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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:00:56 PM EDT
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Found the problem. The first two sentences shown in the image you posted are false. Sealed indictments are not rare (practically every federal indictment is sealed from indictment through arraignment / initial appearance). |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:03:43 PM EDT
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Found the problem. The first two sentences shown in the image you posted are false. Sealed indictments are not rare (practically every federal indictment is sealed from indictment through arraignment / initial appearance). 
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:07:16 PM EDT
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Has anyone considered military intelligence [always at odds with SWAMP 'INTELLIGENCE'] has had almost complete info on the corruption of the Swamp for years. And the day Trump was elected, went into high gear refining it and preparing for future prosecution via multiple means. What might be coming may make Meowler's investigation look like Kindergarten stuff...  |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:10:11 PM EDT
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We've all been waiting for an answer to this question re Spooge... Could it be he/she's SO SMART... That they KNEW Trump would eventually be elected and put their ducks in a row to be able to propagandize against him, all these years ago? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So it's basically your utopia? So what were your 37 posts in 5 years about before Trump? Could it be he/she's SO SMART... That they KNEW Trump would eventually be elected and put their ducks in a row to be able to propagandize against him, all these years ago? 
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:13:46 PM EDT
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lol  This isn't going to go the way you want it to.
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:16:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:43:35 PM EDT
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That's how you know their active measures are working.  Russians snuck into Ukraine right under our IC's nose, sure they did. Russians get major Uranium contract while committing fraud and bribery. Russians hacked DNC and Obama waits to take action. Manafort was investigated by FBI, that is until he hired Podesta, then the investigation stopped. Who was the FBI director? Same govt that watched ISIS spread all over the ME, and now in less than a year they're almost wiped out, and it all started with ending the CIA's rebel program. All just coincidence, and an inept IC. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:52:03 PM EDT
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Small bit of additional information about Clovis being interviewed by Mueller: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-investigation/investigators-probe-trump-knowledge-of-campaigns-russia-dealings-sources-idUSKBN1DB04J Manafort was being investigated by the FBI before the Mueller witch hunt, and they found nothing, just a coincidence that that investigation ended after Manafort hires Podesta, but only Manafort is under indictment now for those old crimes that the FBI wasn't able to find anything on. Good thing Mueller has their leaking backs.
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:04:54 PM EDT
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You do know that the Manafort indicted offenses cover offenses in 2017. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:07:04 PM EDT
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CIA director Mike Pompeo,stands by US Intelligence assessments that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. "The Director stands by and has always stood by the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment entitled: Assessing Russian Activities and intentions in Recent U.S.Elections" the agency said Saturday Nov.11, Pompeo was appointed by Donald Trump. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:35:44 PM EDT
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So was Jeff Sessions, worthless swamp creature. Your point? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CIA director Mike Pompeo,stands by US Intelligence assessments that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. "The Director stands by and has always stood by the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment entitled: Assessing Russian Activities and intentions in Recent U.S.Elections" the agency said Saturday Nov.11, Pompeo was appointed by Donald Trump. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:42:44 PM EDT
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The point that you somehow missed was that Pompeo(Trump's CIA appointment) agrees that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.Got it this time? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CIA director Mike Pompeo,stands by US Intelligence assessments that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. "The Director stands by and has always stood by the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment entitled: Assessing Russian Activities and intentions in Recent U.S.Elections" the agency said Saturday Nov.11, Pompeo was appointed by Donald Trump. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:46:00 PM EDT
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The point that you somehow missed was that Pompeo(Trump's CIA appointment) agrees that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.Got it this time? |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:50:48 PM EDT
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You seem very upset with all things Trump. What purpose does it serve? What is their motivation? No one believes it... They're CONSTANLY being corrected, and still repeat the same shit. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:03:34 PM EDT
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The point that you somehow missed was that Pompeo(Trump's CIA appointment) agrees that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.Got it this time? Posting up selectively edited leftist law fare blog garbage just shows you have no interest in the truth. Do you think those Saudis are going to get their heads cut off for nothing?
