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Posted: 10/6/2014 6:55:52 PM EDT
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While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg In other words you don't know. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 6:56:31 PM EDT
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The 24" barrel would be 17.4 lbs lighter than what I got used to humping. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it is because back in the day after the A2 was phased in most civlian 20" barrels were HBAR. In case you have never humped a 20" HBAR, it fucking sucks balls. the A1 barrel is great tho. but anyway for a 30 year period most 20" barrels were HBAR and that is why they fell out of favor. http://www.impactguns.com/Data/Default/Images/uploads/rock_river/rra_varmint_specs.jpg What were you humping? GPMG + ammo? |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:02:54 PM EDT
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In other words you don't know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg In other words you don't know. Don't know what? If an Aluminum carbine receiver extension is just as strong as an aluminum rifle receiver extension? Yes, I've buttstroked "dummies" in training with a collapsible M4 stock and it never broke. How often are you buttstroking someone that having a fixed stock is that important? (I ask this because I carry my rifle almost daily and have never had to buttstroke someone) More of this: 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:03:06 PM EDT
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In other words you don't know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg In other words you don't know. Works just dandy. 
Just a note, military guys are not the "cool kids". They don't really get a choice and they have a demonstrated need for that configuration. The cool kids are most of GD.
My favorite AR has an A1 Stock, A2 upper, round handguards and a ridiculously thin pencil barrel. Not even an optic or flashhider. About as light as I can get it without a Dremel. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:03:39 PM EDT
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I think it is because back in the day after the A2 was phased in most civlian 20" barrels were HBAR. In case you have never humped a 20" HBAR, it fucking sucks balls. the A1 barrel is great tho. but anyway for a 30 year period most 20" barrels were HBAR and that is why they fell out of favor. http://www.impactguns.com/Data/Default/Images/uploads/rock_river/rra_varmint_specs.jpg What were you humping? GPMG + ammo? Probably a 240G or L. Fuck that noise. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:04:53 PM EDT
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg In other words you don't know. This is what I imagine you to look like. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:06:18 PM EDT
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg In other words you don't know. This is what I imagine you to look like. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=66734 oddly enough, so do I. but with socks. No offence VBC. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:09:43 PM EDT
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Don't know what? If an Aluminum carbine receiver extension is just as strong as an aluminum rifle receiver extension? Yes, I've buttstroked "dummies" in training with a collapsible M4 stock and it never broke. How often are you buttstroking someone that having a fixed stock is that important? (I ask this because I carry my rifle almost daily and have never had to buttstroke someone) More of this: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/scumbag-retard_o_193989.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg In other words you don't know. Don't know what? If an Aluminum carbine receiver extension is just as strong as an aluminum rifle receiver extension? Yes, I've buttstroked "dummies" in training with a collapsible M4 stock and it never broke. How often are you buttstroking someone that having a fixed stock is that important? (I ask this because I carry my rifle almost daily and have never had to buttstroke someone) More of this: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/scumbag-retard_o_193989.jpg On one example, there is a stock providing additional support to the aluminum tube. On the other example, there is no additional support on the tube. I'll let you figure out which example is which, if you are capable of such things. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:11:15 PM EDT
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg In other words you don't know. This is what I imagine you to look like. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=66734 Sorry to ruin your fantasies, but I don't look like your ex life partner. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:12:43 PM EDT
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On one example, there is a stock providing additional support to the aluminum tube. On the other example, there is no additional support on the tube. I'll let you figure out which example is which, if you are capable of such things. I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession is with buttstroking someone. How often are you doing this again? You failed to answer that question. ETA: 
ETA2: I also have experience with buttstroking things with a carbine stock, what is your experience level again? Your derp is showing still. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:13:28 PM EDT
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Works just dandy.
Just a note, military guys are not the "cool kids". They don't really get a choice and they have a demonstrated need for that configuration. The cool kids are most of GD.
My favorite AR has an A1 Stock, A2 upper, round handguards and a ridiculously thin pencil barrel. Not even an optic or flashhider. About as light as I can get it without a Dremel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg In other words you don't know. Works just dandy.
Just a note, military guys are not the "cool kids". They don't really get a choice and they have a demonstrated need for that configuration. The cool kids are most of GD.
