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Posted: 11/13/2017 6:51:08 AM EDT
 12 STRONG - Official Trailer |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 6:52:51 AM EDT
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I read the book twice. Well worth it
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Posted: 11/13/2017 6:53:53 AM EDT
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Seen the trailer before watching Thor. Looks like a good movie.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 7:01:34 AM EDT
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Looks good
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Posted: 11/13/2017 8:26:05 AM EDT
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I met one of these soldiers at a local Rotary club meeting where he spoke and showed slides of photos. Many of the same photos I saw online. Wish I could remember his name.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:30:17 AM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS.
It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:35:39 AM EDT
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I read the book twice. Well worth it |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:37:18 AM EDT
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Little-known fact: After 9/11, the US Border Patrol was contacted by DoD. They wanted BP to train soldiers on how to patrol on horseback, and how to run pack mules. BP on the northern border routinely ran strings of pack mules for extended patrols of the border.
A whole bunch of special forces types ended up with BP agents in California, Arizona, and Washington state for the training. I didn't participate, but several of my good friends related stories to me later. They said that to a man, those guys were hard core seriously good dudes. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:45:03 AM EDT
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A Calvary charge with M4s.
A wet dream 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:45:39 AM EDT
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Seen the trailer before watching Thor. Looks like a good movie. Charging tanks on horseback at gallop while firing my M4 under one shoulder. Seems legit. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:50:51 AM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 9:54:57 AM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:00:13 AM EDT
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yup.
I'll see this one. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:03:39 AM EDT
[#13]
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:08:45 AM EDT
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I'll see it....Sounds like I need ot buy the book.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:33:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:46:10 AM EDT
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It is Cavalry. As in "AIR CAV Son!" https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/11759/original-361451.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: A Calvary charge with M4s. As in "AIR CAV Son!" https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/11759/original-361451.JPG |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:47:48 AM EDT
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If the movie is accurate, I'll be the bearded cat with the beta mag on his M4 riding the MI-17 during the re-supply runs and hands out the AFO benchmade knives. Dave D is the bearded cat that has the thousand yard stare from being the night time AST trapped in the JOC.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:50:11 AM EDT
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If the movie is accurate, I'll be the bearded cat with the beta mag on his M4 riding the MI-17 during the re-supply runs and hands out the AFO benchmade knives. Dave D is the bearded cat that has the thousand yard stare from being the night time AST trapped in the JOC. And you didn't ride a MI-17. You rode a horse. And charged the Taliban tank divisions. firing your M855 (262 won't penetrate T55 armor) at them. because that totally happened. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:50:48 AM EDT
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A book worth reading:
 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 10:55:06 AM EDT
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Little-known fact: After 9/11, the US Border Patrol was contacted by DoD. They wanted BP to train soldiers on how to patrol on horseback, and how to run pack mules. BP on the northern border routinely ran strings of pack mules for extended patrols of the border. A whole bunch of special forces types ended up with BP agents in California, Arizona, and Washington state for the training. I didn't participate, but several of my good friends related stories to me later. They said that to a man, those guys were hard core seriously good dudes. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 11:17:22 AM EDT
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Marine Corps runs a pack mule school in northern Cali IIRC In typical Marine fashion, they made it better, and the Patrol implemented some of their changes in our own program. We had a disproportionate number of former Marines apply to the Border Patrol...they were our best trainees. Couldn't shoot a pistol for crap, but I never wasted time on M4 training with them. Those kids could shoot a rifle JUST FINE. 
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Posted: 11/13/2017 11:42:26 AM EDT
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That trailer makes the movie look like one of those over-the-top Chinese action flicks like Wolf Warrior.
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Posted: 11/16/2017 11:06:06 PM EDT
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I read the book it was a good read. From what I can tell, it should be fairly accurate to the book. The subtitle of the movie doesn't even say "based on" either, it just says "the declassified true story of..." so it leaves me hopeful.
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Posted: 11/16/2017 11:10:22 PM EDT
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I'm praying this stays true to the book and the real-life story of these men.
