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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:35:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:39:31 AM EDT
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Forwarding this to truth about guns and everydaynodaysoff
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:40:37 AM EDT
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NRA and shot show management should have a talk with them about glorifying the evil meme
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:41:10 AM EDT
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Weck mich auf, wenn die Öfen vorgeheizt sind.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:41:51 AM EDT
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Yes, http://www.rambow.de/images/Ehrenbuerger-Mackensen.jpg but that particular rendering (with the lower jaw) was SS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Totenkopf pre-dates the Nazis, much like the Swastika. Don't let the ignorant conscript history. Yes, http://www.rambow.de/images/Ehrenbuerger-Mackensen.jpg but that particular rendering (with the lower jaw) was SS There are countless variations of skulls out there I think I've used a few in my avs. I wouldn't use the one they picked |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:48:18 AM EDT
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I love it when people rock nazi symbology and then Pull the whole "but it's a historical symbol used by bhuddists, and the incas, and the celts, etc , etc". But it's the ONLY ancient symbol they seem to know about. And they only use the "ancient symbols" that the Nazis had co-opted for their own. Kind of a thin and transparent excuse. BBBbbbbbbbuttttt it's historical! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Totenkopf pre-dates the Nazis, much like the Swastika. Don't let the ignorant conscript history. You are correct, but the pre-Nazi Totenkopf was styled differently though. http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/military_photos/imperial-german-soft-headgear/167408d1294060007-prussian-hussars-skull-hussar-big-skull.jpg I love it when people rock nazi symbology and then Pull the whole "but it's a historical symbol used by bhuddists, and the incas, and the celts, etc , etc". But it's the ONLY ancient symbol they seem to know about. And they only use the "ancient symbols" that the Nazis had co-opted for their own. Kind of a thin and transparent excuse. BBBbbbbbbbuttttt it's historical! An Indian girl I knew in college was doodling swastikas on her notebook one day in class, until I explained to her the background and how it was seen in the West. Symbols have been stolen and passed around for milennia. They also tend, for better or worse, to take on the connotation of the last user, particularly if it was a famous or controversal one. Somehow I'm not surprised at their move, after reading their legal complaint that should have been written in crayon. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:48:39 AM EDT
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Where are the S runes?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:50:42 AM EDT
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SEI is dumb and all, anne frankly, I did nazi this coming.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:53:09 AM EDT
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SEI is dumb and all, anne frankly, I did nazi this coming.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:53:09 AM EDT
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Is one of their owners a Marine Scout Sniper?
If not, it's lame. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:59:52 AM EDT
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Can we take bets on if they will merge with Troy?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 5:59:54 AM EDT
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I'm not an 88er, but I'm not offended by the totenkopf. I think it's incredibly stupid to use it as a company logo knowing how it was used in the past, but he has the right to do it if he wants. The way folks are today that was not a bright move. Bye, SEI.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:08:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHaha. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:12:01 AM EDT
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Nope, not the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Peacekeepermissileuniform.jpg United States Air Force 400th Missile Squadron uniform, from sometime between 1995 and 2005, with modified Totenkopf on shoulder sleeve insignia Nope, not the same. Uhhh ok. The only thing they have in common, is they both have a skull. Nice try though..
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:18:02 AM EDT
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1) Poorly drawn. Looks like a 14 year old doodled it on the margins of his math homework.
2) Looks WAAAAY to close to the SS skull. Jesus - at least reverse the direction of the skull. Fun related video - 
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:18:25 AM EDT
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/25/Peacekeepermissileuniform.jpg United States Air Force 400th Missile Squadron uniform, from sometime between 1995 and 2005, with modified Totenkopf on shoulder sleeve insignia There are countless ways to do cool skull images without using the exact same as someone else |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:22:08 AM EDT
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1) Poorly drawn. Looks like a 14 year old doodled it on the margins of his math homework. 2) Looks WAAAAY to close to the SS skull. Jesus - at least reverse the direction of the skull. Fun related video -  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRUIt is practically identical, look at the eyes and the lines on the skull. 
