh no the addiction continues. |
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Posted: 10/4/2023 10:33:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StanleySpidowski: There is going to be some serious reddit new guy butthurt over someone getting two when they dont even have ONE yet. took me almost a year of keyboard stalking to get these 2 so F them
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