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Posted: 3/25/2016 10:50:56 AM EDT
http://www.wtva.com/news/local/Court_Expands_Gun_Rights_Knocks_Employers.html
The unanimous ruling in the case of Robert Swindol versus Aurora Flight Sciences in Lowndes County is the first new exemption to the state’s at-will employment policies in 20 years. More importantly, it is a big victory for gun-rights advocates and state lawmakers who support them. Aurora fired Swindol for having a gun in his locked car. He was licensed to carry it. He sued, claiming defamation and wrongful termination. The case ended up before the 5th Circuit in New Orleans, which said it was up to the state Supreme Court to decide if the Legislature had established policy banning such firings for lawful gun possession. Today’s ruling said yes, meaning Aurora would be liable for Swindol’s firing. |
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Good. It is absolutely no ones business what I have in my car.
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What about arfcom's favorite canard of 'Their house, their rules"?
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Something like this needs to make it to the top.
Why can my gov employer who is bound to uphold the constitution tell me I can't have the same CCW rights on gov property (locked in car OK) as a Ohio citizen? ![]() |
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Here in Florida, it's a Felony for your employer to ASK if you have a gun in your car. ![]() |
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Doesn't apply to cars which are considered the owners property. Same way the company can't go through your personal cell phone whenever they want. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What about arfcom's favorite canard of 'Their house, their rules"? Doesn't apply to cars which are considered the owners property. Same way the company can't go through your personal cell phone whenever they want. But the car is parked on their property. A logical extension of that argument would be if its on you personally and they can't search you at work. Since you are your own personal property. |
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Quoted: But the car is parked on their property. A logical extension of that argument would be if its on you personally and they can't search you at work. Since you are your own personal property. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about arfcom's favorite canard of 'Their house, their rules"? Doesn't apply to cars which are considered the owners property. Same way the company can't go through your personal cell phone whenever they want. But the car is parked on their property. A logical extension of that argument would be if its on you personally and they can't search you at work. Since you are your own personal property. The contents of the car are generally considered to retain a "bubble" of personal property. Your logical extension is just that... an extension, which doesn't apply. The law is not extended in that way. |
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But the car is parked on their property. A logical extension of that argument would be if its on you personally and they can't search you at work. Since you are your own personal property. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What about arfcom's favorite canard of 'Their house, their rules"? Doesn't apply to cars which are considered the owners property. Same way the company can't go through your personal cell phone whenever they want. But the car is parked on their property. A logical extension of that argument would be if its on you personally and they can't search you at work. Since you are your own personal property. If the company offers secure access or its patrolled by a security guard the law does not apply. If it concerns company enough they can take steps. |
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Quoted: But the car is parked on their property. A logical extension of that argument would be if its on you personally and they can't search you at work. Since you are your own personal property. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about arfcom's favorite canard of 'Their house, their rules"? Doesn't apply to cars which are considered the owners property. Same way the company can't go through your personal cell phone whenever they want. But the car is parked on their property. A logical extension of that argument would be if its on you personally and they can't search you at work. Since you are your own personal property. TX law in regards to firearms is that a companies 'premises' are its buildings only and not parking lots or drive ways |
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Something like this needs to make it to the top. Why can my gov employer who is bound to uphold the constitution tell me I can't have the same CCW rights on gov property (locked in car OK) as a Ohio citizen? ![]() View Quote God forbid anyone who might drive thru the post office parking lot and drop a letter in the mailbox while they have a firearm in their car. ![]() |
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Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. ..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() |
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..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. ..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() Exactly. |
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..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. ..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() I'd trade the right to fire me for having a gun if we would wipe out all protected classes. Ain't gonna happen though. So, MS values its Firearm-Americans and we are a semi-protected class. Pay attention, we have more social justice coming down the pipe. We're here and we're strapped, step off or you might get capped! Wolverines! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Wonder if this includes teachers? Probably not, but good ruling.
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Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. Not when the firing is a violation of your constitutional rights. Just like they can't fire you for being black or Jewish . |
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I'd trade the right to fire me for having a gun if we would wipe out all protected classes. Ain't gonna happen though. So, MS values its Firearm-Americans and we are a semi-protected class. Pay attention, we have more social justice coming down the pipe. We're here and we're strapped, step off or you might get capped! Wolverines! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. ..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() I'd trade the right to fire me for having a gun if we would wipe out all protected classes. Ain't gonna happen though. So, MS values its Firearm-Americans and we are a semi-protected class. Pay attention, we have more social justice coming down the pipe. We're here and we're strapped, step off or you might get capped! Wolverines! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Good. Please let this ruling resonate across human resource departments everywhere!