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:23:34 AM EDT
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It is practically identical, look at the eyes and the lines on the skull.
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1) Poorly drawn. Looks like a 14 year old doodled it on the margins of his math homework. 2) Looks WAAAAY to close to the SS skull. Jesus - at least reverse the direction of the skull. Fun related video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRUIt is practically identical, look at the eyes and the lines on the skull.
Same number of teeth even. Don't forget this one: 
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:28:17 AM EDT
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Same number of teeth even. Don't forget this one: http://www.pzg.biz/v706_waffen_ss_round.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) Poorly drawn. Looks like a 14 year old doodled it on the margins of his math homework. 2) Looks WAAAAY to close to the SS skull. Jesus - at least reverse the direction of the skull. Fun related video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRUIt is practically identical, look at the eyes and the lines on the skull. http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss12/maleantemalandro/SEIlogo_zps61266130.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/SS_Totenkopf_Fahne.svg/500px-SS_Totenkopf_Fahne.svg.png Same number of teeth even. Don't forget this one: http://www.pzg.biz/v706_waffen_ss_round.jpg I'm not offended or angry about this but I certainly don't want that fucking symbol on any of my rifles. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:28:30 AM EDT
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It is practically identical, look at the eyes and the lines on the skull. http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss12/maleantemalandro/SEIlogo_zps61266130.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/SS_Totenkopf_Fahne.svg/500px-SS_Totenkopf_Fahne.svg.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1) Poorly drawn. Looks like a 14 year old doodled it on the margins of his math homework. 2) Looks WAAAAY to close to the SS skull. Jesus - at least reverse the direction of the skull. Fun related video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRUIt is practically identical, look at the eyes and the lines on the skull. http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss12/maleantemalandro/SEIlogo_zps61266130.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/SS_Totenkopf_Fahne.svg/500px-SS_Totenkopf_Fahne.svg.png I'm agreeing with you. And gun nuts who know history will recognize this. WTF were they thinking? |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:29:57 AM EDT
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I think them going from "The totenkopf is totally cool and we stole it because victory" to "there's lots of skulls, yo" says a lot.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:30:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:35:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Needs moar lightning bolts.   |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:35:58 AM EDT
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The DAK was never implicated in any war crimes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whats next, a joint product release with DAK? Oops, I mean US Palm? The DAK was never implicated in any war crimes. Truth. They weren't involved in the concentration camps and mass-murder of civilians or mistreatment of enemy soldiers. Hell, Rommel himself was killed for being part of a conspiracy to overthrow Hitler. Afrika korps was pretty respectable and fought very well. They are really only tainted because they were on the wrong team. But they were on the wrong team and because of that, it's walking a fine line to use a logo in homage to DAK. But for SEI to outright copy the well-known SS Totenkopf is unbelievably bad taste and just an insanely bad idea. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:37:30 AM EDT
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"The SS used lots of skulls. They can't trademark them all!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
"The SS used lots of skulls. They can't trademark them all!" You'll hear from Hitler's Lawyers over this... |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:40:24 AM EDT
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You'll hear from Hitler's Lawyers over this... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The SS used lots of skulls. They can't trademark them all!" You'll hear from Hitler's Lawyers over this... It would be fucking awesome if Stormfront, or some neo-nazi organization in Indiana or somewhere, actually sued SEI for using "their" nazi SS symbol. 
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:40:45 AM EDT
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Illinois Nazis are just just glad that not eveyone hates them.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:41:52 AM EDT
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It would be fucking awesome if Stormfront, or some neo-nazi organization in Indiana or somewhere, actually sued SEI for using "their" nazi SS symbol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The SS used lots of skulls. They can't trademark them all!" You'll hear from Hitler's Lawyers over this... It would be fucking awesome if Stormfront, or some neo-nazi organization in Indiana or somewhere, actually sued SEI for using "their" nazi SS symbol. Hey! Wrong state there bucko. I think you mean Idaho or Southern California.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:43:06 AM EDT
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The guy that approved it, must have graduated at the top of his class to look at that think-"Yea, I like it. Let's go with that."
