So, admittedly, I'm not sure how legal this is according to CoC 4 - so I'll tread lightly.





How would we (constitutionals, liberty oriented folks, etc.) even function cohesively? Obviously, the internet wouldn't be a safe place to discuss resistance - there is no OPSEC or PERSEC.





I hear on here that "Cops would never support confiscation!" I don't believe it. They have families, they need money, they need their jobs. If they don't support confiscation, they will quickly be replaced with those who will.





I hear on here that "The military would never support confiscation!" - read the previous line again.





In light of the other thread asking why so many are adamant about a revolution, I'll pose the following question - how do you resist effectively without being killed immediately? When/where/how does it end?





Resisting confiscation (successfully) would be against every precedent that has ever been set. China, Russia, England, Australia, Japan - they all surrendered their guns (many willingly). Many  sold their friends and family out for scraps of food, or promotions from within the party.





Today while sitting at home - I realized that there is a strong, non-zero chance that things may take a turn for the worst. If we go full SHTF - what do we do?



<Changed title since it has nothing to do with Trump - Z>

J-Pat thread

LOCK AND LOAD...

IBTconsolidation.

Right, because there's no way that a lone gunman wouldn't suddenly be found to have been a racist with terabytes of kiddie porn who beat women and probably offended a couple of homosexuals daily.



I'm not against locking and loading. But if you're gonna rock and roll, you can't wait until the .fed shows up at your door, and you can't do it alone.

 

ibtl

Then federal antigun legislation if the Dems get both houses. Little or no state antigun legislation for the foreseeable future.

The only answer to enforcement of laws predicated on a neutered 2dAm is the 2dAm as written, and the underlying right it protects. I pray it never comes to that.

Congrats! You have the first step to your blueprint.

molon labia

If it came to them passing stuff like that someone would get the party started..our Gov. has become so lawless as it is that it wouldn't take much for it to happen..First couple people who stood up and got smashed would result in many more saying enough...what other choice is there at that point, wait for them to take most of the guns then try to fight?



ETA: I don't want a gun battle with our GOV. by the way, but at some point  of violating the Constitution we are going to have to defend ourselves and our rights...

There's a mole on her labia? Does it have really dark and coarse hair growing out of it?

Place holder for some math......

Ok, ready?........



First, a little  anecdotal experience and stories.

In Iraq, my battalion was attached to a Combat brigade with armor and artillery assests. For an entire month our forces were kept at bay and seriously influenced our patrols and missions because of one gunman. A half assed trained "sniper".

One man

Vs the greates military on earth.


A couple years ago over 6,000 law enforcement officers and military descended onto the Boston area and were "kept on their toes/kept at bay" because of two twats with a "crock pot" and a pistol.

Two turds vs over 6,000 seasoned LEOs and military with gear far beyond your average cargo pockets.



Ok, ready?.....


There are over 85,000,000 gun owners.  If tomorrow FBHO signed an executive order ordering confiscation or if Congress somehow acted to pass a law granting the power of confiscation to the federal government heres what would happen:

90% would turn them in immediately. No questions asked.  

So now there's only 8,500,000 million gun owners. Wow, that is an epic shit ton. But don't worry. The FBI and ATF will conduct a joint raid with local LEOs on an area in some conservative state with a vocal activist. There will be a shoot out. Protester will die as well as a LEO or two. That won't bode well as support will dwindle. Wives and families of the "holdouts" will  give you ultimatums and put additional pressure on them to turn in their guns.  Of those holdouts, 90% will turn them in after seeing the bloody carnage on CNN and MSM and not want to put their family in jeopardy...or risk 30 years in a FPMITAP

So now there's only 850,000 gun owners left. Wow, that is still a shit ton. And most likely the ones who own more than one gun. And probably have few extra mags on hand.

Guess what? Of those left, 99% of them are either in piss poor shape to fight from old age or injury or just too damn stupid to hide them effectively (probably ran there mouth to friends/family or on social media. Slowly me the raids will filter them and their weapons out. The stories that surface will help to soften the will to fight for many.


So now what? What are we left with? 1% of 10% of 10% of the orginal. That's........8,500.

8,500 men...and don't kid yourself, there's at best a few females in that number....men who are squared jawed, steely eyed killers. Men who not just own guns, but NVGs, gear, food, and are smart enough to not have it around. Men smart enough to blend. Men smart enough to know how to hit and run. Men who are not living in basements and typing away about masturbatory revolution fantasies on the Internet.

Harsh measures will be taken against these men....so harsh that the tide of public opinion sways. You see, to get to these men you'll have to drone strike an entire neighborhood or be willing to use force so excessive that there is no way you can keep the ignorant public on your side.

Tyranny can never succeed if you take the power from the people overnight.



Which is why, instead of a gun ban....they will whittle away at gun ownership through regulation until the number of gun owners is so low that banning them overnight won't be more than taking them away from a few thousand people.


We're several years from that. Starvation is more effective than gun confiscation in the short term.