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:14:14 PM EDT
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Now post up the full video, the one where Pompeo also said there were others involved. Posting up selectively edited leftist law fare blog garbage just shows you have no interest in the truth. Do you think those Saudis are going to get their heads cut off for nothing? 
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:15:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Correct. It looks like people are posting PACER screenshots to Reddit and the usual 'tards there are getting spun up looking at...a normal federal court docket. ..."You laugh, You lose" |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:17:05 PM EDT
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Now post up the full video, the one where Pompeo also said there were others involved. Posting up selectively edited leftist law fare blog garbage just shows you have no interest in the truth. Do you think those Saudis are going to get their heads cut off for nothing? |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:20:18 PM EDT
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So you are saying that Russia WAS involved-but also others were?What other countries would they be? |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:21:29 PM EDT
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Now post up the full video, the one where Pompeo also said there were others involved. Posting up selectively edited leftist law fare blog garbage just shows you have no interest in the truth. Do you think those Saudis are going to get their heads cut off for nothing? |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:27:52 PM EDT
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How did you divine that nonsense??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you are saying that Russia WAS involved-but also others were?What other countries would they be? 
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:43:30 PM EDT
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Putin didn't need active measures to fill Iran with s300s and s400s, our govt let him do that, just like the long list of shit Russia was doing. Russians snuck into Ukraine right under our IC's nose, sure they did. Russians get major Uranium contract while committing fraud and bribery. Russians hacked DNC and Obama waits to take action. Manafort was investigated by FBI, that is until he hired Podesta, then the investigation stopped. Who was the FBI director? Same govt that watched ISIS spread all over the ME, and now in less than a year they're almost wiped out, and it all started with ending the CIA's rebel program. All just coincidence, and an inept IC. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 12:33:54 AM EDT
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How did you divine that nonsense??? |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 12:56:21 AM EDT
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What was Obama's Directive 11? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Putin didn't need active measures to fill Iran with s300s and s400s, our govt let him do that, just like the long list of shit Russia was doing. Russians snuck into Ukraine right under our IC's nose, sure they did. Russians get major Uranium contract while committing fraud and bribery. Russians hacked DNC and Obama waits to take action. Manafort was investigated by FBI, that is until he hired Podesta, then the investigation stopped. Who was the FBI director? Same govt that watched ISIS spread all over the ME, and now in less than a year they're almost wiped out, and it all started with ending the CIA's rebel program. All just coincidence, and an inept IC. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 3:15:27 AM EDT
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I can't understand their constant posting the same inaccurate, misleading, drivel, repeatedly??? What purpose does it serve? What is their motivation? No one believes it... They're CONSTANLY being corrected, and still repeat the same shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You seem very upset with all things Trump. What purpose does it serve? What is their motivation? No one believes it... They're CONSTANLY being corrected, and still repeat the same shit. That's why it's more important to make statements and take a position than respond to one, which is exactly what they do ad nauseam. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 3:20:39 AM EDT
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/politics/podesta-group-mueller-investigation/index.html
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Posted: 11/12/2017 7:40:58 AM EDT
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Putin didn't need active measures to fill Iran with s300s and s400s, our govt let him do that, just like the long list of shit Russia was doing. Russians snuck into Ukraine right under our IC's nose, sure they did. Russians get major Uranium contract while committing fraud and bribery. Russians hacked DNC and Obama waits to take action. Manafort was investigated by FBI, that is until he hired Podesta, then the investigation stopped. Who was the FBI director? Same govt that watched ISIS spread all over the ME, and now in less than a year they're almost wiped out, and it all started with ending the CIA's rebel program. All just coincidence, and an inept IC. Now the designers of that program are in a tizzy over "muh russia"? clinton & obama are a couple of naive dolts. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 7:49:40 AM EDT
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All just coincidence, and an inept IC. 
