Good point.

Another good point.

I'm surprised no backup power

Well, I guess it didn't get "hot as fuck" below deck in your scenario, now did it?

Probably because throwing garbage off of a ship is illegal.  I don't think they can even take a piss overboard.  Seriously.

My carnival cruise leaves out on June 17.

I never understood the appeal of cruises in the first place. Being stuck on a boat in the middle of the ocean with a few thousand strangers isn't my idea of a vacation.

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You know who really has it bad?

The crew.

Maybe things aren't as bad as the news media and a few bad apples on the ship are making it out to be?  If I were on that ship I'd make the most out of the situation knowing full well that the cruise line is going to be refunding my money and probably giving me another cruise for free.  Seriously, for some people it's like civilization is ending if there is no air conditioning or showers.  Think about the conditions our GI's had to put up with crossing the Atlantic in WW1 and WW2.  They didn't get free booze and comps, they got to ride in sweltering overcrowded ships just to get to the war.

Definitely.

Eastern airlines even had metal flatware and glass cups in coach..... Ah the 80s

At least they could have flown some porta potties and MRE's out there.

They have public area heads and all you can eat buffets...

 

Why isn't Obama doing something about this?
If something like this happened during Bush's administration, I guarantee the media would be hammering him with questions about the lack of response.

Dirigibles.



 

Not unless you're gonna go all the way.

Or split from the whole fuckin' program

Be sure to put on sun screen.

You realize they'll be taking you to prison, right?

Will the toilet in my cell flush?

Yes they were. And he even posted a letter (on FB) he received from Carnival about some other mishap right before they left -- talk about an omen.

If the ship devolves into total anarchy PhotoKirk will be right at home

That's a great way of putting it

There was a fire in the engine room that took out the main engines and I assume the auxiliary.  She has been operating under her emergency generator, but that is only designed to power absolutely critical systems.  It will not power the entire ship.

 

I am really curious on a ship that big, how they have all of their power generation in tight enough quarters with their propulsion to lose it all in a single fire. I really wish I had been there. I am surprised they don't have gennies spread all over the bottom of that thing. It must have been a pretty big fuck up to knock out propulsion and power.

Power is propulsion on those ships. On our last cruise I attended a series of lectures on cruise ship operations put on by the various department heads.

The ships have enormous generators which provide electricity for all systems. The biggest consumer of that electricity are the azipods. Basically the azipods are giant steerable electric motors with propellers attached. With azipods and bow thrusters cruise ships are generally nimble enough to dock and undock without assistance from tugs. Which is pretty amazing when you realize how big they are.

Essentially cruise ships are diesel-electric hybrids like locomotives.

Gotchya, I have heard of such systems, very neat.

It seems that the cons of such a system are apparent though.

I did, for 20 years.  Average crew on a deployed carrier is 5200 and change.  Never a week without some form of engineering casualty...just we were better drilled.

IF it's as bad as the news is making out, Carnival is in for a big hit.  That ship will needs a ton of money dumped into it just to get it to the breakers...can't see them spending the millions needed to clean/repair/refurbish it.

Ummmmm, maybe you shouldn't be waiting for the USCG, because odds are, it wouldn't be a rescue, but an arrest.

I'm not sure what laws would be broken but commandeering something from a cruise ship, disobeying orders of the crew, is bound to land one in a heap of legal trouble!



To each their own.

Me, that's one of my "fears" that the relatives will send me off on a cruise. Even if nothing like this happens, I'll probably be a few points above being bored to tears. `Nutshell speaking, being around a whole bunch of people who have misinformed opinions of the world is not my idea of fun.

If I go on any sort of cruise, I want it to be something like this:

(oceanographic research cruise)

Now, back to the topic.

Essentially, HOW to get them off the ship at sea to another ship? Sure, there are lifeboats and helicopters, but the basic point of the matter is two fold. First of all, those in themselves are not risk free approaches. Secondly, most of the people that would be involved in such a transfer are probably not the kind to approach it just solving whatever "comes up".

Two examples. In the Navy, we were refueling a helicopter and a crewman's dye packet got caught on something on the helicopter; he was lifted few feet into the air. The bird touched back down again, he was untangled, and the work went on. Now imagine such a minor incident happening to an untrained civilian and what their reaction might be?

