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Posted: 3/17/2014 6:44:05 AM EDT
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Well armed is not the same as being capable, experienced, or resolved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apart from Russia Well armed is not the same as being capable, experienced, or resolved. Didn't the Poles get a bunch of Leopard tanks from Germany? They did pretty good in the Gulf too. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 6:44:32 AM EDT
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Yeah, but what does the best equipment help if you're too scared to use it. 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SekrVjD5lRA/TewO4S2PfWI/AAAAAAAAA1g/85mOGfSyuVE/s1600/cartoon.gif The FFL is something different, but only the officers are french. 
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Civilian? UK and France nobody else, really Yeah, but what does the best equipment help if you're too scared to use it.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SekrVjD5lRA/TewO4S2PfWI/AAAAAAAAA1g/85mOGfSyuVE/s1600/cartoon.gif The FFL is something different, but only the officers are french.
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:04:55 AM EDT
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isnt this on wikipedia? WTAF Everything on ARFCOM is on the internet somewhere else, why do you even log in here? |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:22:31 AM EDT
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The Poles have a capable military.
It's not on the level of the UK or France, but they're capable. They have 360 MBTs (many of them Leopards) plus 350 operational T-72s in reserve. They also have a shitload of IFVs and a bunch of APCs. They can field a ton of tube and rocket artillery as well and have a lot of ATGMs and RPGs. Their Air Force has 48 F-16s, 31 Mig-29s, and 32 SU-22s. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:25:46 AM EDT
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Russia would overrun Europe in 15 days. Everything Germany and France have, Russia has more of. lol no -Joseph Stalin Most of Russia's tanks are still T-72s, the path across Europe would be quite bright because it'd look like this 
Kontakt 1 isn't proof against modern ATGMs like Spike,Javelin and RBS56. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:30:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of Russia's tanks are still T-72s, the path across Europe would be quite bright because it'd look like this  http://youtu.be/KINYNtcHtagKontakt 1 isn't proof against modern ATGMs like Spike,Javelin and RBS56. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russia would overrun Europe in 15 days. Everything Germany and France have, Russia has more of. lol no -Joseph Stalin Most of Russia's tanks are still T-72s, the path across Europe would be quite bright because it'd look like this http://youtu.be/KINYNtcHtagKontakt 1 isn't proof against modern ATGMs like Spike,Javelin and RBS56. Holy shit I wonder what kind of ATGM that was.
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:34:52 AM EDT
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Most likely a Chinese HJ-8,Qatar has sent loads of them to Syria.
There have been a few instances of Chinese ATGMs and MANPADS detonating in the tube upon firing down there 
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:35:21 AM EDT
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Apart from Russia Nobody wants to point out that Russia isn't European? Seriously? WTF is wrong with GD now days letting this slide like that? |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:35:24 AM EDT
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Most of Russia's tanks are still T-72s, the path across Europe would be quite bright because it'd look like this http://youtu.be/KINYNtcHtag
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Russia would overrun Europe in 15 days. Everything Germany and France have, Russia has more of. lol no -Joseph Stalin Most of Russia's tanks are still T-72s, the path across Europe would be quite bright because it'd look like this http://youtu.be/KINYNtcHtag
Kontakt 1 isn't proof against modern ATGMs like Spike,Javelin and RBS56. That tank blew the fuck up. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:35:59 AM EDT
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Red Storm Rising is still an excellent book to read!
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:38:46 AM EDT
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Most of Russia's tanks are still T-72s, the path across Europe would be quite bright because it'd look like this http://youtu.be/KINYNtcHtag
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Russia would overrun Europe in 15 days. Everything Germany and France have, Russia has more of. lol no -Joseph Stalin Most of Russia's tanks are still T-72s, the path across Europe would be quite bright because it'd look like this http://youtu.be/KINYNtcHtag
Kontakt 1 isn't proof against modern ATGMs like Spike,Javelin and RBS56. Holy snackbar! 