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:43:47 AM EDT
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Hey! Wrong state there bucko. I think you mean Idaho or Southern California.
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"The SS used lots of skulls. They can't trademark them all!" You'll hear from Hitler's Lawyers over this... It would be fucking awesome if Stormfront, or some neo-nazi organization in Indiana or somewhere, actually sued SEI for using "their" nazi SS symbol. Hey! Wrong state there bucko. I think you mean Idaho or Southern California.
Sorry 
I remember hearing that neo-nazis are really big in one of those "I" states, and thought it was Indiana.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:45:24 AM EDT
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Kinda reminds me of the end of Gilliam's Time Bandits Mom! Dad! Don't touch that! Its Evil!!! They could totally own the goat head in an inverted pentagram logo too That would be really sweet Hell I can't think of war crimes committed by Satanists The SS has more confirmed kills than Satan |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:46:18 AM EDT
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Those guys are at SHOT show right now, they really need to have a WWII Veteran call them on this publicly. I'm sure there is at least one WWII Veteran at SHOT... heck JFPO should get in on it too.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:47:15 AM EDT
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Sorry
I remember hearing that neo-nazis are really big in one of those "I" states, and thought it was Indiana. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would be fucking awesome if Stormfront, or some neo-nazi organization in Indiana or somewhere, actually sued SEI for using "their" nazi SS symbol. Hey! Wrong state there bucko. I think you mean Idaho or Southern California.
Sorry
I remember hearing that neo-nazis are really big in one of those "I" states, and thought it was Indiana. Go back to grading papers Professor. 
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:48:16 AM EDT
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Sorry
I remember hearing that neo-nazis are really big in one of those "I" states, and thought it was Indiana. You were close. (Southern) Illinois. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:50:01 AM EDT
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Wow that's incredibly stupid and in poor taste.
Any links or background on SEI suing people? I missed out on that. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:50:26 AM EDT
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I hope you have a good lawyer...
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Posted: 1/16/2014 6:52:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Totenkopf, yes. The SS-Totenkopf? Well, no, that didn't pre-date the Nazis. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Totenkopf pre-dates the Nazis, much like the Swastika. Don't let the ignorant conscript history. Totenkopf, yes. The SS-Totenkopf? Well, no, that didn't pre-date the Nazis. That's clearly an Schutzstaffel (SS) totenkopf (skull and crossbones). The parallel femur bones under the skull are the key design feature of the SS totenkopf.  The Imperial German (previously Prussian) 1st and 2nd Life Guard Hussar Regiments (descendant from the Prussian 5th Hussar Regiment) "Totenkopfhusssaren" (Deaths Head Hussars) used a different totenkopf - this is Princess Luise of Prussia in their uniform:  Like the Wehrmacht (Heer) panzertruppen totenkopf, the bones are crossed below the skull. The British 17th Lancers (now amalgamated as the Queens Own Lancers) use a similar cap badge. Queens Own:  Hitler-era German Army Panzer troops totenkopf:  |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:02:51 AM EDT
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 Uh,more Americans died trying to defeat slavery than National Socialism...you know that,right?
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My reply: have you ever stood in a place where the SS murdered people? I've stood against the wall where people who wore that skull with pride machine gunned innocent from all over Europe. The 9th Fort in Kaunas Lithuania. It makes an impression on you, seeing the pockmarked concrete walls. I tried to imagine what it would have been like, to be helpless, to have the last thing you see is a man in an SS uniform pull the trigger on an mg-42. It is a place of unspeakable evil, a place that you feel the evils of the past stabbing their knives into your very soul, a place where evil triumphed and freedom burned. To compare the confederate flag to the symbol of the SS is ludacris. To suggest that you are being some kind of culture warrior against the politically correct leftist crowd by using this symbol is equally absurd. It has nothing to do with being tough, or bad ass. THOUSANDS of AMERICAN servicemen gave their lives to defeat this kind of evil, and you are branding your company with a symbol they fought, bled, and died to rid the world of, to prevent it from taking more lives. Shame on you, you are as foolish as you are ignorant. Our honored dead, the men who gave everything to stop this evil at places like Bastogne, Malmady, and Normandy are rolling over in their graves as we speak. Your "point of view" is an insult to every american solider who ever laced up a boot from 1941-1945. Why not pick a rising sun, or a hammer and sickle? I will tell you why. The fact is, like it or not, symbols have meaning, and the totenkopf will be forever linked with murder of innocents, death, destruction and oppression. Uh,more Americans died trying to defeat slavery than National Socialism...you know that,right?