HR best slow their roll when it comes to bogus, PC policy and my personal protection. |
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Quoted: I thought they could already. I seem to recall one of those school murderer crazies was stopped by a MS teacher that ran to his car to get his own gun and stopped the killer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Wonder if this includes teachers? Probably not, but good ruling. I thought they could already. I seem to recall one of those school murderer crazies was stopped by a MS teacher that ran to his car to get his own gun and stopped the killer. He was parked way away from campus to keep w/i the law. IIRC he ran something like a half mile to retrieve his gun and get back to the school. -J |
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Quoted: ..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. ..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() Friday, end-of-day. "Thank you for your service, Mr Smith. Your services are no longer required. This additional check covers your severance pay. Have a good weekend." Over the years, I found that 2 weeks pay solved a lot of 'issues', and arguments. Same as when somebody gave 2 weeks notice, write a check, out the door, NOW. IMHO YMMV But, back on topic, a good decision, but possibly a bad precedent. Camels nose under the tent flap, etc. But whatever is in the parking lot, meh. Around here, the guns in the parking lot is amazing. Show and tell at lunch time. |
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Good. It is absolutely no ones business what I have in my car. What if there is a dead hooker in your trunk? She was a call girl... No Cyril, when they're dead, they're just hookers. |
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God forbid anyone who might drive thru the post office parking lot and drop a letter in the mailbox while they have a firearm in their car. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Something like this needs to make it to the top. Why can my gov employer who is bound to uphold the constitution tell me I can't have the same CCW rights on gov property (locked in car OK) as a Ohio citizen? ![]() God forbid anyone who might drive thru the post office parking lot and drop a letter in the mailbox while they have a firearm in their car. ![]() Quite the renegade you are. |
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Quoted: Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. |
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I'd trade the right to fire me for having a gun if we would wipe out all protected classes. Ain't gonna happen though. So, MS values its Firearm-Americans and we are a semi-protected class. Pay attention, we have more social justice coming down the pipe. We're here and we're strapped, step off or you might get capped! Wolverines! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. ..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() I'd trade the right to fire me for having a gun if we would wipe out all protected classes. Ain't gonna happen though. So, MS values its Firearm-Americans and we are a semi-protected class. Pay attention, we have more social justice coming down the pipe. We're here and we're strapped, step off or you might get capped! Wolverines! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() RRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #Fuckyourcouchwefinallygoodatsomething!!!!!! ![]() |
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..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. ..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() Yes. Correct. A baker shouldn't have to make a cake that is against their beliefs. But this is GD...critical thinking is bad. |
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Not when the firing is a violation of your constitutional rights. Just like they can't fire you for being black or Jewish . View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. Not when the firing is a violation of your constitutional rights. Just like they can't fire you for being black or Jewish . Your rights only extend as far as the next person. If you are using private property to park your car, the employer can tell you to not have certain items in that parking lot. An employer should be allowed to get rid of employees for any reason..just like they should be able to hire for ANY reason. |
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Awesome ruling. Negative ghostrider. It's horrifically bad. In a free country, an employer should be able to fire you for any reason they want. ..including race, creed, color, gender, political affiliation, or sexual orientation. ![]() I'd trade the right to fire me for having a gun if we would wipe out all protected classes. Ain't gonna happen though. So, MS values its Firearm-Americans and we are a semi-protected class. Pay attention, we have more social justice coming down the pipe. We're here and we're strapped, step off or you might get capped! Wolverines! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() RRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #Fuckyourcouchwefinallygoodatsomething!!!!!! ![]() In the last few years we have gotten: Enhanced Endorsement, OC clearly defined, and "Purse Carry." Coming down the pipe are: Permitless carry, Church protection, doing away with suppressor registration, and maybe a smack on some activist judges' peepees about redefining what a court room is. |
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What about arfcom's favorite canard of 'Their house, their rules"? View Quote His car on their property isn't "their house their rules". The car is a legal extension of your home in many states. BTW if you run a business and open it voluntarily to employees and customers, it isn't "your house, your rules" anymore, by law. You are now beholden to fed, state, and Local regs, cannot by law violate certain civil rights of employees and customers, and are subject to legal action if you allow something to happen on your property. It's voluntary. You don't have to allow employees or customers on your property. Good luck turning a profit. Owning the land and structure don't make you a sovereign country of one. |
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But the car is parked on their property. A logical extension of that argument would be if its on you personally and they can't search you at work. Since you are your own personal property. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What about arfcom's favorite canard of 'Their house, their rules"? Doesn't apply to cars which are considered the owners property. Same way the company can't go through your personal cell phone whenever they want. But the car is parked on their property. A logical extension of that argument would be if its on you personally and they can't search you at work. Since you are your own personal property. Legally, searching someone against their will would leave you in a world of hurt, based on circumstances. Pretty sure my employer has no legal basis to let me go for refusing a cavity search. |
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