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:49:38 AM EDT
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Nobody wants to point out that Russia isn't European? Seriously? WTF is wrong with GD now days letting this slide like that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apart from Russia Nobody wants to point out that Russia isn't European? Seriously? WTF is wrong with GD now days letting this slide like that? Europe stretches as far as the Urals. Thus, Russia is European. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:56:39 AM EDT
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Europe stretches as far as the Urals. Thus, Russia is European. I concur. 
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Posted: 3/17/2014 7:59:31 AM EDT
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Russia's military is far less competent than people generally believe. They no longer have the scale of the Soviet days, but still have the corruption, shitty NCO corps, poor maintenance, bad equipment, etc. While they absolutely can field SOME well equipped and well trained units, the bulk of their military is crap. Plus, the French would nuke the shit out of them without hesitation, if they advanced too far. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Russia would overrun Europe in 15 days. Everything Germany and France have, Russia has more of. We need another Reagan. And ERWs. Russia's military is far less competent than people generally believe. They no longer have the scale of the Soviet days, but still have the corruption, shitty NCO corps, poor maintenance, bad equipment, etc. While they absolutely can field SOME well equipped and well trained units, the bulk of their military is crap. Plus, the French would nuke the shit out of them without hesitation, if they advanced too far. Absolutely. They're way behind in the military 'reform' plan. They can put bodies in line but I think if a fight started they'd be good for little other than static defense against western forces. However the thing is once lead starts to fly the neutrons are not far behind with Russia. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:00:00 AM EDT
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France followed by Great Britain. All the surrender monkey bullshit aside, the French are the only one of them that can actually project power globally and they've got a credible nuclear deterrent and the mindset to use it. What makes you say that? Why are you so sure the French would have no qualms about nuking Russia (or anybody else)? |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:10:56 AM EDT
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What makes you say that? Why are you so sure the French would have no qualms about nuking Russia (or anybody else)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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France followed by Great Britain. All the surrender monkey bullshit aside, the French are the only one of them that can actually project power globally and they've got a credible nuclear deterrent and the mindset to use it. What makes you say that? Why are you so sure the French would have no qualms about nuking Russia (or anybody else)? France's strategic nuclear stance is not really a secret. Plus, they'd LOVE the opportunity to nuke Russian forces on German soil (on their way to France) - that would simply be a win-win for France.
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:16:40 AM EDT
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Daily reminder the Germans have 225 main battle tanks. That's it. How many does Canada have? Yes, but ours feature a full automatic bagged milk launcher. Our tanks are also capable of dispensing an extremely sticky maple syrup screen. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:22:30 AM EDT
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Europe stretches as far as the Urals. Thus, Russia is European. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apart from Russia Nobody wants to point out that Russia isn't European? Seriously? WTF is wrong with GD now days letting this slide like that? Europe stretches as far as the Urals. Thus, Russia is European. There's a small piece of Russia that is on the European continent...but that makes Russia European as much as me being a veteran makes me Carlos Hathcock: 
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:28:31 AM EDT
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There's a small piece of Russia that is on the European continent...but that makes Russia European as much as me being a veteran makes me Carlos Hathcock: http://www.mapsofworld.com/continents/images2011/world-continent-map.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apart from Russia Nobody wants to point out that Russia isn't European? Seriously? WTF is wrong with GD now days letting this slide like that? Europe stretches as far as the Urals. Thus, Russia is European. There's a small piece of Russia that is on the European continent...but that makes Russia European as much as me being a veteran makes me Carlos Hathcock: http://www.mapsofworld.com/continents/images2011/world-continent-map.jpg What percentage of the Russian population is on the European side? |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:36:01 AM EDT
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Civilian? UK and France nobody else, really Yeah, but what does the best equipment help if you're too scared to use it.
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:43:24 AM EDT
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Yes, but ours feature a full automatic bagged milk launcher. Our tanks are also capable of dispensing an extremely sticky maple syrup screen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Daily reminder the Germans have 225 main battle tanks. That's it. How many does Canada have? Yes, but ours feature a full automatic bagged milk launcher. Our tanks are also capable of dispensing an extremely sticky maple syrup screen.  