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Posted: 11/16/2017 11:40:11 PM EDT
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And on 25 November 2001, a 32 year old American became the first KIA of America's First 21st Century War in Afghanistan.
His name was Johnny Michael Spahn, a Paramilitary Operations Officer with the Special Activities Division of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Mr. Spahn was part of Operation Jawbreaker. He was killed at the Qala-i-Jangi compound near Mazari Sharif in northern Afghanistan. Earlier that day, he and David Tyson, another SAD officer, questioned John Walker Lindh, an American citizen, and other prisoners. I'll not bore you with the details, but Mr. Spahn went down fighting a vastly superior number of the enemy. He truly earned his Star on the CIA Memorial Wall. The other 124 stars represent another person who chose to serve our nation anonymously, and paid the ultimate price doing so. The names behind 33 stars are still classified. Think of them too while you watch this movie. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:55:12 AM EDT
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I didn't mean to kill this thread.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:06:11 PM EDT
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I didn't mean to kill this thread. But you know what? You and I are good enough, we're smart enough, and dogonnit...people like us.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:12:26 PM EDT
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My dear departed father was in the horse cav at the start of WWII. He would have liked this.
He was just a Kansas farm boy who liked horses. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:17:06 PM EDT
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Lotta typical (and bad) war movie cliches in the trailer, but maybe I'm being pissy. It's an incredible story, the book was outstanding, and I will certainly watch the film.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:20:04 PM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. You know they like, let black people serve in the military right???
17ers... |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:20:53 PM EDT
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A Calvary charge with M4s. A wet dream Learn how to spell |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:28:56 PM EDT
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And on 25 November 2001, a 32 year old American became the first KIA of America's First 21st Century War in Afghanistan. His name was Johnny Michael Spahn, a Paramilitary Operations Officer with the Special Activities Division of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Mr. Spahn was part of Operation Jawbreaker. He was killed at the Qala-i-Jangi compound near Mazari Sharif in northern Afghanistan. Earlier that day, he and David Tyson, another SAD officer, questioned John Walker Lindh, an American citizen, and other prisoners. I'll not bore you with the details, but Mr. Spahn went down fighting a vastly superior number of the enemy. He truly earned his Star on the CIA Memorial Wall. The other 124 stars represent another person who chose to serve our nation anonymously, and paid the ultimate price doing so. The names behind 33 stars are still classified. Think of them too while you watch this movie.   Rest In Peace Warrior. Semper Fidelis.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:30:25 PM EDT
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Captain Mark Nutsch, who is the character "Captain Mitch Nelson" in Horse Soldiers, spoke at the American Legion here in 2012.
He was a riveting speaker. He made history come alive. While I can't remember details of his talk, firing an M4 while riding a horse seems within the realm of reality. He is a Kansas boy and rode on the university rodeo team. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:39:20 PM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. Probably a regulation or something. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:44:38 PM EDT
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Jesus man Learn how to spell 
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:45:19 PM EDT
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Damn, for your sake I hope there's no Jews in the movie. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. 
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:47:40 PM EDT
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There aren't any black guys in SF, every .mil guy knows that.... Probably a regulation or something. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:49:58 PM EDT
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Just ordered the book. Looking forward to it, GD always gives good suggestions on reading material
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:50:21 PM EDT
[#39]
To be watched
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Posted: 11/17/2017 9:51:59 PM EDT
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There aren't any black guys in SF, every .mil guy knows that.... Probably a regulation or something. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 10:01:57 PM EDT
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Sir you're letting your racism show... You know they like, let black people serve in the military right???
17ers... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater. You know they like, let black people serve in the military right???
