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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:04:42 PM EDT
China unveils new WZ-10 attack helicopter in an air show
BEIJING: China has published photos of its new attack helicopter ahead of its first public appearance in an air show. Official media here published photos of WZ-10 attack helicopter conducting sorties. The chopper is due to be exhibited at the Zhuhai Air Show in China's Guangdong province, state-run Global Times reported without revealing details of its capabilities. China, which complaints of little access to advanced technologies of the US and the EU, has been developing large military hardware. Besides launching its first aircraft carrier recently, China also unveiled a second version of the stealth bomber J-20, becoming the second country after the US to have that technology. The WZ-10 (WZ, 武直 = Wuzhuang Zhishengji, 武装直升机, literally "Armed Helicopter") is an attack helicopter developed by the People's Republic of China. It is designed primarily for anti-tank missions but is believed to have a secondary air-to-air capability as well. It is being built by Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAIC). 
Chinese News segment on the helicopter. YouTube Video: 珠海航展 - Z-10直升机 火力支援 使命必达 WZ-19 
Edited: Should have double check the news sites and photos. 
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:06:11 PM EDT
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That doesn't look like our Comanche at all.
eta: What's up with the two different tail configs? |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:06:14 PM EDT
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Photos there are of two different helicopters. |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:06:34 PM EDT
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Why the different tail rotors? Couldn't decide which design to copy?
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:07:23 PM EDT
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Boo Thundarr?
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:07:43 PM EDT
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Why the different tail rotors? Couldn't decide which design to copy? Different canopy design, too. |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:08:04 PM EDT
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Why the different tail rotors? Couldn't decide which design to copy? who knows, I don't know why we need to share all this info on military designs with anyone. |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:08:44 PM EDT
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Why the different tail rotors? Couldn't decide which design to copy? 
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:08:46 PM EDT
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Is it made in America?
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:09:48 PM EDT
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Photos there are of two different helicopters. This. Look closely feature to feature, they're very different. |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:10:11 PM EDT
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Never been done before....
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:11:04 PM EDT
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How much do you NOT want to fly in a chinese helo?!?
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:11:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Was it designed in America? I fixed it for you 
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:11:18 PM EDT
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Air wolf!
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:12:05 PM EDT
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Never been done before.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Photo of the designer 
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:12:25 PM EDT
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And like everything else they make, it's a reverse engineered copy of stolen technology.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:14:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:16:22 PM EDT
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I'll bet it burns real nice.
As if that motherfucker could get within a hundred miles of Western armor... |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:16:43 PM EDT
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Think of how many rubberbands they have to wind to make them fly!
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:19:02 PM EDT
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That doesn't look like our Comanche at all. eta: What's up with the two different tail configs? They are 2 different helicopters. Oops
China unveils WZ-19 attack helicopter at Airshow China 2012 in Zhuhai, Guangdong province, on Nov 11, 2012. The event will run from Nov 13 to 18. [Photo/Xinhua]
China unveils its first domestically designed and produced WZ-10 attack helicopter at Airshow China 2012 in Zhuhai, Guangdong province, on Nov 11, 2012. The event, which will run from Nov 13 to 18, marked the chopper's first public appearance.[Photo/Xinhua]
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:23:37 PM EDT
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That doesn't look like our Comanche at all. eta: What's up with the two different tail configs? They are 2 different helicopters. Oops
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20121112/f04da2db1484120aa97209.jpg China unveils WZ-19 attack helicopter at Airshow China 2012 in Zhuhai, Guangdong province, on Nov 11, 2012. The event will run from Nov 13 to 18. [Photo/Xinhua]
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20121112/f04da2db1484120aa6dd02.jpg China unveils its first domestically designed and produced WZ-10 attack helicopter at Airshow China 2012 in Zhuhai, Guangdong province, on Nov 11, 2012. The event, which will run from Nov 13 to 18, marked the chopper's first public appearance.[Photo/Xinhua]
weird, the Z-19 pics/info didn't load the first time for me. but yeah, the more rounded/bubbly cockpit is the smaller Z-19......the stepped cockpit is the bigger WZ-10 |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:24:19 PM EDT
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Hooleeefuck... The 80's called and wants blue thunder back.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:33:47 PM EDT
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looks similar the A129 mangusta and other newer attack helicopters. not surprising really.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:36:11 PM EDT
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Is it made in America? Pentagon Contractor Caught Illegally Selling Military Technology to China