My favorite AR has an A1 Stock, A2 upper, round handguards and a ridiculously thin pencil barrel. Not even an optic or flashhider. About as light as I can get it without a Dremel. Well, come on, you know 80% of the military is logistics and support. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:14:59 PM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession is with buttstroking someone. How often are you doing this again? You failed to answer that question. ETA: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Retard_237354_1979173.jpeg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On one example, there is a stock providing additional support to the aluminum tube. On the other example, there is no additional support on the tube. I'll let you figure out which example is which, if you are capable of such things. I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession is with buttstroking someone. How often are you doing this again? You failed to answer that question. ETA: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Retard_237354_1979173.jpeg I'll probably never buttstroke somebody. I just wanted to know the answer, but you seem to be getting all hissy fit about it. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:16:05 PM EDT
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On one example, there is a stock providing additional support to the aluminum tube. On the other example, there is no additional support on the tube. I'll let you figure out which example is which, if you are capable of such things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? While I've never payed much attention to anything you say in normal GD threads, anytime you post in a GD thread regarding firearms, your replies always come out looking like: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/retard-kid_o_157311.jpg In other words you don't know. Don't know what? If an Aluminum carbine receiver extension is just as strong as an aluminum rifle receiver extension? Yes, I've buttstroked "dummies" in training with a collapsible M4 stock and it never broke. How often are you buttstroking someone that having a fixed stock is that important? (I ask this because I carry my rifle almost daily and have never had to buttstroke someone) More of this: http://rs1img.memecdn.com/scumbag-retard_o_193989.jpg On one example, there is a stock providing additional support to the aluminum tube. On the other example, there is no additional support on the tube. I'll let you figure out which example is which, if you are capable of such things. Where do you believe the stock is most likely to break when butt stroking someone? |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:16:34 PM EDT
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I'll probably never buttstroke somebody. I just wanted to know the answer, but you seem to be getting all hissy fit about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On one example, there is a stock providing additional support to the aluminum tube. On the other example, there is no additional support on the tube. I'll let you figure out which example is which, if you are capable of such things. I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession is with buttstroking someone. How often are you doing this again? You failed to answer that question. ETA: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Retard_237354_1979173.jpeg I'll probably never buttstroke somebody. I just wanted to know the answer, but you seem to be getting all hissy fit about it. No hissy fit here. I just like to "out" derpy posters for what they are. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:18:14 PM EDT
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Where do you believe the stock is most likely to break when butt stroking someone? If you're referring to the receiver extension, I believe it should break right at the threads, where it meets the receiver. A fixed stock on the other hand will transfer some of that shear to tension. Metal tube stronger in tension than shear. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:18:40 PM EDT
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No hissy fit here. I just like to "out" derpy posters for what they are.
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On one example, there is a stock providing additional support to the aluminum tube. On the other example, there is no additional support on the tube. I'll let you figure out which example is which, if you are capable of such things. I'm still trying to figure out what your obsession is with buttstroking someone. How often are you doing this again? You failed to answer that question. ETA: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Retard_237354_1979173.jpeg I'll probably never buttstroke somebody. I just wanted to know the answer, but you seem to be getting all hissy fit about it. No hissy fit here. I just like to "out" derpy posters for what they are.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140616204807/fliplinestudios/images/0/01/Turbo_Hank_Hill_propane_Derp.jpg Well, you're not very entertaining at it. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:19:33 PM EDT
