I'm not a drug abuser today.  But once the DEA gets around to a solid date to schedule this, I guess I magically will be.

Better consume all of the Kratom I bought yesterday before that date.  Then I can (again, magically) avoid the stigma of being a Drug Abuser™.

I'd better add to my "stash" before it becomes illegal:



Maybe I'll buy a can of Monster or some Red Bull to go with it, and go on a drug fueled orgy of, um, something.  I guess I'm at a loss.  A modern day, kratom-equivalent Reefer Madness propaganda piece isn't out there for me to reference.

Oops, double post.

Buy from http://www.pabotanicals.com, they have great prices - about 9-10 cents/gram.

How many grams do each of those capsules contain?

I’ve been toying with the idea of getting some, mainly just for helping relaxation while flying since the booze hangover isn’t ideal

May as well order some, now or never

Better not have any in your possession after the date the bureaucracy deems it to be "scheduled", lest you become a felon.

Today, you are an upstanding, contributing-to-society citizen.  Tomorrow, according to many on this board, you will be a useless piece of shit doper, not worthy to own guns.

A bunch of people here will be trying to put you behind bars.

I use Kratom every single day, and it's kept me off prescription opioids that would turn me in to a pill head. It has also allowed me to manage pain to the point that I have skipped spinal injections.

I've never once gotten "high" from it.

They're trying to patent the Kratom alkaloid and then simultaneously declare it a "deadly opioid."

Fucking sick motherfuckers hate America and Americans. They want to keep us addicted to pills.

And then there are the sick motherfuckers in this thread who would rather me be an pharmaceutical opioid addict than live and function as a productive American citizen and father to my 4 year old.

Read My Thread.

Bull FUCKING shit. That's a lie and you know it- post evidence.

I'm an ex-LEO. Never heard of it before I used it for pain.

I guess you'd rather have people addicted to prescription pain pills?

If you want to educate yourself, check out the American Kratom Association, otherwise you're making yourself look ignorant to every member here who knows about Kratom and what it does, does not do.

Big Pharma's Patents on Kratom Alkaloid Prove the Real Reason DEA Is Banning Kratom

Don't let other people tell you what to believe, arrive at your own conclusions. Don't be a fucking follower.

AKA Rebuttal to FDA's Fake News

I spoke with someone last night concerning Kratom. Due to unfortunate circumstances they are familiar with its use and its effects. They pretty much share your opinion.

Stayed late off the clock at work to help a customer on the night of my accident, wish that I could go back in time and leave 5 minutes earlier. But I was in the wrong place, at the wrong time and my body got demolished in a head-on collision. It has been a huge struggle to go from being a hard-charger and working in LE/Fire Service, feeling like I am worth something to being a crippled. It's humiliating. But it could happen to anybody. Doctors tried hard to push narcotic painkillers on me, but I've seen what they do and I've felt immense pain from watching family members suffer with addiction. Didn't want my son to go through that, watching me waste away and leaving him in debt. I knew how it would end. Did some research and finally someone suggested Kratom to me...it has been nothing short of a miracle. I ended up going back to work full time, albeit a desk job because of my brain injury. Body still hurts every day that I wake up, but Kratom helps me to push through it and avoid further deterioration beyond what I deal with. The epidural (spinal) injections help some, but doctor tells me they aren't good in the long term and that they further destroy my spine. I can only have so many of them in a year, they are incredibly expensive and wear off too soon.

So I'm left with Kratom, except Big Pharma is whipping ignorant people up in to a frenzy of fear so that it can patent the active alkaloid (mitragynine,) sell it at 10x the price and never have to really worry about people using the natural leaf instead of their product. It's sick- satanic- twisted. They'd make me a felon before they'd see me use something natural that works. They'd rather me be a pill head and support their profit margin.

Kratom works. And many of us who use it are Conservative, MAGA-train, 2A supporting Patriots.

No words...

MAGA

MAGA.

ETA for anyone else reading: There is a member here who is a .MIL Veteran who was shot and suffers with lifelong pain. He's a fucking hero, a Patriot, and he uses Kratom to help manage his pain.

Would the drug warriors support it being banned and taken from him?

The answer is "Yes."

What the fuck is wrong with some people?

Using nature to one's benefit is a natural right of humanity.

My brother used (and still uses occasionally) it to help with severe depression.  He was often suicidal (actively suicidal, not just thoughts), had seen many doctors, had taken many medications, and nothing helped - and often made things worse.  Finally he tried kratom, and it was the only thing that helped him when he was deep into dark depression.  Partially due to kratom, my brother is no longer suicidal, and while still depressed, hardly shows it - he usually seems happy, if a bit tired, he's great to hang out with and is always willing to help anyone who needs it, and his darker days are like his brightest days five years ago.