When I was doing my marine biology course work, we were snorkeling off shore around an oil rig. We were using the R/V Longhorn

and many of my classmates were not able to exit the water by using the rungs on the stern. Ie, one swims to the stern, grasps the rungs, let's the rocking pull them out of the water, then climbs in fins, duck footed, up the rungs till they are on deck so they can get the fins off.

Instead, they had to put a Zodiac along side, have staff pull my classmates out of the water into the boat, and then let them climb from the Zodiac onto the Longhorn. Many of my classmates were 20 year olds and they couldn't get out of the water the conventional way. Now, in all fairness, they weren't experienced, they had little time with being a low head in the water and this great big piece of metal bobbing up and down right infront of them, right above them.

I understand; if you don't have the experience or knowledge, that can be positively unnerving.......to say nothing if one has seen enough movies about what happens to people next to propellers.

Moving a bunch of people from one ship to another in the open sea when you don't have to..............is not such a great notion.
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("All you can see is water.......Except for that cigar someone threw away."--Lucy having missed the ship and is flown out by helicopter to meet it
"Mrs. Ricardo, that "cigar" is your ship."--Pilot, (w,stte), I Love Lucy, "Bon Voyage")

It's funny because it's true.  When I was on my last cruise, I'd go up to the top and run laps (11 equaled one mile).  I saw equally zero other runners the whole time.

Just think what could go wrong trying to transfer some of these people in the middle of the ocean.
You are not talking a ship full of Marines here.
You would have childern, eldery, handicap, and so on, not to mention the obese that can only walk from their room to the food bar.

I don't think the US Navy got that memo.  I was suprised at the amount shit they throw overboard.

titanic?

This...

No we still had power and the natural AC worked quite well. They did how ever stop selling beer, that sucked.

Mobile has a repair facility that works on cruise ships; it ain't about the passengers.

They should be allowed to discharge food waste overboard even after the MARPOL Annex V changes that came into effect on 01JAN13.   However being in the Gulf of Mexico, they might be within 500 miles from a platform. MEPC 210(62)

They also would be OK to discharge raw sewage as well.  MARPOL Annex IV Reg 9.  Just don't put the dookie in a plastic bag and throw it overboard.

Of course, as Diesel Engineer pointed out, the toilets are likely on a vacuum system which is not on the EDG panel.

Exceptions

Regulation 8 of this Annex shall not apply to:

(a) the discharge of sewage from a ship necessary for the purpose of securing the safety of a ship and those on board or saving life at sea; or

(b) the discharge of sewage resulting from damage to a ship or its equipment if all reasonable precautions have been taken before and after the occurrence of the damage, for the purpose of preventing or minimizing the discharge.

I would say they won't do it due to the high media attention and the perceived "polluting" they would be doing.

You would never catch me on a cruise ship.  To me, they are floating (hopefully), over-sized flea-bag motels filled with Legionairres disease and overweight drunken secretaries with the clap.

I'll stick with Royal Caribbean, thanks...

Your best bet is to stay on the ship.  Transferring 4000 people from one ship to another is going to be logistical nightmare.

I thought it was Norovirus?

Snowleopard, you might be somewhat interested in my dream cruise.  I want to take this:



Here:



Chuckie Cheese of the Seas does not appeal though.

Would never go on a cruise other than a river cruise. This happens periodically it would seem......Not only that, I find little charm in most Third World Shithole Tourist destinations.......

Although a bit dramatic, your assessment is not so far from the truth.  The contention is if "vacationing in an over-sized flea-bag hotel and banging fatties with the clap" is fun.  To many, it is.  I had fun on the two cruises I went on.

You have to have the right mindset to go on a cruise.

This

Are there cruises that are more selective for a higher price, say, $5k a ticket?



 

Makes sense. Apparently from reports, they had the fire and shit their electrical power, which mean they were DIW right there. I guess by the time the tugs got to them, the current had pushed them equidistance between the Yucatan and Mobile, and the 900 dumbshits without passports sealed the deal, as getting them out of olde Mexico would have been a ton of asspain.

This is why you always bring your passport, kids!