A six-year U.S. probe found that Pratt & Whitney, a key military hardware supplier to the U.S., sold China the software and engines needed to make its first-ever modern attack helicopter. The Canadian arm of the aircraft engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney closed a six-year U.S. government probe last week by admitting that it helped China produce its first modern attack helicopter, a serious violation of U.S. export laws that drew a multimillion dollar fine. At the same time it was helping China, the company was separately earning huge fees from contracts with the Pentagon, including some in which it was building weapons meant to ensure that America can maintain decisive military superiority over China's rising military might. The Chinese helicopter that benefited from Pratt's engines and related computer software, now in production, comes outfitted with 30 mm cannons, anti-tank guided missiles, air-to-air missiles and unguided rockets. "This case is a clear example of how the illegal export of sensitive technology reduces the advantages our military currently possesses," Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton said in a statement released on June 28. The events are once again raising questions about the circumstances under which major defense contractors might be barred from government work. Independent watchdogs have long complained that few such firms have been barred or suspended, even for egregious lawbreaking, such as supplying armaments or related equipment to a hypothetical adversary... The Atlantic Monthly Group How US software ended up powering Chinese assault helicopters
Why spy or steal when Western companies will sell you the tech you need? In 2002, United Technologies Corporation was coming off its most profitable year ever. The various units of UTC, which owns businesses ranging from helicopter manufacturer Sikorsky to Otis (“the world’s leading manufacturer, installer, and maintainer of elevators”), had a net income of $1.9 billion off $27.8 billion in sales in 2001. Pratt & Whitney, the aircraft engine unit of UTC, was poised to bring in billions more from defense contracts, supplying the engines for Lockheed-Martin’s F-22 Raptor, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, and the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III cargo plane. But there were still opportunities to make even more money. One of the most promising came from Pratt & Whitney’s Canadian subsidiary, which had a plan to open up an entirely new market—China. Large risks were involved, however: the program was shrouded in secrecy, for one. It also involved working with partners who had a reputation for ripping off technology. And it just happened to be illegal. Ars Technica And China's response China’s attack helicopter not pirated: spokesman
A defense ministry spokesman Thursday rejected reports that China's Z-10 military attack helicopter pirated US technology. Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun made the remarks at a monthly press conference when asked to comment on United Technologies Corp (UTC) of the United States admitting last month to selling China software that helped Beijing develop its first modern military attack helicopter, and agreeing to pay more than $75 million to the US government for the export violation. "China's attack helicopters and their engines are all self-developed, and have proprietary intellectual property rights," he said, adding that the so-called piracy "is far from the truth." Yang said the development of China's military equipment has always followed the principle of independent innovation, and relied on its own capability in research and production. Huang Jun, a professor at the Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, told the Global Times that the rationale of building engines is universal, and it is not an exclusive technology owned by the US. The Z-10 helicopter, whose design was initialized in the late 1990s, was China's first independently developed modern attack helicopter. Designed for both military and civil use, the Z-10 made its maiden flight in late 2004. Xinhua contributed to this story The Global Times |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:38:45 PM EDT
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That doesn't look like our Comanche at all. eta: What's up with the two different tail configs? The first was before they got our stealth helicopter. Really, it looks like a Comanche knock off. With some AH -64 thrown in.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:39:12 PM EDT
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looks similar the A129 mangusta and other newer attack helicopters. not surprising really. Supposedly, South Africa gave the China access to the technology behind their Rooivalk program. |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:41:20 PM EDT
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Canopy reminds me of the Eurocopter Tiger. Looks like a mash up of various stolen ideas.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:41:59 PM EDT
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"China’s attack helicopter not pirated: spokesman "
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:42:31 PM EDT
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Oh for fuck's sake, they had to copy the Apache too?
ETA: AND the fucking Comanche? Holy fucking fuck people, develop your own god damn weapons for once. 
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:43:35 PM EDT
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Quoted:
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Is it made in America? Pentagon Contractor Caught Illegally Selling Military Technology to China
A six-year U.S. probe found that Pratt & Whitney, a key military hardware supplier to the U.S., sold China the software and engines needed to make its first-ever modern attack helicopter. The Canadian arm of the aircraft engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney closed a six-year U.S. government probe last week by admitting that it helped China produce its first modern attack helicopter, a serious violation of U.S. export laws that drew a multimillion dollar fine. At the same time it was helping China, the company was separately earning huge fees from contracts with the Pentagon, including some in which it was building weapons meant to ensure that America can maintain decisive military superiority over China's rising military might. The Chinese helicopter that benefited from Pratt's engines and related computer software, now in production, comes outfitted with 30 mm cannons, anti-tank guided missiles, air-to-air missiles and unguided rockets. "This case is a clear example of how the illegal export of sensitive technology reduces the advantages our military currently possesses," Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton said in a statement released on June 28. The events are once again raising questions about the circumstances under which major defense contractors might be barred from government work. Independent watchdogs have long complained that few such firms have been barred or suspended, even for egregious lawbreaking, such as supplying armaments or related equipment to a hypothetical adversary... The Atlantic Monthly Group How US software ended up powering Chinese assault helicopters