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:45:25 AM EDT
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Turkey,by numbers and if you count it as European. Russia doesn't have the numbers they once did but also they've not had anything close to the operational experience NATO forces have had in the past 13 years. This. They're pretty soft right now compared to NATO. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:47:03 AM EDT
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France's strategic nuclear stance is not really a secret. Plus, they'd LOVE the opportunity to nuke Russian forces on German soil (on their way to France) - that would simply be a win-win for France. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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France followed by Great Britain. All the surrender monkey bullshit aside, the French are the only one of them that can actually project power globally and they've got a credible nuclear deterrent and the mindset to use it. What makes you say that? Why are you so sure the French would have no qualms about nuking Russia (or anybody else)? France's strategic nuclear stance is not really a secret. Plus, they'd LOVE the opportunity to nuke Russian forces on German soil (on their way to France) - that would simply be a win-win for France. Two birds, one stone, as it were. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 8:49:21 AM EDT
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De Swiss. There is reason they never get invaded. Ooh, I know this! Is it because they are a mountainous country with a large portion of their country based upon services, such as added value services like banking and not easily exploitable natural resources? |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 9:09:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would mean saigaman couldn't start another thread though  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: isnt this on wikipedia? WTAF That would mean saigaman couldn't start another thread though |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 9:32:01 AM EDT
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This. They're pretty soft right now compared to NATO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Turkey,by numbers and if you count it as European. Russia doesn't have the numbers they once did but also they've not had anything close to the operational experience NATO forces have had in the past 13 years. This. They're pretty soft right now compared to NATO. Chechnya wasn't a cakewalk. And the Russians fight mean--meaner than us. They settled the Second Chechen War by launching ballistic missiles into a market and a maternity ward. Then they shelled Grozny into the dirt. They're still rebuilding. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 9:34:04 AM EDT
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Chechnya wasn't a cakewalk. And the Russians fight mean--meaner than us. They settled the Second Chechen War by launching ballistic missiles into a market and a maternity ward. Then they shelled Grozny into the dirt. They're still rebuilding. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Turkey,by numbers and if you count it as European. Russia doesn't have the numbers they once did but also they've not had anything close to the operational experience NATO forces have had in the past 13 years. This. They're pretty soft right now compared to NATO. Chechnya wasn't a cakewalk. And the Russians fight mean--meaner than us. They settled the Second Chechen War by launching ballistic missiles into a market and a maternity ward. Then they shelled Grozny into the dirt. They're still rebuilding. Yep, the Russians have achieved less than spectacular results in Chechnya and Georgia with incredibly liberal ROE's. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 10:36:33 AM EDT
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De Swiss. There is reason they never get invaded. That reason is terrain and bottlenecks. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 10:42:19 AM EDT
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De Swiss. There is reason they never get invaded. That reason is terrain and bottlenecks. Hush. We need to maintain the myth that they are all gun- toting mountain Ramboes because it helps us make the argument that we need the 2A to not be invaded by Austria. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 10:44:11 AM EDT
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Russians aren't going anywhere. It's US and NATO aggression that is pushing the war. Crimea and the Ukraine is none of our business. If we wanted to stop the Russians, just stock warehouses filled with alcohol. Once the Russians find it, it's over. Three days of drinking and we can walk in and disarm them. Besides, if Russia really wanted to ph*ck with the West, they'd dump foreign currencies (especially U. S. Treasuries) and demand gold or rubles/yuan for their oil and gas. Economic warfare can achieve what military might cannot. LOL. This post is so full of fail. What good is all that oil and gas if it's too difficult for you to sell? In reality, they actually need the foreign currencies more than we need their oil and gas (Europe and gas on the other hand, who knows). They would be soundly defeated in economic warfare. Do you know how crippled they would be without all that incoming cash for their oil and gas? There is a reason cheap Russian/Russian captured milsurps flood the market when oil drops below $90 per barrel. |
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Posted: 3/17/2014 10:50:02 AM EDT
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The Poles have a capable military. It's not on the level of the UK or France, but they're capable. They have 360 MBTs (many of them Leopards) plus 350 operational T-72s in reserve. They also have a shitload of IFVs and a bunch of APCs. They can field a ton of tube and rocket artillery as well and have a lot of ATGMs and RPGs. Their Air Force has 48 F-16s, 31 Mig-29s, and 32 SU-22s. IIRC they upgradeed their t-72's to a higher standard with ERA panels, electronics and what not. Dunno if this would make them more than a speed bump but one can hope. |
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Posted: 3/18/2014 5:59:57 PM EDT
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There's a small piece of Russia that is on the European continent...but that makes Russia European as much as me being a veteran makes me Carlos Hathcock: http://www.mapsofworld.com/continents/images2011/world-continent-map.jpg What percentage of the Russian population is on the European side? I'll put it to you like this. General Patton believed Russia to be Asiatic...so I stand by my belief with a man like that in my corner: The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.