True. I have friends in Russia, I know who did the leavy lifting defeating the nazis 
And, no that is not a joke about Estonia being Russia (maybe just Narva?) BUT at the same time, the SS put American airmen in concentration camps and executed American POWs at Malmedy, in addition to other war crimes. SS men, their uniforms, and even those with a blood group tattoo under their arm (even though that wasn't just SS) were separated out from the rest of the POWs the Americans took. The average GI may not have felt a particular malice towards regular German GI Fritz, but the SS were hated, and known to be the enemy because of what they did. They were not shown any quarter.
Its not a good idea for an American gun company who is trying to market a product associated with freedom (copies of a service rifle) to share a logo with a group who murdered a pretty large number American servicemen. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:02:52 AM EDT
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That's clearly an Schutzstaffel (SS) totenkopf (skull and crossbones). The parallel femur bones under the skull are the key design feature of the SS totenkopf. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/SS_Totenkopf.jpg/262px-SS_Totenkopf.jpg The Imperial German (previously Prussian) 1st and 2nd Life Guard Hussar Regiments (descendant from the Prussian 5th Hussar Regiment) "Totenkopfhusssaren" (Deaths Head Hussars) used a different totenkopf - this is Princess Luise of Prussia in their uniform: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg5kjkNiui1qaphz7o1_500.jpg Like the Wehrmacht (Heer) panzertruppen totenkopf, the bones are crossed below the skull. The British 17th Lancers (now amalgamated as the Queens Own Lancers) use a similar cap badge. Queens Own: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/17th_Lancers_badge.jpg Hitler-era German Army Panzer troops totenkopf: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Panzer_Totenkopf.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Totenkopf pre-dates the Nazis, much like the Swastika. Don't let the ignorant conscript history. Totenkopf, yes. The SS-Totenkopf? Well, no, that didn't pre-date the Nazis. That's clearly an Schutzstaffel (SS) totenkopf (skull and crossbones). The parallel femur bones under the skull are the key design feature of the SS totenkopf. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/SS_Totenkopf.jpg/262px-SS_Totenkopf.jpg The Imperial German (previously Prussian) 1st and 2nd Life Guard Hussar Regiments (descendant from the Prussian 5th Hussar Regiment) "Totenkopfhusssaren" (Deaths Head Hussars) used a different totenkopf - this is Princess Luise of Prussia in their uniform: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg5kjkNiui1qaphz7o1_500.jpg Like the Wehrmacht (Heer) panzertruppen totenkopf, the bones are crossed below the skull. The British 17th Lancers (now amalgamated as the Queens Own Lancers) use a similar cap badge. Queens Own: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/17th_Lancers_badge.jpg Hitler-era German Army Panzer troops totenkopf: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Panzer_Totenkopf.jpg Exactly. Obviously, "skull and bones" symbology has been around for a long time, and used in lots of different contexts. Obviously, when the HMS Conqueror flew the Jolly Roger after sinking the Balgrano, for example, we all understood the context. The clear issue with SEI's new logo/mascot/symbol is that it so clearly and unambiguously is not just a generic skull and bones, nor one that is generally derived from pirate flags or old military logos - but is specifically a duplicate but the infamous SS totenkopf. The stupidity involved in such spectacularly bad judgment is truly amazing. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:06:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Imperial German (previously Prussian) 1st and 2nd Life Guard Hussar Regiments (descendant from the Prussian 5th Hussar Regiment) "Totenkopfhusssaren" (Deaths Head Hussars) used a different totenkopf - this is Princess Luise of Prussia in their uniform: Thats hot.