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Posted: 11/12/2017 7:59:08 AM EDT
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Putin didn't need active measures to fill Iran with s300s and s400s, our govt let him do that, just like the long list of shit Russia was doing. Russians snuck into Ukraine right under our IC's nose, sure they did. Russians get major Uranium contract while committing fraud and bribery. Russians hacked DNC and Obama waits to take action. Manafort was investigated by FBI, that is until he hired Podesta, then the investigation stopped. Who was the FBI director? Same govt that watched ISIS spread all over the ME, and now in less than a year they're almost wiped out, and it all started with ending the CIA's rebel program. All just coincidence, and an inept IC. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 7:59:54 AM EDT
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So was Jeff Sessions, worthless swamp creature. Your point? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CIA director Mike Pompeo,stands by US Intelligence assessments that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. "The Director stands by and has always stood by the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment entitled: Assessing Russian Activities and intentions in Recent U.S.Elections" the agency said Saturday Nov.11, Pompeo was appointed by Donald Trump. While he claimed to be affiliated with the "TEA party", within 7 months of taking office he voted to raise the debt ceiling. After being in office less than a year he voted to increase spending and the deficit, thereby adding to the debt. Either he was never what he claimed to be or he was co-opted very quickly. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:06:32 AM EDT
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"The United Arab Emirates-based publication, Middle East Briefing, in an analysis of Freedom of Information Act documents and other sources, found that under PSD-11 the State Department would lead an effort to build "civil society" — particularly nongovernmental — organizations to alter the internal politics of targeted countries." Now the designers of that program are in a tizzy over "muh russia"? clinton & obama are a couple of naive dolts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Putin didn't need active measures to fill Iran with s300s and s400s, our govt let him do that, just like the long list of shit Russia was doing. Russians snuck into Ukraine right under our IC's nose, sure they did. Russians get major Uranium contract while committing fraud and bribery. Russians hacked DNC and Obama waits to take action. Manafort was investigated by FBI, that is until he hired Podesta, then the investigation stopped. Who was the FBI director? Same govt that watched ISIS spread all over the ME, and now in less than a year they're almost wiped out, and it all started with ending the CIA's rebel program. All just coincidence, and an inept IC. Now the designers of that program are in a tizzy over "muh russia"? clinton & obama are a couple of naive dolts. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:07:46 AM EDT
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Let's not forget that like Sessions, Pompeo was a member of Congress. While he claimed to be affiliated with the "TEA party", within 7 months of taking office he voted to raise the debt ceiling. After being in office less than a year he voted to increase spending and the deficit, thereby adding to the debt. Either he was never what he claimed to be or he was co-opted very quickly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CIA director Mike Pompeo,stands by US Intelligence assessments that Russia meddled in the 2016 election. "The Director stands by and has always stood by the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment entitled: Assessing Russian Activities and intentions in Recent U.S.Elections" the agency said Saturday Nov.11, Pompeo was appointed by Donald Trump. While he claimed to be affiliated with the "TEA party", within 7 months of taking office he voted to raise the debt ceiling. After being in office less than a year he voted to increase spending and the deficit, thereby adding to the debt. Either he was never what he claimed to be or he was co-opted very quickly. "If only the Czar knew!" |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:11:49 AM EDT
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Sure they meddled in the election. The Clinton's paid them to create a dossier with false information about Trump and then tried to set Jr up in some kind of quid pro quo deal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The point that you somehow missed was that Pompeo(Trump's CIA appointment) agrees that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.Got it this time? |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:13:16 AM EDT
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Hard to argue with that. Pompeo could have meant that. None have said specifically how the 'Russians' interfered, have they? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The point that you somehow missed was that Pompeo(Trump's CIA appointment) agrees that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.Got it this time? |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:17:44 AM EDT
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Podesta Group shutting down per FOX News
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/11/11/report-the-podesta-group-which-is-under-scrutiny-in-muellers-investigation-to-shut-down |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:19:56 AM EDT
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Looks like Trump is already walking back his statement:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-agrees-us-intelligence-community-russia-meddled-election/story?id=51091798 While President Donald Trump says he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin is sincere when he denies that Russia sought to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election, the president said he personally believes the conclusion of the U.S. intelligence community -– and not Putin -– that Russia did in fact meddle in the election. “I'm with our agencies, especially as currently constituted with their current leadership,” Trump said. “I believe in our intel agencies, our intelligence agencies ... as currently led by fine people, I believe very much in our intelligence agencies.”