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Posted: 3/18/2014 6:09:13 PM EDT
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De Swiss. There is reason they never get invaded. Because mountain merchants have no real resources to bennefit from. Especially not at the cost of invading them. They would get overrun if they had something worth taking. Ding ding ding. That has always been the plan. I wouldn't be so sure about that. Your chocolates are pretty damn awesome. |
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Posted: 3/18/2014 6:13:43 PM EDT
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Turkey,by numbers and if you count it as European. Russia doesn't have the numbers they once did but also they've not had anything close to the operational experience NATO forces have had in the past 13 years. This. They're pretty soft right now compared to NATO. Chechnya wasn't a cakewalk. And the Russians fight mean--meaner than us. They settled the Second Chechen War by launching ballistic missiles into a market and a maternity ward. Then they shelled Grozny into the dirt. They're still rebuilding. Because they have balls and want to win...people die in war, and the faggot average American cannot deal with pictures of actual violence. since youtube and 24/7 war coverage, MSM will put you on the point of a knife for doing anything questionable, therein is why the US will never win another war..we(general public) cannot stomach what it takes to actually, without question, win a war..the general public is bunch of pussies And I am not condemning "war atrocities", but when you are attempting to destroy your foes ability or will to wage war (the only 2 ways to win a war), it is not going to be either politically correct or pretty |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 6:06:15 AM EDT
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I'll put it to you like this. General Patton believed Russia to be Asiatic...so I stand by my belief with a man like that in my corner: Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a small piece of Russia that is on the European continent...but that makes Russia European as much as me being a veteran makes me Carlos Hathcock: http://www.mapsofworld.com/continents/images2011/world-continent-map.jpg What percentage of the Russian population is on the European side? I'll put it to you like this. General Patton believed Russia to be Asiatic...so I stand by my belief with a man like that in my corner: The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.
Statement (8 August 1945), as quoted in General Patton : A Soldier's Life (2002) by Stanley P. Hirshson, p. 650 It's not that simple. Patton was mistaken. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 6:08:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2014 6:17:12 AM EDT
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It's not that simple. Patton was mistaken. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a small piece of Russia that is on the European continent...but that makes Russia European as much as me being a veteran makes me Carlos Hathcock: http://www.mapsofworld.com/continents/images2011/world-continent-map.jpg What percentage of the Russian population is on the European side? I'll put it to you like this. General Patton believed Russia to be Asiatic...so I stand by my belief with a man like that in my corner: The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.
