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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:40:10 PM EDT
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I'll be That Pedant and point out that the topic is "What happened to rifled grenades?"
IIRC, the M203 and M320 are both fired from rifled barrels, ergo rifled grenades are still in quite common use. Ditto the Mk.19, again IIRC. Rifle grenades, on the other hand, have a number of downsides, not least recoil and potential complexity of swapping between ball and blank ammo. Had to go there. 
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Posted: 7/25/2013 10:40:58 PM EDT
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Yeah, what the hell is it??
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Posted: 7/25/2013 11:06:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/26/2013 4:20:35 AM EDT
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Too bad that the RAG - Ring Airfoil Grenade - didn't catch on. Stable accurate flight and targeting in a we conceived design. http://pictures.gunauction.com/7477105011/838a1fa00ecccab4bb9370dc2b8d6251.jpg http://pictures.gunauction.com/7477105011/cb32aa7bb87dcdc3f202d264a155c0a3.jpg http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7007424-0-large.jpg I need to find my photos from the RAG training literature. The targets were long-haired hippie types. 
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Posted: 7/26/2013 5:07:25 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure I'm remembering the name right. It's a dedicated AT 40mm round. Both it and a dedicated HE round were replaced by the DP one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They seem much larger that a 40mm grenade but how much of that is explosives? They look big and heavy with no easy way to carry them in volume. 40mm are small in comparison. The big ones have shaped charges, I believe, requiring the larger size. Aren't the 40mm smokeless, flakless rounds out of service? Not sure what a smokeless, flakless round is? Training "chalk" rounds? http://i43.tinypic.com/13yi8fp.jpg I'm pretty sure I'm remembering the name right. It's a dedicated AT 40mm round. Both it and a dedicated HE round were replaced by the DP one. I have never heard of dedicated HEAP or HEAT round for the 40mm M203. I carried one for several years. The M433 Dual Purpose round has been around since Vietnam. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 8:20:03 AM EDT
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As the M16 was designed from the start to fire rifle grenades without modification, I wonder why we don't develop a small light weight rifle grenade in a bullet-trap or bullet-through style that can be launched with standard service rounds. Kinda like a rifle-launched mini-frag, something small and light enough that you can pass one or two out to everybody who doesn't have an M203. 
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Posted: 7/26/2013 8:45:14 AM EDT
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The Syrian rebels do it better.
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Posted: 7/26/2013 8:48:17 AM EDT
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The big ones have shaped charges, I believe, requiring the larger size. Aren't the 40mm smokeless, flakless rounds out of service? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They seem much larger that a 40mm grenade but how much of that is explosives? They look big and heavy with no easy way to carry them in volume. 40mm are small in comparison. The big ones have shaped charges, I believe, requiring the larger size. Aren't the 40mm smokeless, flakless rounds out of service? HEDP has a shaped charge too. A larger shaped charge from a rifle grenade is irrelevant now with the advent of better composite armors. The 40mm grenades are adequate for unarmored technical vehicles, and they are easier to carry and easier to aim and shoot as well. Quoted:
Too much stuff to do. I like the soviet GP25/30. Shove in round. fire. Not even a shell to eject. Theres a lot of dud fires with those, I deal with them all the time, usually after they get done shooting them at us. |
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Posted: 7/26/2013 9:30:33 AM EDT
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I have never heard of dedicated HEAP or HEAT round for the 40mm M203. I carried one for several years. The M433 Dual Purpose round has been around since Vietnam. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They seem much larger that a 40mm grenade but how much of that is explosives? They look big and heavy with no easy way to carry them in volume. 40mm are small in comparison. The big ones have shaped charges, I believe, requiring the larger size. Aren't the 40mm smokeless, flakless rounds out of service? Not sure what a smokeless, flakless round is? Training "chalk" rounds? http://i43.tinypic.com/13yi8fp.jpg I'm pretty sure I'm remembering the name right. It's a dedicated AT 40mm round. Both it and a dedicated HE round were replaced by the DP one. I have never heard of dedicated HEAP or HEAT round for the 40mm M203. I carried one for several years. The M433 Dual Purpose round has been around since Vietnam. I just found the designation. M463. |
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