Why spy or steal when Western companies will sell you the tech you need? In 2002, United Technologies Corporation was coming off its most profitable year ever. The various units of UTC, which owns businesses ranging from helicopter manufacturer Sikorsky to Otis (“the world’s leading manufacturer, installer, and maintainer of elevators”), had a net income of $1.9 billion off $27.8 billion in sales in 2001. Pratt & Whitney, the aircraft engine unit of UTC, was poised to bring in billions more from defense contracts, supplying the engines for Lockheed-Martin’s F-22 Raptor, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, and the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III cargo plane. But there were still opportunities to make even more money. One of the most promising came from Pratt & Whitney’s Canadian subsidiary, which had a plan to open up an entirely new market—China. Large risks were involved, however: the program was shrouded in secrecy, for one. It also involved working with partners who had a reputation for ripping off technology. And it just happened to be illegal. Ars Technica And China's response China’s attack helicopter not pirated: spokesman
A defense ministry spokesman Thursday rejected reports that China's Z-10 military attack helicopter pirated US technology. Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun made the remarks at a monthly press conference when asked to comment on United Technologies Corp (UTC) of the United States admitting last month to selling China software that helped Beijing develop its first modern military attack helicopter, and agreeing to pay more than $75 million to the US government for the export violation. "China's attack helicopters and their engines are all self-developed, and have proprietary intellectual property rights," he said, adding that the so-called piracy "is far from the truth." Yang said the development of China's military equipment has always followed the principle of independent innovation, and relied on its own capability in research and production. Huang Jun, a professor at the Beijing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics, told the Global Times that the rationale of building engines is universal, and it is not an exclusive technology owned by the US. The Z-10 helicopter, whose design was initialized in the late 1990s, was China's first independently developed modern attack helicopter. Designed for both military and civil use, the Z-10 made its maiden flight in late 2004. Xinhua contributed to this story The Global Times If you remember Slick Willy gave them permission to sell missile tech to China. Now we ride Russian stuff to the space station and China can actually launch stuff with out it blowing up. Isn't that great?
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:46:01 PM EDT
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How much tech on those choppers came from the Bin Laden raid ?
Didn't take them long, did it ? |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:47:28 PM EDT
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And like everything else they make, it's a reverse engineered copy of stolen technology. Its easy to copy the shape of something. On the inside I'm guessing its typical Chinese crap. |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:47:36 PM EDT
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Eurocopter Tiger copy?
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:47:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: That doesn't look like our Comanche at all. eta: What's up with the two different tail configs? WZ-10 and WZ-19 , 2 different birds. and for the record i like the WZ - 19 better. |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:48:35 PM EDT
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Looks like an Augusta Mangusta
Had a threesome with a Rooivak 
And a Eurocopter Tiger 
The Chinese chopper looks more European than American. |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:53:08 PM EDT
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I was expecting the cockpit windows to be.....smaller.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:56:52 PM EDT
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Looks like a blend of design features from the Hind, Comanche, Apache, and Bell. It'll be interesting to see what kind of mechanical track-record these will have over time.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:56:54 PM EDT
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I was expecting the cockpit windows to be.....smaller.
datswacist.gif |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:57:44 PM EDT
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I hope I get to shoot one down one day.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:59:00 PM EDT
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Looks like an Augusta Mangusta http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7060/a129sc1.jpg Had a threesome with a Rooivak http://www.sa-transport.co.za/aircraft/military/rooivalk_saaf_jk.JPG And a Eurocopter Tiger http://www.military-today.com/helicopters/eurocopter_tiger.jpg The Chinese chopper looks more European than American. To be fair, there is only so many ways an attack helicopter can look
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:01:44 PM EDT
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Oh, herro there
not me 
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:03:04 PM EDT
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Eh....Fuck those guys. Even if it's not some reversed engineered bullshit I bet there is no way in my opinion that they will ever come close to the quality and training that our folks have. Paper tigers I say....
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:03:30 PM EDT
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More photos of the Z-19
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:07:00 PM EDT
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That doesn't look like our Comanche at all. eta: What's up with the two different tail configs? WZ-10 and WZ-19 , 2 different birds. and for the record i like the WZ - 19 better. there's 2 diff configs for the WZ-10 |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:11:05 PM EDT
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I was expecting the cockpit windows to be.....smaller. New flight glasses ? 
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:12:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:16:36 PM EDT
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Oh, herro there http://www.murdoconline.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/javelin-missile.jpg not me golf clap |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:44:08 PM EDT
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Heat sig looks tasty.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:45:36 PM EDT
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We raff now.
ok. Let's be serious. We laugh now, but they are using real technology given to them by our companies, and our allies. All they have to do is be close enough to good. They can produce the numbers, and the pilots if given a few more years, and overwhelm our technology advantage. People need to hang for selling those engines and other defense systems. |
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:46:46 PM EDT
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Boo Thundarr? "Brue Thunder" I bet it'll fail when the cheap-ass Chines knock-off Li-Po batteries flame out or the servo gears strip out.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:48:55 PM EDT
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Commanche/Cobra
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That doesn't look like our Comanche at all. eta: What's up with the two different tail configs? |
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