Statement (8 August 1945), as quoted in General Patton : A Soldier's Life (2002) by Stanley P. Hirshson, p. 650 It's not that simple. Patton was mistaken. So, Russia is Europe because an insignificant Mountain range that doesn't even reach all the way down the land mass is a clear, non disputable definer of what is Europe? Russia is the bastard mongrel cultural offspring of the Mongols and Kieven Rus (and possibly some Orcs), with a weird love/hate thing for Europe, and no concept of the shared heritage and cultural understanding of actual Europeans. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:01:07 AM EDT
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So, Russia is Europe because an insignificant Mountain range that doesn't even reach all the way down the land mass is a clear, non disputable definer of what is Europe? Russia is the bastard mongrel cultural offspring of the Mongols and Kieven Rus (and possibly some Orcs), with a weird love/hate thing for Europe, and no concept of the shared heritage and cultural understanding of actual Europeans. The geographical borders of Europe have been defined for centuries, the Urals are what separates Europe from Asia. Arguing otherwise is silly. Culturally, the Russians are a mix between influences from Central and Northern Europe, as well as from the peoples of the steppe. The Russians are the red-haired step children of Europe, but they're still European. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:06:24 AM EDT
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The French, certainly. The Brits. The Germans, for what it's worth these days. The Swedes know a thing or two about making weapon systems, even if they don't have the biggest army. The Finns and Danes have some cool stuff. Poland is becoming pretty decent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:08:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:12:55 AM EDT
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I'll put it to you like this. General Patton believed Russia to be Asiatic...so I stand by my belief with a man like that in my corner: Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a small piece of Russia that is on the European continent...but that makes Russia European as much as me being a veteran makes me Carlos Hathcock: http://www.mapsofworld.com/continents/images2011/world-continent-map.jpg What percentage of the Russian population is on the European side? I'll put it to you like this. General Patton believed Russia to be Asiatic...so I stand by my belief with a man like that in my corner: The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.
Statement (8 August 1945), as quoted in General Patton : A Soldier's Life (2002) by Stanley P. Hirshson, p. 650 You confuse Europe's geography with Patton's hagiography. Let's try it again: Ural Mountains Ural River Caspian Sea Caucasus Mountains Black Sea Bosphorus |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:21:29 AM EDT
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The geographical borders of Europe have been defined for centuries, the Urals are what separates Europe from Asia. Arguing otherwise is silly. Culturally, the Russians are a mix between influences from Central and Northern Europe, as well as from the peoples of the steppe. The Russians are the red-haired step children of Europe, but they're still European. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, Russia is Europe because an insignificant Mountain range that doesn't even reach all the way down the land mass is a clear, non disputable definer of what is Europe? Russia is the bastard mongrel cultural offspring of the Mongols and Kieven Rus (and possibly some Orcs), with a weird love/hate thing for Europe, and no concept of the shared heritage and cultural understanding of actual Europeans. The geographical borders of Europe have been defined for centuries, the Urals are what separates Europe from Asia. Arguing otherwise is silly. Culturally, the Russians are a mix between influences from Central and Northern Europe, as well as from the peoples of the steppe. The Russians are the red-haired step children of Europe, but they're still European. People used to think the sun revolved around the Earth. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:24:01 AM EDT
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So, Russia is Europe because an insignificant Mountain range that doesn't even reach all the way down the land mass is a clear, non disputable definer of what is Europe? Russia is the bastard mongrel cultural offspring of the Mongols and Kieven Rus (and possibly some Orcs), with a weird love/hate thing for Europe, and no concept of the shared heritage and cultural understanding of actual Europeans. The geographical borders of Europe have been defined for centuries, the Urals are what separates Europe from Asia. Arguing otherwise is silly. Culturally, the Russians are a mix between influences from Central and Northern Europe, as well as from the peoples of the steppe. The Russians are the red-haired step children of Europe, but they're still European. People used to think the sun revolved around the Earth. Only on Arfcom have I encountered people who try to redefine European geography.
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:24:07 AM EDT
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Hungary has SHIT.....