The president’s statement, with the caveat that he trusts the intelligence as currently led, is one of his clearest comments to date on accepting the consensus conclusions reached by the U.S. intelligence agencies in a report published earlier this year on Russia's attempts to influence the U.S. election. Several of the president’s top intelligence leadership testified before Congress earlier this year and said they accept the conclusion of the initial report that Russia sought to influence the U.S. election. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:33:29 AM EDT
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So now the people that Trump picked to run Trump's IC during the Trump Administration are part of the conspiracy? 
First, your premise is faulty. No president is free to choose whomever he wishes for appointments, especially those which must be confirmed by the Senate. This is especially true of this president, who does not enjoy the real support of members of the party to which he belongs. One would think a highly placed government operative like you would know that simple fact. 
Second, and perhaps more importantly, you should spend some time learning exactly what the word "conspiracy" means. Hint: Foisting a bogus story on the American people isn't a crime, so concerted action to further that goal isn't a conspiracy. 
Self-appointed legal experts should not be loose with their nomenclature. As the saying goes, "Fuzzy nomenclature leads to fuzzy thinking." |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:37:56 AM EDT
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First, your premise is faulty. No president is free to choose whomever he wishes for appointments, especially those which must be confirmed by the Senate. This is especially true of this president, who does not enjoy the real support of members of the party to which he belongs. One would think a highly placed government operative like you would know that simple fact.
Second, and perhaps more importantly, you should spend some time learning exactly what the word "conspiracy" means. Hint: Foisting a bogus story on the American people isn't a crime, so concerted action to further that goal isn't a conspiracy.
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So now the people that Trump picked to run Trump's IC during the Trump Administration are part of the conspiracy?
First, your premise is faulty. No president is free to choose whomever he wishes for appointments, especially those which must be confirmed by the Senate. This is especially true of this president, who does not enjoy the real support of members of the party to which he belongs. One would think a highly placed government operative like you would know that simple fact.
Second, and perhaps more importantly, you should spend some time learning exactly what the word "conspiracy" means. Hint: Foisting a bogus story on the American people isn't a crime, so concerted action to further that goal isn't a conspiracy.
Self-appointed legal experts should not be loose with their nomenclature. As the saying goes, "Fuzzy nomenclature leads to fuzzy thinking." "If only the Czar knew!" ETA: You're seriously making the argument that Trump didn't pick his PASC IC staff positions?
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:45:37 AM EDT
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You think the US government supporting gay rights / women's rights NGOs in foreign countries is comparable to what Russia did to the US in 2016? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Putin didn't need active measures to fill Iran with s300s and s400s, our govt let him do that, just like the long list of shit Russia was doing. Russians snuck into Ukraine right under our IC's nose, sure they did. Russians get major Uranium contract while committing fraud and bribery. Russians hacked DNC and Obama waits to take action. Manafort was investigated by FBI, that is until he hired Podesta, then the investigation stopped. Who was the FBI director? Same govt that watched ISIS spread all over the ME, and now in less than a year they're almost wiped out, and it all started with ending the CIA's rebel program. All just coincidence, and an inept IC. Now the designers of that program are in a tizzy over "muh russia"? clinton & obama are a couple of naive dolts. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:47:34 AM EDT
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So Trump was duped into picking people that were already part of the conspiracy? Makes sense. 
I see the second half of the post went completely over your head. Not one but two improper uses of terms in a single sentence. Somehow, that's not a surprise. Please continue providing high quality (if utterly unintended) amusement.
