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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:12:35 AM EDT
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Wanna bet there's no Chinese jimmy carter who's gonna just give it to
Nicaragua after shifting $25B on it? |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:13:30 AM EDT
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Wee need a bigger canal
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:15:39 AM EDT
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Wee need a bigger canal Big ships out there. Offloading to an intermodal rail 'land bridge' is costly and ineffective. Unless the Arctic Route stays ice-free, a new canal is overdue. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:17:02 AM EDT
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Wee need a bigger canal Big ships out there. Offloading to an intermodal rail 'land bridge' is costly and ineffective. Unless the Arctic Route stays ice-free, a new canal is overdue. And in wartime I'm sure it could become our canal pretty quick |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:20:46 AM EDT
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As soon as Clinton honored Jimmuh Carter's signaway of our Panama Canal, the Chinese occupied the locks and management company that we used to run the canal zone. They had prepared for it for decades.
Another canal fully-controlled by China means they get to call the shots. Communist Daniel Ortega was supposed to leave office last year, and yet he still is in power. Why no coverage on that? 
A canal through Nicaragua will reduce shipping costs, as it cuts out several hundred miles of oceanic travel to go down to Panama. This was a consideration back in the 1800's, but France sold its interests in Panama to the US at a reasonable cost, which is why we went there instead. Here's the 1800's proposal: 
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:21:53 AM EDT
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I think we had a plan back in the 50's to build a second canal using nuclear blasting.
That would have been cool! |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:24:17 AM EDT
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But if they put a saltwater lock system and canal through a freshwater lake, it will destroy the lake!!! They would never consider destroying the environment for profit and control! Inconceivable!!
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:28:07 AM EDT
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Is that the lake that is chock full of maneating Bull Sharks who have adapted to living in "fresh" water permanently?
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:28:33 AM EDT
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Just do a East to West coast canal right through the U.S.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:33:31 AM EDT
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Bigger CVC's on the horrizon? |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:35:50 AM EDT
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This is very interesting. The Chinese all but run the Panama Canal now (thanks to that fucking idiot Jimmy P-Nut
 ) When I was in Panama a few years back the people I talked to didnt like the Chinese much and would have preferred the US to stay around. When we left it really hurt the local economy. They are in the process of building a 2nd canal alongside the first so that larger Post-Panamax ships can use it and be able to go straight to the US east coast and Europe without going through the Suez Canal or using intermodal trains.
The Chinese have the money to do this (our money by the way) and if thats what they want to do then so be it. If there is ever a war that comes around and has to do with the canals hopefully this country is still strong enough to take or destroy them if necessary. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:40:12 AM EDT
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I will be impressed if they can complete the project for 25 billion.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:43:19 AM EDT
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Have at it fellas. As long as America doesn't support this with engineers and trained supervisors, it will fail. Maybe given 40-50 years China will have something resembling a canal, but by that point I (hope) that the US has woken up to the need for finishing the Panama canal widening. Edit: typo |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:44:53 AM EDT
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I will be impressed if they can complete the project for 25 billion. Slave labor is cheap... |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:47:22 AM EDT
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I will be impressed if they can complete the project for 25 billion. Slave labor is cheap... They can do a nuke plant for $4B where the identical plant in the US costs $10-12B |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:48:24 AM EDT
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Just do a East to West coast canal right through the U.S.  Put it right on the Tex/Mex border?
Go Chinese! It would be cool to see this happen. I am betting Nicaruaga would make this project go very smoothly provided the elite get their payoff. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:50:58 AM EDT
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How much y'all want to bet China stations a shitload of troops in Nicaragua to protect their new canal?
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:51:28 AM EDT
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Just realized we are talking about pounds sterling... so it is actually more like $39 billion USD.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:55:50 AM EDT
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What's sad is that we "The United States of America" should have done this years ago. Instead we gave our position away as a global leader.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:56:47 AM EDT
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3HvPczuF6H8/TVwFJJqcAVI/AAAAAAAACFs/Es2_uUg5iK4/s1600/political-pictures-chinese-soldier-epic-fail.jpg Have at it fellas. As long as America doesn't support this with engineers and trained supervisors, it will fail. Maybe given 40-50 years China will have something resembling a canal, but by that point I (hope) that the US has woken up to the need for finishing the Panama canal widening. Edit: typo Don't bet on it. They pulled off the Three Gorges Dam, the canal would be a cake walk by comparison. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:57:30 AM EDT
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This is very interesting. The Chinese all but run the Panama Canal now (thanks to that fucking idiot Jimmy P-Nut ) When I was in Panama a few years back the people I talked to didnt like the Chinese much and would have preferred the US to stay around. When we left it really hurt the local economy. They are in the process of building a 2nd canal alongside the first so that larger Post-Panamax ships can use it and be able to go straight to the US east coast and Europe without going through the Suez Canal or using intermodal trains.