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:37:29 AM EDT
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Europe stretches as far as the Urals. Thus, Russia is European. I concur. http://blog.effjot.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/geochem-atlas-terranes.png This is correct. Russia is Eastern Europe. Tell people in Poland/Czech etc that they are Eastern European and they will jump down your throat explaining they are in Central Europe. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:40:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hungary has SHIT..... thanks to the socialist motherfuckers.........who just gutted the military. What is the attitude of the general public about the Crimea situation, Russia in general, and the US? |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 7:40:57 AM EDT
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LOL. This post is so full of fail. What good is all that oil and gas if it's too difficult for you to sell? In reality, they actually need the foreign currencies more than we need their oil and gas (Europe and gas on the other hand, who knows). They would be soundly defeated in economic warfare. Do you know how crippled they would be without all that incoming cash for their oil and gas? There is a reason cheap Russian/Russian captured milsurps flood the market when oil drops below $90 per barrel. This is why Obama is such an abject embarrassment. We could shove Putin in a bottle easily right now...natural gas/oil production out the wazoo, gaurantee gas shipments to Europe and flood the market driving fossil fuel prices down. But this clown has clearly chosen climate change and the environmental lobby over sound foreign policy and national defense. |
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Posted: 3/19/2014 12:55:13 PM EDT
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Only on Arfcom have I encountered people who try to redefine European geography.
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So, Russia is Europe because an insignificant Mountain range that doesn't even reach all the way down the land mass is a clear, non disputable definer of what is Europe? Russia is the bastard mongrel cultural offspring of the Mongols and Kieven Rus (and possibly some Orcs), with a weird love/hate thing for Europe, and no concept of the shared heritage and cultural understanding of actual Europeans. The geographical borders of Europe have been defined for centuries, the Urals are what separates Europe from Asia. Arguing otherwise is silly. Culturally, the Russians are a mix between influences from Central and Northern Europe, as well as from the peoples of the steppe. The Russians are the red-haired step children of Europe, but they're still European. People used to think the sun revolved around the Earth. Only on Arfcom have I encountered people who try to redefine European geography.
This is grade-school geography. Europe and Asia are the same land mass. The western civilization concept of a "Europe" as a continental land mass distinct from an "Asia" dates back to when we thought the world looked like this: 
We now know better. Continental dividing lines used by custom are arbitrary, about as scientific as dividing lines between "races," so maybe you are trying to show solidarity with that crowd by being stuck in another era. If there is any benefit in maintain a concept of a Europe separate from an "Asia" it is one of culture. Russia represents savage nothingness that was settled by Europeans before it was conquered by Mongols, and now it has become its own special derplandia. Peter the great knew Russia was not European, and tried to pull the culture that way. Yet, Russia has a way of taking only the worst from other cultures, and rejecting the good. This is a map that might allow for more clear dividing lines between Europe and Asia, FWIW. 
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Posted: 3/19/2014 1:08:57 PM EDT
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It's actually about 400 Leopard IIs of different generations (mainly A6, followed by A5s, a few A6M and some A4s). Our M1 Abrams tanks use the same gun, the 120mm smoothbore Rheinmetall or M256. We train with ze Germans on a regular basis. They are well armed and well trained. http://i62.tinypic.com/wjb1xv.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Daily reminder the Germans have 225 main battle tanks. That's it. It's actually about 400 Leopard IIs of different generations (mainly A6, followed by A5s, a few A6M and some A4s). Our M1 Abrams tanks use the same gun, the 120mm smoothbore Rheinmetall or M256. We train with ze Germans on a regular basis. They are well armed and well trained. http://i62.tinypic.com/wjb1xv.jpg this ! Deutschland uber alles .... 
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Posted: 3/19/2014 1:11:32 PM EDT
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The French did earn some of that reputation in WW2 from the embarassing panic/retreat in the Sedan sector shortly after the German assault on France began. Shit planning is mostly to blame for essentially engineering a plan that put a French reserve infantry division against the German spearhead. But, given the gravity of the situation they NEEDED to die in place or at least fight hard to delay the Germans. Instead they folded and many rear echelon formations, including artillery units fled in panic before ever being engaged on the ground. The cream of France's army never had a chance, they were marginalized Now, WW1 was a different matter, despite the generally awful generalship all around, the French sacked up and fought very bravely. The only real thing I can fault them for were protests of the soldiers in the trenches but I'm not sure how content I'd be at a place like Verdun either. People do forget that the French were SCARY under napoleon. People in GD trip over themselves to suck off the Third Reich...Napoleon's accomplishments were every bit as impressive, though about as short-lived. And, lots of other stuff. |
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