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:48:01 AM EDT
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You think "what Russia did" is comparable to what Obama's administration did during the election in Israel? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Putin didn't need active measures to fill Iran with s300s and s400s, our govt let him do that, just like the long list of shit Russia was doing. Russians snuck into Ukraine right under our IC's nose, sure they did. Russians get major Uranium contract while committing fraud and bribery. Russians hacked DNC and Obama waits to take action. Manafort was investigated by FBI, that is until he hired Podesta, then the investigation stopped. Who was the FBI director? Same govt that watched ISIS spread all over the ME, and now in less than a year they're almost wiped out, and it all started with ending the CIA's rebel program. All just coincidence, and an inept IC. Now the designers of that program are in a tizzy over "muh russia"? clinton & obama are a couple of naive dolts. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:49:01 AM EDT
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ETA: You're seriously making the argument that Trump didn't pick his PASC IC staff positions? I was correct. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:52:17 AM EDT
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I see the second half of the post went completely over your head. Not one but two improper uses of terms in a single sentence. Somehow, that's not a surprise. Please continue providing high quality (if utterly unintended) amusement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So Trump was duped into picking people that were already part of the conspiracy? Makes sense.
I see the second half of the post went completely over your head. Not one but two improper uses of terms in a single sentence. Somehow, that's not a surprise. Please continue providing high quality (if utterly unintended) amusement. More like how'd you describe what some lunatic said during the call-in portion of "Coast to Coast AM" - which adequately describes your theory. Poor Trump. Got duped again. 
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:56:56 AM EDT
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I'm clearly not using "conspiracy" in it's legal term of art form. More like how'd you describe what some lunatic said during the call-in portion of "Coast to Coast AM" - which adequately describes your theory. Poor Trump. Got duped again.
Doubling down on the loose use of language. That's the hallmark of a consummate professional. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:58:15 AM EDT
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Here's a nice compilation of basically every senior Trump and Obama IC official stating "It was the Russians" in regards to the interference in the US election in 2016.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCtX9oyN40c
It seems like the only person who has seen the classified evidence and still believes Putin is Trump. Make of that what you will. Especially when we now know that anything Fusion exists SOLELY from the actions of democrats and nevertrumpers??? The collusion was not Trump's..........it WAS collusion on the part of democrats AND nevertrumpers. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 9:00:18 AM EDT
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You could try to stop being a limp-wristed bundle of sticks, and jump aboard the Trump Train. Try supporting President Trump, instead of acting in a way that is indistinguishable from a leftist. Seriously. All of you mouthy #NeverTrumpers have seen what your precious GOPe does: Not a goddamned thing. Why not support the team that is actually trying to make things better, instead of being a useless scream-at-the-sky curmudgeon? I say that because he is making these points and asking these questions of people who WANTED Hillary to win. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 9:01:17 AM EDT
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I'm clearly not using "conspiracy" in it's legal term of art form. More like how'd you describe what some lunatic said during the call-in portion of "Coast to Coast AM" - which adequately describes your theory. Poor Trump. Got duped again.
Doubling down on the loose use of language. That's the hallmark of a consummate professional.
Your silly argument that poor Trump got fooled with his IC picks was pretty sad - I see why you're trying to deflect to this topic. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 9:02:49 AM EDT
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Pompeo's statement specifically referred to the ONI report that details just that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The point that you somehow missed was that Pompeo(Trump's CIA appointment) agrees that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.Got it this time? |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 9:05:34 AM EDT
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The point that you somehow missed was that Pompeo(Trump's CIA appointment) agrees that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.Got it this time? So what, the ONLY evidence I have seen pointing to collusion with the Russians was engaged in by democrats and nevertrumpers via Fusion GPS. In about 18 to 24 months now there is simply NO direct evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election..........in that time ONLY democrats and nevertrumpers have been shown to collude with the Russians. And if Sessions would get off his fucking ass, this could be pursued. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 9:07:29 AM EDT
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The point that you somehow missed was that Pompeo(Trump's CIA appointment) agrees that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.Got it this time? https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf "The Director stands by and has always stood by the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment entitled: Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent U.S. Elections," the CIA said in a statement when asked about a reaction to Trump's comments earlier in the day |
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