The Chinese have the money to do this (our money by the way) and if thats what they want to do then so be it. If there is ever a war that comes around and has to do with the canals hopefully this country is still strong enough to take or destroy them if necessary. Who's got more of who's money? lol. We sold them how much in Treasure Notes? |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:58:02 AM EDT
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Maybe after it's built, Panama and Costa Rica will float away? Now that would create a big a$$ canal!
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Posted: 6/11/2013 11:58:21 AM EDT
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3HvPczuF6H8/TVwFJJqcAVI/AAAAAAAACFs/Es2_uUg5iK4/s1600/political-pictures-chinese-soldier-epic-fail.jpg Have at it fellas. As long as America doesn't support this with engineers and trained supervisors, it will fail. Maybe given 40-50 years China will have something resembling a canal, but by that point I (hope) that the US has woken up to the need for finishing the Panama canal widening. Edit: typo Don't bet on it. They pulled off the Three Gorges Dam, the canal would be a cake walk by comparison. Bingo. Again, it's stupid we didn't do this as a replacement for the Panama Canal. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:15:52 PM EDT
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Is that the lake that is chock full of maneating Bull Sharks who have adapted to living in "fresh" water permanently? Actually, it turns out that Bull sharks can tolerate fresh water. The sharks just cruise up and down the river to the lake. Wonder how far up the Mississippi or Hudson they could make it? |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:20:52 PM EDT
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So what kind of serious earth moving equipment will they be bringing in?
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:23:47 PM EDT
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I have a question for the more internationally minded on here...
Thinking in the long term.... If you were a country and you wanted to establish a significant military presence on another continent. Would you fund a long term project...once completed, make up a 'valid' reason to protect your interest there...oh, say some new terrorist group who was caught trying to destroy part of the project. Then the host country for the project offers to allow you to build a few military bases along or near the project...and the surrounding countries (and, say nearby superpowers) probably wouldn't be able to protest much...you know because of the terrorists.... AFARR |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:26:05 PM EDT
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So what kind of serious earth moving equipment will they be bringing in? 
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:29:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I will be impressed if they can complete the project for 25 billion. Slave labor is cheap... They can do a nuke plant for $4B where the identical plant in the US costs $10-12B How much of the savings come from not putting in safety measures? ETA: I guess the other question is how much extra costs come from EPA stupidity |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:35:37 PM EDT
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Is that the lake that is chock full of maneating Bull Sharks who have adapted to living in "fresh" water permanently? Actually, it turns out that Bull sharks can tolerate fresh water. The sharks just cruise up and down the river to the lake. Wonder how far up the Mississippi or Hudson they could make it? illinois. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:40:22 PM EDT
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This is very interesting. The Chinese all but run the Panama Canal now (thanks to that fucking idiot Jimmy P-Nut ) When I was in Panama a few years back the people I talked to didnt like the Chinese much and would have preferred the US to stay around. When we left it really hurt the local economy. They are in the process of building a 2nd canal alongside the first so that larger Post-Panamax ships can use it and be able to go straight to the US east coast and Europe without going through the Suez Canal or using intermodal trains.
The Chinese have the money to do this (our money by the way) and if thats what they want to do then so be it. If there is ever a war that comes around and has to do with the canals hopefully this country is still strong enough to take or destroy them if necessary. Who's got more of who's money? lol. We sold them how much in Treasure Notes? Yeah, I've a bit confused. I thought the borrowed used the lender's money, not the other way around. What's the motivation for China doing this if they already have control over Panama? It's about as far for Chinese shipping to get to Panama as it is for it to get to southern Europe through the Suez, so I can't see them making great use of this. Are their ships too large for the Suez, forcing them to go around Africa? |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:51:45 PM EDT
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If Three Gorges Dam is any indication on how they handle a project of this size then I can't wait to watch the progression of this 25B train wreck.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:52:48 PM EDT
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I will be impressed if they can complete the project for 25 billion. Slave labor is cheap... They can do a nuke plant for $4B where the identical plant in the US costs $10-12B How much of the savings come from not putting in safety measures? ETA: I guess the other question is how much extra costs come from EPA stupidity Identical plants. Identical safety. No union labor nor endless impact studies & permits. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:53:25 PM EDT
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Actually, it turns out that Bull sharks can tolerate fresh water. The sharks just cruise up and down the river to the lake. Wonder how far up the Mississippi or Hudson they could make it? illinois.[/quote] Yeah, there was a news story a few years ago about a bull shark found near St. Louis IIRC. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:56:25 PM EDT
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It should be fun to see the Chinese steamroll the hippie protesters that will inevitably show up.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 12:59:00 PM EDT
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3HvPczuF6H8/TVwFJJqcAVI/AAAAAAAACFs/Es2_uUg5iK4/s1600/political-pictures-chinese-soldier-epic-fail.jpg Have at it fellas. As long as America doesn't support this with engineers and trained supervisors, it will fail. Maybe given 40-50 years China will have something resembling a canal, but by that point I (hope) that the US has woken up to the need for finishing the Panama canal widening. Edit: typo Don't bet on it. They pulled off the Three Gorges Dam, the canal would be a cake walk by comparison. That's what I was thinking. This canal is just another nail in the coffin of American open ocean supremacy. China will be able to move their future military ships from the east to west in no time and with idiots running this country we won't be able to do a damn thing about it. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:03:10 PM EDT
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Did the Monroe doctrine die? When?