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:08:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know about feigned offense...let me ask my grandfather if he is cool with it after the Nazi's blew his ship to the bottom of the North Sea. Stupid and disrespectful move. I realize there is a whole generation now who don't have any relatives that fought the Nazi's and so we forget. But though my grandfather is 94 I still will honor his and my great uncles sacrifices for my country. You can just ignore that generation of hero's since you have had your fill. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I find all the feigned offense and worry that others might possibly be offended disgusting. I guess I've just had my fill of it. I don't know about feigned offense...let me ask my grandfather if he is cool with it after the Nazi's blew his ship to the bottom of the North Sea. Stupid and disrespectful move. I realize there is a whole generation now who don't have any relatives that fought the Nazi's and so we forget. But though my grandfather is 94 I still will honor his and my great uncles sacrifices for my country. You can just ignore that generation of hero's since you have had your fill. Marine Scout Snipers used the double lighting bolt "sig runes" for years. The douchebaggery was in claiming that they didn't mean this to mean what it is:  You can't ape or adopt the symbols of the SS and have people not assume you are fully aware of what they are and are doing it deliberately. SEI's new logo was the badge on the cap of every SS man from Himmler to the guys at the death camps. It was the right collar badge of 3rd SS Panzer "Totenkopf", which was raised from the SS-Totenkopfverbande (Death Head Units) who were the concentration camp guards. It's not the Prussian Death's Head Hussars badge or the 17th Lancers' badge or the Wehrmacht panzer troops' badge. It's the SS badge. Someone wanted to be kewl and tie into Scout Snipers in a way he thought no one would get. He chose poorly. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:11:04 AM EDT
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http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg5kjkNiui1qaphz7o1_500.jpg Thats hot. Totes mcgotes |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:12:49 AM EDT
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Quoted:The Imperial German (previously Prussian) 1st and 2nd Life Guard Hussar Regiments (descendant from the Prussian 5th Hussar Regiment) "Totenkopfhusssaren" (Deaths Head Hussars) used a different totenkopf - this is Princess Luise of Prussia in their uniform:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg5kjkNiui1qaphz7o1_500.jpg Thats hot. She's surprisingly hot, actually. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:15:52 AM EDT
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Where can I order one of those uniforms for my wife?
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:17:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "The SS used lots of skulls. They can't trademark them all!" Quote HistoryQuoted: "The SS used lots of skulls. They can't trademark them all!" Actually they used one (that one) and in point of fact did "trademark" it - non-SS commercial use (like for souvenirs or steins) had to be approved and royalties were collected. The SS had a commercial administration office. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:18:26 AM EDT
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Well, and I would suggest that however poor the decision was to use the SS symbol by the scout snipers, it was not something they advertised and used as their calling card. It was a kind of inside joke type of thing where the letters "SS" literally had double meaning.....they just chose an existing logo, though in bad taste.
I think it's an entirely different thing to use a symbol that only has ONE meaning and use it as your COMPANY'S logo. That's just another level of stupid. The US Palm thing doesn't even compare in my mind. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:18:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And they're actually, you know, Indians. Unlike the Lumbee... QFT |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:19:19 AM EDT
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Where can I order one of those uniforms for my wife? http://www.sutlers.co.uk/index.html http://www.uniformandtunics.co.uk/ |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:22:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was reading about the Etruscans (Pre Roman Empire society) and they had a surviving example of one of their gold coins with four swastikas on it... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Totenkopf pre-dates the Nazis, much like the Swastika. Don't let the ignorant conscript history. lol http://fangamers.net/imagehosting/17352d7559ab0e64.jpg I was reading about the Etruscans (Pre Roman Empire society) and they had a surviving example of one of their gold coins with four swastikas on it... While the symbol itself predates the Nazis, but if you use a bold black swastika in a white circle on red background for your logo you can't really argue when people accuse you of being a Nazi admirer. |
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Posted: 1/16/2014 7:28:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope you have a good lawyer... Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope you have a good lawyer... "The swastika has been used by societies all over the world since ancient times. The Nazis' used plenty of different swastikas and they didn't trade mark all of them. This isn't a Nazi swastika, it's a SEI swastika and we're claiming it." |
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