Run towards the sound of gunfire

That first step is the one I'm specifically asking about. You obviously can't go around just soliciting "Hey, I'm building an army to resist federal overreach!" - I mean, you could, but it would turn into 8 undercover FBI agents investigating 4 undercover ATF agents, some guy from Stormfront, and that guy who sleeps under the overpass and mumbles about being a sovereign citizen.
Not to mention - people have lives. People have families. They will wait for someone else to resist in the process, and then bitch when they lose. You're not suddenly going to have a 50,000 man march to DC to "take back the White House".



 

You do realize he put labia right?

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/aug/15/improbable-research-skyscrapers-demolish-take-down



Improbable research: how to demolish a skyscraper



Oh sorry wrong thread

stealth trump basher thread

I guess you'd petition your state government to refuse to cooperate and to hinder federal action by every peaceful means available.

I don't think they will restrict possession / purchase. Too many guns to seize.

I think they will allow states to restrict carry first... ie have to demonstrate "justifiable need" to carry a firearm like in NJ.

It's easier to arrest one "unlawful" carrier at a time.

Hope it never comes to this.... Just my .02

ETA: once you start arresting these "unlawful carriers" the hope would be the rest will fall inline.

How do the flash mobs and Ferguson protesters do it? Spontaneous masses of armed individuals spurred on by twitter posts? Would police have time to react?

Lone wolfs acting alone in enough major cities might garner support.


I dunno and I hope we never have to find out.

Whatever your plan is I'm pretty sure talking about it on the Internet is a great start.

Collaboration, organizing, planning, and execution must be a very insular process to succeed. Even then, I don't know that you would. And to what end?

Revolution involves killing people. if you're talking about eliminating federal judges and politicians, well, good luck.

Anything else just involves burying your guns and hoping maybe your grandkids will be able to use them again someday.

Let's say for the sake of argument, this happens in PA or OH, or another swing state that frequently votes Blue.





They roll over on you. What then?

 

They will just nab you on your way to work

I ain't dying for no fucking hobby

They can have them all

These are the types of discussions you need to have with your close friends, family members, neighbors, church members and shooting buddies. Leading up to the Revolutionary War these discussions were being had in taverns and homes.

No alternative.

Longfisher, ex-Marines and popping pmags

That's the joke..

In on Fed thread

latin for 'Come and take it you pussy.'

Longfisher and his Ex-Marines already have a cause. they are busy overseeing the backsides of his muslim neighbors children. He doesn't care about your gun rights.

Jesus Christ, OP.

“....There may be a worse case.  You may have to
fight when there is no chance of victory, because
It is better to perish
        than to live as slaves.”
Winston Churchill

they bring in UN troops from countries that hate Americans

It is a joke!

I am so angry now.

reactive targets are fun!

Trump wins the election and appoints a judge that does the same thing.

I think that's fundamentally the problem.
Okay, you manage to bump off a couple of anti-gun politicians/judges.
The parties responsible are labeled as terrorists. More laws are passed for "the safety of the children". Politicians pass laws to protect themselves.
Their now (renewed and substantially increased) voting block hold an emergency election for the most anti-liberty candidate ever.
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I think the point I'm trying to drive home here is - short of succession, there isn't a winning scenario where you don't have to start killing the population too. The people in charge got to where they are because of who voted for them.



 





EDIT: I.e. what would make us different than the federal government killing Americans on American soil? That's the problem. I don't want a civil war.
 

EDIT2: what a shitty way to waste post 2000.

The SAFE Act doesn't rely upon confiscation,just the occasional charges to scare the majority into quiet non-compliance. It's the same as the NFA really and the 94-04 AWB.  Door to door roundups are neither necessary or realistic. It's not about removing all the guns,it's about changing the culture of ownership.
  It's not about those who own arms,it's about the children and grandchildren of gun owners not growing up with them as acceptable and not seeing the ownership of them as a fundamental right.

I think you should ask to have this thread locked and nuked.

Meet like-minded people on the internet, and choose a defensible location to which you can all flee, form a self-sufficient community, and participate in peaceful civil disobedience.

Trouble is organizing and governing such a group of people. As we see here every day, we're an ornery and disagreeable lot. Getting conservatives to work together is like herding opinionated, heavily armed cats. This probably isn't something you can organized after-the-fact. You'd have to start very early and only admit families once you're certain they're not complete assbags.

Revolution does not necessarily involve killing people; it just usually does. Gandhi managed to take advantage of the British hesitance to use force against a passive opponent, and it's possible that the same cultural dynamic could work in the US. Not holding my breath, but it's worth a try.

then use the 2nd.

On one ibtl

I edited that post to reflect the idea. Civil war would almost certainly have to ensue. I'm not about killing Americans on American soil - and the thought actually makes me feel a little sick.
In short - we would have to become what we despise to win. Is that the way you want to win? Selling yourself out like that? Do we want to be the "American Al-Queda"? Would/Should we doom the country for an idea?

CW2

Yup.