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Velocity by itself doesn't mean much. You either make enough to frag or you don't. A longer barrel increases the range at which 5.56mm can be expected to frag reliably. At 100m, a 14.5" bbl makes plenty of velocity for explosive fragmentation. At 300m, I would want something longer. Name me one cartridge that generates fragmentation at 300m, and then tell me how my AG's, AB's, RTO's, K-9 handlers, LT's, PSG's, Medic's, FO's, all should have it. Not even my 22" .260 Remington pushing a hot-loaded 130gr VLD can achieve 2500fps at 300m. Nor can a .308 155gr at 3000fps from a 26" barrel. It takes lots of case capacity with well over 3100fps mv to do it. A .270 Winchester will do it with a 130gr at 3150fps Good luck packing 270 Winchester into an M4, that you can also clear rooms with, and carry a 210-400rd basic load with. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:21:00 PM EDT
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Well, you're not very entertaining at it. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:22:40 PM EDT
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Well, you're not very entertaining at it. http://www.acting-man.com/blog/media/2014/07/never_go_full_retard1.jpg You must have just discovered memes. You're like a kid with a new toy. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:23:37 PM EDT
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You must have just discovered memes. You're like a kid with a new toy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, you're not very entertaining at it. http://www.acting-man.com/blog/media/2014/07/never_go_full_retard1.jpg You must have just discovered memes. You're like a kid with a new toy. They're awesome, aren't they. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:25:58 PM EDT
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If you're referring to the receiver extension, I believe it should break right at the threads, where it meets the receiver. A fixed stock on the other hand will transfer some of that shear to tension. Metal tube stronger in tension than shear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where do you believe the stock is most likely to break when butt stroking someone? If you're referring to the receiver extension, I believe it should break right at the threads, where it meets the receiver. A fixed stock on the other hand will transfer some of that shear to tension. Metal tube stronger in tension than shear. Why do you believe it will transfer the force into tension? Is it because the fixed stock has a plastic nub that locks into the reveiver? |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:30:09 PM EDT
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Why do you believe it will transfer the force into tension? Is it because the fixed stock has a plastic nub that locks into the reveiver? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where do you believe the stock is most likely to break when butt stroking someone? If you're referring to the receiver extension, I believe it should break right at the threads, where it meets the receiver. A fixed stock on the other hand will transfer some of that shear to tension. Metal tube stronger in tension than shear. Why do you believe it will transfer the force into tension? Is it because the fixed stock has a plastic nub that locks into the reveiver? When you push laterally on the end of the stock, you create a moment arm where the stock meets the receiver. At this location, one side of the stock is pushing against the receiver and the other side is pulling against the tube in tension. Without the stock, the tube itself must provide the entire resistance, which is subjecting the tube to higher stress. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:35:39 PM EDT
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And yet no one has said it? GET BOTH This! Both are very nice. The 20 significantly nicer for shooting, the 16 nicer for carrying and deploying from vehicles and/or with body armor. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:37:42 PM EDT
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You must have just discovered memes. You're like a kid with a new toy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, you're not very entertaining at it. http://www.acting-man.com/blog/media/2014/07/never_go_full_retard1.jpg You must have just discovered memes. You're like a kid with a new toy. 
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:38:22 PM EDT
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I came for the cool kids but I'm staying for the memes and butt hurt.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:38:35 PM EDT
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? Yes, yes you can. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:38:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:40:15 PM EDT
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? Yes, yes you can. Thank you sir. That's all I wanted to know. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 7:42:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What were you humping? GPMG + ammo? Quote HistoryHauling it around is way easier than humping a .50 cal receiver, or M107 (both things I did stateside). Weapons though, are light. The real killer is radios and batteries. Before everything was tiny, integrated and digitized I would carry 2-3 radios and all the batteries. It was super fun. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 8:12:31 PM EDT
