Magnum Cartridges

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Posted: 12/25/2017 5:16:59 PM EDT

It seems like every bubba out east thinks they need a 300 or 338 mag to shoot a 200lb white tail.

Im drunk

Cuss and discuss.

Eta. I started this due to a mutual friend of a friend that went shooting with us. He had just bought a 30 nosler for an upcoming Barbary sheep hunt. His 270 wsm is not enough apparently. He shot mabey 10 rounds in a 5 hour period and said he was done the recoil was to much.

NM Barbary arent that tough to kill.

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:22:36 PM EDT

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.50 BMG is not a magnum.

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:26:26 PM EDT

[#2]

Deer and elk have gotten a lot tougher.

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:26:41 PM EDT

[#3]

While true, that is a 1/10 rant and only because you didn't insult Texans, but it's still true in Texas.

6.5 Creedmoor had opened my eyes to low recoil, medium to small calibers with great terminal performance. I don't own anything bigger than a .308.

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:26:52 PM EDT

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Some big boys ................. not necessarily magnums ..................

375 Ruger/458 WinMag/450-400 Nitro Express/416 Rigby/50 MG

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:28:21 PM EDT

[#5]

375 Holland & Holland is not a magnum

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:31:18 PM EDT

[#6]

I shoot moose every year and elk most years with a 308. They all die just as fast as when I used a 300win.

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:37:04 PM EDT

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I used to think that way. But a lot of guys do....the whole "bigger is better' mentality as new and more impressive offerings have come out over the years.

It got to the point I was hunting 110lb white tails with a 300 mag.

I ended up going back to a ............. .243 and that's what I use here for deer that weigh twice as much.
Cheaper, lighter, more fun, just as good.

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:39:28 PM EDT

[#8]

Anything less than a .505 Gibbs is for limp-wristed girlymen.

Fact.

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:56:30 PM EDT

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I shotva 500lb cow elk and a 250lb muley buck this year both with a 140g nosler acubond 6.5 creedmoor.

Posted: 12/25/2017 5:59:16 PM EDT

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Meh..I shoot a magnum..sorry if you don't like it, but it's not your choice to make...I use it for reasons, not the least of which is moose, grizzly, wolves..some close some far......

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Posted: 12/25/2017 6:02:34 PM EDT

[#11]

7x57 is my go to deer caliber.

but I'm not selling my 470NE anytime soon

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:06:24 PM EDT

[#12]

Meanwhile, people that live in the Alaskan Bush kill everything that walks with a 30-06.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:08:10 PM EDT

[#13]

Does it really matter if the bullet is 308, 30-06 or 300wm?

Same hole. On a deer they're all going to go through and through.

300wm on elk just extends my range.

Although a 6.5cm light weight hunting rifle is in my to get list.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:08:54 PM EDT

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Nope and you can load some pretty low recoil deer loads.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:09:29 PM EDT

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I use a Magnum, .357
94AE
All you girly men who can't handle Magnum power recoil.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:16:46 PM EDT

[#16]

I'm probably overgunned for whitetail with my 12 ga sabot (rifled barrel) gun. I hunt Ohio (shotgun and straight wall only) but I'm pretty sure it's 50 state legal and I'd feel comfortable shooting it at anything with antlers in North America (not talking about 800 yard elk shots). I sit in the tree stand and think about building a supressed 44 mag single shot. But that's money I could spend on plane tickets and hunting tags. I just have this strange desire to do the North American Grand Slam with my shotgun.

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Posted: 12/25/2017 6:20:51 PM EDT

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More expensive
More noise
More recoil
Lower magazine capacity
Heavier/larger rifle
Higher risk of bullet failure at close range

Yeah, they offer a lot.

Most Bubba's couldn't use a .300 savage to it's full potential, let alone a .300 win mag.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:21:07 PM EDT

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I've owned 2 30'06's. The Remington BDL featherweight SUCKED to shoot. I'll never understand the featherweight hunting gun concept. If you can't shoot it enough during the summer because it makes your shoulder bleed, it will be useless when you're climbing mountains. If all you're doing is walking a mile or so to a tree stand, who cares how heavy the rifle is? It's a fraction of the weight of the deer you're going to pack out. Then I had a Savage 30-06. Incomplete project, never should have gotten rid of it.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:25:25 PM EDT

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.416 Barret is where it's at
Elk, deer, trucks, moose, bear, bunkers, ground hogs, squirrels

It does it all and is it a magnum round

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:25:52 PM EDT

[#20]

338 is very light for a elk. It would probably be ok for mule deer but that's about it

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:27:59 PM EDT

[#21]

Shoot whatever you want at Bambi. Up to you how much meat you want off of it.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:28:06 PM EDT

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yeah and it will suck the eyeballs out w/n 3 yards if you miss

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:33:39 PM EDT

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Meh Bubba and his FUDD friends are mostly idiots when it comes to the actual science of terminal ballistics.

Magnums have a place and are amazing hard hitting killing machines. They are not needed to kill whitetails, they do make dropping/killing whitetails at distance in open terrain much more ethical though.

They are another tool in the tool box.

Also, 6.5 creedlapuawinchester terminal ballistics are babytown frolics compared to a fast 30 cal... and behind the shoulder shots where the deer runs 50yds and dies are not "good". Hydrostatic shock is real and it works, you also don't need a magnum to do it. That should stir the pot sufficiently

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:34:03 PM EDT

[#24]

I really wanted a 300 Win Mag.

So I spent $200 and bought this.

I love it. Sub MOA too.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:43:32 PM EDT

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More expensive
More noise
More recoil
Lower magazine capacity
Heavier/larger rifle
Higher risk of bullet failure at close range

Yeah, they offer a lot.