17ers... |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 10:08:07 PM EDT
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I was an extra for one of the scenes in the beginning of the movie, hopefully I didn’t make the editing room floor! Lol
From what I could tell they tried to be fairly accurate. But luckily there were a few of us who were former .mil and corrected a few things. I was in an office scene and they had a bunch of posters on the wall around and one of them had a soldier wearing ACU’s. Told them that needed to come down and the director actually listened to us lowly extras. Then he yelled at the prop department guys. It was filmed primarily all around New Mexico. |
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Posted: 11/17/2017 10:08:07 PM EDT
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There's a black dude in the movie. Was there a black dude in the actual group? I'm sure there will be a queer in the movie too. Fucking Hollyweird and their black Stormtrooper social BS. It looks like a good movie and I will probably see it in the theater.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 10:10:24 PM EDT
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My dear departed father was in the horse cav at the start of WWII. He would have liked this. He was just a Kansas farm boy who liked horses. My Dad was also Cavalry, then went Infantry, French Foreign Legion, then became an RAF pilot/navigator. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 1:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a good match for movies. Charging tanks on horseback at gallop while firing my M4 under one shoulder. Seems legit. As mentioned above "Mitch Nelson" is (then) Captain Mark Nutsch. I went to K-State with Mark and I stay in touch with him. He just mentioned the film to me and said he finally met with the production and marketing people just recently. Mark is a fantastic and humble guy. If you want to know more about him, his team and the true story watch the documentary "Legion of Brothers".  Legion of Brothers - Trailer |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 1:49:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am sure Hollywood will botch the story horribly but it is based on actual events. For what it's worth the Northern Alliance did make a horse "cavalry charge" on the Taliban. As mentioned above "Mitch Nelson" is (then) Captain Mark Nutsch. I went to K-State with Mark and I stay in touch with him. He just mentioned the film to me and said he finally met with the production and marketing people just recently. Mark is a fantastic and humble guy. If you want to know more about him, his team and the true story watch the documentary "Legion of Brothers".  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8aCtCQP_LQ |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 2:03:08 PM EDT
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Damn, for your sake I hope there's no Jews in the movie. |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 2:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you're the guy with the beard? that should help narrow it down. And you didn't ride a MI-17. You rode a horse. And charged the Taliban tank divisions. firing your M855 (262 won't penetrate T55 armor) at them. because that totally happened. However, due perhaps to the speed of the cavalry, the second line of horsemen succeeded in taking the Taliban trenches with the enemy fleeing. A second, larger attack the next day at Cobaki nearly saw the Northern Alliance fail; it was at this point that members of the Special Forces themselves charged into battle on horseback to aid General Dostum. This reinforcement turned the tide and the Northern Alliance took the day. Captain Nutsch emailed a report including a line that has since become famous: "I am advising a man on how to best employ light infantry and horse cavalry in the attack against Taliban T-55s, mortars, artillery, personnel carriers, and machine guns – a tactic which I think became outdated with the invention of the Gatling gun." |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 4:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On October 21, the Northern Alliance sought to capture the village of Bishqab, which would help them gain a foothold to eventually move on to more strategic settlements and begin regaining control of Afghanistan. The attack would require a charge by the Northern Alliance’s 1,500 cavalry and 1,500 light infantry across a mile-wide plain marked by ridges, which would expose the forces to enemy fire: Bishqab was fortified with tanks, cannons, machine guns, anti-aircraft guns, mines, RPGs and mortars. The attack by the Northern Alliance seemed suicidal, despite air support from US forces. However, due perhaps to the speed of the cavalry, the second line of horsemen succeeded in taking the Taliban trenches with the enemy fleeing. A second, larger attack the next day at Cobaki nearly saw the Northern Alliance fail; it was at this point that members of the Special Forces themselves charged into battle on horseback to aid General Dostum. This reinforcement turned the tide and the Northern Alliance took the day. Captain Nutsch emailed a report including a line that has since become famous: "I am advising a man on how to best employ light infantry and horse cavalry in the attack against Taliban T-55s, mortars, artillery, personnel carriers, and machine guns – a tactic which I think became outdated with the invention of the Gatling gun." Hey, maybe it did happen. But as I wasn't there and embellishing stories is old hat I'm in the disbelief mode. I am sure its more factual than American Sniper/Zero Dark Thirty/Lone Survivor, FWIW |
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Posted: 11/20/2017 4:43:48 PM EDT
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