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I don't have much use for the A2/heavy barrel 20", would be great for a SPR build but if its 20 and not a precision rifle I will choose a M16A1 every day of the week, light or lighter than the m4 and feels like a rifle when aiming. The real advantage of a 20" over a carbine is the Iron sights, have abosulutly no problem hotting steal with irons out to 200 with 20" rifles, I have seen people with carbines have trouble hitting 12" plates at 100 resting. Then you've seen some retards shooting... I can hit 18" steel out to 400 yards with a 4-MOA Aimpoint T-1 on a 12.5" AR while bracing on a post. I can hit out to 200 yards offhand. With practice I could probably do better. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 8:22:46 PM EDT
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That's a nice rifle. Is that all original with the bakelite furniture? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because huge, long rifles suck. Most killing happens with crew serves in the military. Most civilians don't need a rifle that makes shots at a few hundred yards. Shorter guns are cooler. Smaller guns suit people's needs better, such as home defense or truck rifles, Suppressors are more popular that ever. Not to mention, modern ammo is a lot better, and often designed to work out of carbines, so the velocity loss isn't as big of a deal as it used to be. There are lots of reasons why people choose shorter barrels. Here is one of my "huge long rifles" that you think sucks and I don't need: http://images.photo2.walgreens.com/232323232%7Ffp83232%3Eydnjthgqubwsnrcgu%3C7%3B5%3Enu%3D325%3A%3E2%3B5%3E2%3A9%3EWSNRCG%3D43424%3A9594328nu0mrj http://images.photo2.walgreens.com/232323232%7Ffp83232%3Eydnjthgqubwsnrcgu55%3Enu%3D325%3A%3E2%3B5%3E2%3A9%3EWSNRCG%3D43424%3A9595328nu0mrj http://images.photo2.walgreens.com/232323232%7Ffp83232%3Eydnjthgqubwsnrcgu%3B682%3Enu%3D325%3A%3E2%3B5%3E2%3A9%3EWSNRCG%3D43424%3A9596328nu0mrj http://images.photo2.walgreens.com/232323232%7Ffp83232%3Eydnjthgqubwsnrcgu66%3A4%3Enu%3D4342%3E3%3A6%3E338%3E34333%3A6429237ot1lsi That's a nice rifle. Is that all original with the bakelite furniture? Nothing is original. It is all reproduction. The A1 barrel was turned down to a thinner profile, the flash hider, bi pod adapter and FSB were all machined to look like the original. The furniture was textured and colored to resemble the bakelite. The upper and lower from NoDak Spud. Actually took a couple of years to assemble. Other retro nuts have also made them and some even did a better job than I did. Visit the Retro Forum to get a look at what everybody is doing. By the way, I was reminded today after posting the pictures that my front pivot pin is installed backwards. The head should be on the left side. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 8:38:39 PM EDT
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Hey, military guys: What would be your ideal barrel length and gas system, for the jobs you were doing overseas? I think that for a civilian 11.5'' is probably the sweet spot. Only reason those aren't sold more is because of NFA. 12.5, carbine. IMHO |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 10:14:11 PM EDT
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I prefer my 16", mid-length gas system, barrel AR to my 20" for everything other then shooting prone. In my opinion, I can't see me needing anything else in a 5.56/.223 platform for recreational shooting or if SHTF
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Posted: 10/6/2014 10:19:16 PM EDT
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We led the way, but has any other country EVER fielded a 5.56 rifle with a barrel that wasn't shorter than 20"? Galil, FNC, AR18..... Things seemed to quickly progress to a shorter barrel length across the board.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 11:45:44 PM EDT
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20" guns are fine. They are light, easy to move around whatever. Then again, hump SASR's and 240's around, and everything else is pretty childs play... I can't disagree more, that shorter rifles are easier to maneuver under any circumstances, 20" belongs on the KD range, though it'd be better to axe them entirely. I agree. But for the average Soldier, the lethality issue is usually missing the target. The reliability issue is usually due to poor maintinence, bad mags, no lube, and an overall apathy for weapons proficiency in general. For these reasons, a shorter/easier to manipulate weapon is better for the lowest common denominator. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 11:46:54 PM EDT
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Then why do pretty much all the pipe hitters choose to carry shorties? People who get to run whatever they want almost universally choose sub 20" barrels of one flavor or another. It's not just to look cool, it's because the benefits outweigh the liabilities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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20" guns are fine. They are light, easy to move around whatever. Then again, hump SASR's and 240's around, and everything else is pretty childs play... I can't disagree more, that shorter rifles are easier to maneuver under any circumstances, 20" belongs on the KD range, though it'd be better to axe them entirely. Then why do pretty much all the pipe hitters choose to carry shorties? People who get to run whatever they want almost universally choose sub 20" barrels of one flavor or another. It's not just to look cool, it's because the benefits outweigh the liabilities. Because they operate at night 99% of the time, and most engagements are indoors. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 11:48:19 PM EDT
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Because not everyone is a size queen.