Most Bubba's couldn't use a .300 savage to it's full potential, let alone a .300 win mag.

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This.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:46:54 PM EDT

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Seems to be the case around here. Everyone wants a 300 win mag minimum for their 140lb doe.

Have a cousin that hunts white tail with 300rum "cuz I wants ta makes sure it gets deaded real good like"

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:52:40 PM EDT

[#27]

.308 is my top end for deer hunting and I consider it a good bit of overkill, .223 seems to kill them just as dead for me. This year I took 2 with .223, 1 with .308, and 1 with .45. All either dropped where they were shot, or ran no more than 30 yards.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:54:59 PM EDT

[#28]

I use a 7 mag for deer and elk simply because I don't have to account for much drop in the ranges I'm normally shooting. 100-400 yards. I have shot deer with less but can't think of a good reason to use less gun.

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:57:44 PM EDT

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Nope and you can load some pretty low recoil deer loads.

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375 Holland & Holland is not a magnum

Nope and you can load some pretty low recoil deer loads.

Not sure if serious?

Maybe you fellers can read up on it a bit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.375_H%26H_Magnum

Posted: 12/25/2017 6:59:59 PM EDT

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Except the guy 2 posts above you that shoots a 300 RUM.

You can't overkill animals. I've seen more meat damage on white tails and mule deer with a 270 Win than any of the magnums. If you can stand the recoil (and most aren't that bad) there isn't much downside to shooting a magnum.

As always I have to throw in the disclaimer that I don't shoot a magnum. I'm not here defending my choices. Just passing on what I've seen and experienced with seeing many deer taking with a wide variety of calibers.

Posted: 12/25/2017 7:00:21 PM EDT

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The headstamps on my brass say it is.

Posted: 12/25/2017 7:40:29 PM EDT

[#32]

Damn, I guess I'll use the non-magnum.

Posted: 12/25/2017 7:46:12 PM EDT

[#33]

I failed to break an elk shoulder bone at 400 yards with a 270 when I was 15, so I understand the value of magnum calibers.

If I were back in the west and hunting regularly, I'd build two bolt actions, one in 6.5 creedmoor and one in 300 win mag. They should have pretty much the same trajectory, allowing me to practice more with the 6.5. I'd use the 6.5 for white tails, mule deer and antelope, and the 300 win mag for elk, moose or bear.

ETA: I'm a really shitty hunter, but a decent shooter. I took an elk at 250 yards with a magnum muzzle loader once.

Posted: 12/25/2017 7:46:36 PM EDT

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I've killed deer with a stick bow...

There are a ton of calibers that work -it's all in shot placement, really.

Posted: 12/25/2017 7:47:54 PM EDT

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This man is not playing around.

eta: the largest calibers I've ever shot whitetail deer with are 45-70 and 300wsm.

Posted: 12/25/2017 7:54:49 PM EDT

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Some big boys ................. not necessarily magnums ..................

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I double lung'd my Aoudad with a 7mm Rem Mag and it still ran 250 yards. I was really lucky the sum bish died where I could climb out to.

7mm is a Mag. Some other Mags in the name of Mags.

Posted: 12/25/2017 8:18:54 PM EDT

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I killed a whitetail last week with a 6.5 Grendel. It was very very dead.

Posted: 12/25/2017 9:05:57 PM EDT

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Meh..I shoot a magnum..sorry if you don't like it, but it's not your choice to make...I use it for reasons, not the least of which is moose, grizzly, wolves..some close some far......
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This man is correct. An animal can’t be too dead.

Posted: 12/25/2017 9:31:20 PM EDT

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Posted: 12/25/2017 9:46:50 PM EDT

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I don't hunt big came, just because of the hassle. If I did I would use a 223 with a good heavy bullet.

Shot placement is key and while the hole may be smaller than a 308, it will penetrate just as far. If I couldn't get a good shot then I wouldn't take it. Some Hunters tend to get a little overconfident because they bought the Magnum whatever to take their game. Magnum does not compensate for lack of accuracy or shot placement.

Posted: 12/25/2017 9:50:12 PM EDT

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I really wanted a 300 Win Mag.

So I spent $200 and bought this.

I love it. Sub MOA too.

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Thats an awesome thread, man.

Posted: 12/25/2017 9:58:16 PM EDT

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6.5x55 is the best general purpose cartridge ever devised for unarmored targets.
6.5 Creed is an acceptable modernized version.

Posted: 12/25/2017 10:02:42 PM EDT

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Also a big fan of the 6.5 creedmoor for non dangerous game.

Posted: 12/25/2017 10:22:10 PM EDT

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I use .243 Win and .22-250 Rem for whitetails and hogs. Depends on the potential shot distances where I am hunting at. I do neck and head shots mostly these days, DRT.

Posted: 12/25/2017 10:28:59 PM EDT

[#45]

If you are a shitty marksman a magnum caliber helps a lot.

Posted: 12/25/2017 10:33:20 PM EDT

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6.5x55 is the best general purpose cartridge ever devised for unarmored targets.
6.5 Creed is an acceptable modernized version.

Also a big fan of the 6.5 creedmoor for non dangerous game.

You guys are smart.

Posted: 12/25/2017 10:33:42 PM EDT

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Meh..I shoot a magnum..sorry if you don't like it, but it's not your choice to make...I use it for reasons, not the least of which is moose, grizzly, wolves..some close some far......
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How do you like that Summit press?

Posted: 12/26/2017 12:41:53 AM EDT

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I've used it to kill the top 3 most dangerous big game animals in NV.

Posted: 12/26/2017 12:43:05 AM EDT

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Fuck me to tears...

You owe me a new chair.

Posted: 12/26/2017 12:44:55 AM EDT

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I don't think you'd be able to sit down in a chair after that.

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