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:08:14 PM EDT
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Did the Monroe doctrine die? When? It is now Gen Tso's Doctrine.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:12:01 PM EDT
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Panama's currency is the US dollar.
This is very interesting. The Chinese all but run the Panama Canal now (thanks to that fucking idiot Jimmy P-Nut ) When I was in Panama a few years back the people I talked to didnt like the Chinese much and would have preferred the US to stay around. When we left it really hurt the local economy. They are in the process of building a 2nd canal alongside the first so that larger Post-Panamax ships can use it and be able to go straight to the US east coast and Europe without going through the Suez Canal or using intermodal trains.
The Chinese have the money to do this (our money by the way) and if thats what they want to do then so be it. If there is ever a war that comes around and has to do with the canals hopefully this country is still strong enough to take or destroy them if necessary. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:14:44 PM EDT
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Did the Monroe doctrine die? When? It is now Gen Tso's Doctrine. So then. They want to play chicken, eh? |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:15:05 PM EDT
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I think we had a plan back in the 50's to build a second canal using nuclear blasting. That would have been cool! Uhhh contaminating the landscape with deadly cancer causing radioactive material isn't cool in my book.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:17:06 PM EDT
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All hail CHINA!!!
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:19:20 PM EDT
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I think we had a plan back in the 50's to build a second canal using nuclear blasting. That would have been cool! Uhhh contaminating the landscape with deadly cancer causing radioactive material isn't cool in my book. That sounds like hippy talk |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:25:00 PM EDT
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Bet they DDT the hell out of the area.
China is now the world leader in space, we can't even put a monkey in orbit now. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:25:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: Maybe after it's built, Panama and Costa Rica will float away? Now that would create a big a$$ canal! Your post made me think of this:  |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:27:58 PM EDT
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But if they put a saltwater lock system and canal through a freshwater lake, it will destroy the lake!!! They would never consider destroying the environment for profit and control! Inconceivable!! I've met a few people who have been to that lake. They say it's spectacularly beautiful, and sure to be ruined if this project is ever completed. Not that the PRC or los hermanos Ortega care. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:35:28 PM EDT
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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3HvPczuF6H8/TVwFJJqcAVI/AAAAAAAACFs/Es2_uUg5iK4/s1600/political-pictures-chinese-soldier-epic-fail.jpg Have at it fellas. As long as America doesn't support this with engineers and trained supervisors, it will fail. Maybe given 40-50 years China will have something resembling a canal, but by that point I (hope) that the US has woken up to the need for finishing the Panama canal widening. Edit: typo Don't bet on it. They pulled off the Three Gorges Dam, the canal would be a cake walk by comparison. Uh, perhaps you need to read up on that project. That was the first thing to come to mind when I read this and the very first indicator, for me at least, of things to come for the new project. Not saying that they won't learn, but if they don't have Western help and resources engineer and supervise this project for them, it will be a failure. Of epic proportions. If you think that the Three Gorges Dam is an engineering marvel that will stand for a century, please do some more research. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:39:10 PM EDT
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I can see it now the Chinese using it to move there warships through it and setting up a Chinese Naval base right next to it. Maybe even setting up some industry down there too.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:48:59 PM EDT
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Malaria is going to be a Bitch.
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:51:40 PM EDT
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I can see it now the Chinese using it to move there warships through it and setting up a Chinese Naval base right next to it. Maybe even setting up some industry down there too. Once the Chinese sailors experience the hotness of the local women, the ships will never leave the dock. |
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Posted: 6/11/2013 1:51:57 PM EDT
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Malaria is going to be a Bitch. China has enough peasants to make it work. This might be part of their population control program. |
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