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Posted: 10/6/2014 11:54:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. But for the average Soldier, the lethality issue is usually missing the target. The reliability issue is usually due to poor maintinence, bad mags, no lube, and an overall apathy for weapons proficiency in general. For these reasons, a shorter/easier to manipulate weapon is better for the lowest common denominator. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 20" guns are fine. They are light, easy to move around whatever. Then again, hump SASR's and 240's around, and everything else is pretty childs play... I can't disagree more, that shorter rifles are easier to maneuver under any circumstances, 20" belongs on the KD range, though it'd be better to axe them entirely. I agree. But for the average Soldier, the lethality issue is usually missing the target. The reliability issue is usually due to poor maintinence, bad mags, no lube, and an overall apathy for weapons proficiency in general. For these reasons, a shorter/easier to manipulate weapon is better for the lowest common denominator. |
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Posted: 10/6/2014 11:56:29 PM EDT
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Sweet Georgia Brown...I love this place. Guy asks when a trend changed, and it turns into a purse swinging match...complete with more,thrusts per squeeze, animations by RustedAce, beans and no beans, and I think we even have a shoulder thing that goes up. Don't forget shotguns, halalberds, short dick references, and birdshot. |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 12:11:21 AM EDT
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20" guns are fine. They are light, easy to move around whatever. Then again, hump SASR's and 240's around, and everything else is pretty childs play... I can't disagree more, that shorter rifles are easier to maneuver under any circumstances, 20" belongs on the KD range, though it'd be better to axe them entirely. I agree. But for the average Soldier, the lethality issue is usually missing the target. The reliability issue is usually due to poor maintinence, bad mags, no lube, and an overall apathy for weapons proficiency in general. For these reasons, a shorter/easier to manipulate weapon is better for the lowest common denominator. True. I think that was a smart move by the marines. I've heard they have a lot of M4's as well these days. Army light infantry should have plenty of A4's with ACOGs, to switch out with the M4/ Aimpoint combo depending on the terrain. The ACOG would make a bigger difference than the barrel length. Then again, that option would require more varied marksmanship training, which is way more of a problem than barrel length. |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 12:20:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. I think that was a smart move by the marines. I've heard they have a lot of M4's as well these days. Army light infantry should have plenty of A4's with ACOGs, to switch out with the M4/ Aimpoint combo depending on the terrain. The ACOG would make a bigger difference than the barrel length. Then again, that option would require more varied marksmanship training, which is way more of a problem than barrel length. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: True. I think that was a smart move by the marines. I've heard they have a lot of M4's as well these days. Army light infantry should have plenty of A4's with ACOGs, to switch out with the M4/ Aimpoint combo depending on the terrain. The ACOG would make a bigger difference than the barrel length. Then again, that option would require more varied marksmanship training, which is way more of a problem than barrel length. Can't speak for every Bn, but at least in mine and guys I've talked to, between having great maintenance, great (over)cleaning, and a traditional introduction to marksmanship Marines are able to make the most out of the A4. (I.E. The head shots people always talk about from Fallujah) plus, the longer length doesn't beat the gun up as much, so there is that. |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 12:20:20 AM EDT
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I'd go to 16". It only gives up 125 fps at most.
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Posted: 10/7/2014 12:26:32 AM EDT
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Army's adoption of the M-4. It's tacticool. Heck, I don't even have rails.
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Posted: 10/7/2014 2:00:24 AM EDT
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Hey, military guys: What would be your ideal barrel length and gas system, for the jobs you were doing overseas? I think that for a civilian 11.5'' is probably the sweet spot. Only reason those aren't sold more is because of NFA. 12.5, carbine. IMHO Why the extra inch? |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 2:24:41 AM EDT
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Because they operate at night 99% of the time, and most engagements are indoors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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20" guns are fine. They are light, easy to move around whatever. Then again, hump SASR's and 240's around, and everything else is pretty childs play... I can't disagree more, that shorter rifles are easier to maneuver under any circumstances, 20" belongs on the KD range, though it'd be better to axe them entirely. Then why do pretty much all the pipe hitters choose to carry shorties? People who get to run whatever they want almost universally choose sub 20" barrels of one flavor or another. It's not just to look cool, it's because the benefits outweigh the liabilities. Because they operate at night 99% of the time, and most engagements are indoors. SMH. |
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Posted: 10/7/2014 2:25:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2014 2:34:11 AM EDT
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Can you butt stroke somebody effectively with a collapsible stock without breaking the receiver extension? I remember reading about an old test where receiver extension strength was being compared in regards to breaking down a door with a collapsible butt stock. IIRC, it was concluded that the 7075T6 version will effectively survive such a task, in necessary.
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Posted: 10/7/2014 2:39:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2014 2:40:28 AM EDT
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I like the BCM Kino configuration. If I need a little more range, I will position a treadmill away from the enemy, and return fire from said treadmill.
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Posted: 10/7/2014 2:43:59 AM EDT
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Halbredmosin carbine for home terrain.
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