Obviously kratom doesn't cure depression, but it helps to clear the path of escape from depression.

I sometimes use it if I'm feeling stressed.  Occasionally I'll get what I can only assume is a panic attack, and kratom helps.  It's also good to take before getting some work done, as it brightens my mood and raises my energy.

That's where you're wrong.  Only government and huge corps know what's good for you.

And government-administered heroin is MMM MMM GOOD!  As long as it's government-administered.  Otherwise it's worse than Satan.

Government taxed and controlled booze is awesome too.  Government approved so you know it's safe.

Recently had a thread about VA cutting off my Hydrocodone and lots of members posted about Kratom so I got some.  Seems to work and doesn't have the side effects of Hydro.  Thanks again to all who told me about Kratom.

Can somebody tell me what exactly the FDA ruling means? What effect it will have? Thanks.

I’ll take the word of people on this website like Seraphim over that of the FDA any day. The FDA is an extremely untrustworthy organization that does not have the best interests of the people as its goal.

Better stock up while you can

Lots of people make their living directly or indirectly from the "war on drugs" so they are heavily invested in it.  Many others have been brainwashed by the bullshit spouted by the first group.  The war on drugs has done exactly what it was intended to do,  circumvent the bill of rights and give the .gov more control and lots more $$$$$.

All of this.

Can't go to your Doc and get a xanax RX?

That's what i did for flying.

lol

Drug warrior popping head pills.  No way.

This.

At this point nothing. The DEA was going to put the active components of kraton into the Schedule 1 category (defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse) in 2016 but backed down.

Will that eventually happen? Probably.

Cite to drug warrior claim?

You're anti war on drugs?  Cool.  Sorry about my previous post.

No problem.

Sorry to use the Huffington Post but they have a good article here:

On Tuesday, Gottlieb reiterated concerns about kratom’s “potential for abuse, addiction, and serious health consequences; including death.” As proof of the drug’s deadly harm, the FDA released reports on 36 deaths involving the use of kratom, culled from academic research, medical examiner reports and adverse event reports. Gottlieb also said the FDA plans to release the eight newly received reports.

Almost all of the FDA’s cases involve subjects who were found to be on multiple substances at the time of their death, with the vast majority including either illicit or prescription drugs that carry well-known fatal risks.

One incident describes a teenager who had hanged himself after struggling with depression and prescription drug abuse. He tested positive for a variety of drugs, including kratom, as well as alcohol and a handful of prescription drugs.

Another case involves a man who had fallen out a window, broken his arm and refused treatment before dying. He was ultimately found to have had nine different substances in his bloodstream, among them mitragynine, the primary psychoactive substance in kratom.

FDA’s list of kratom-related deaths also includes a 43-year-old man determined to have died from complications due to deep vein thrombosis. He had a long list of medical problems, including chronic back and shoulder pain and a history of alcohol and prescription drug abuse. At the time of his death, he’d recently been prescribed five different medicines. His toxicology test came back positive for opioids, benzodiazepines ? best known as Xanax ? anti-depressants and a medication apparently used to treat his Tourette’s syndrome. He also tested positive for kratom.

One case the FDA listed as a kratom-related death, which has been completely redacted in the document, appears elsewhere in an agency database as a death by homicide due to a gunshot wound to the chest.

Nine of the FDA’s 36 documented deaths were related to a string of fatal overdoses in Sweden in 2010, which involved a controversial kratom-based product that had been adulterated with a dangerous synthetic opioid. An additional eight cases that FDA previously released to HuffPost consisted largely of voluntary reports, including accounts from family members who simply suspected their loved ones had died from kratom use.

Just one of the FDA’s cases appears to involve the presence of kratom alone, though the report includes no information on the death apart from the subject’s age and ethnicity. The report shows the individual tested positive for high levels of mitragynine, but as in the rest of the cases, says nothing about how the substance was determined to have contributed to his death. The FDA denied HuffPost’s request for additional information on that case.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kratom-deaths-fda_us_5a7a3549e4b07af4e81eda8b

After surgery, all those fucking things did to me was make me a zombie and sleep all fucking day.

But after surgery...........that was ok.

Thanks, appreciate it.
Doctors prescribe drugs for pain. Govt tells them to stop. People find a less dangerous alternative. Govt tells them to stop. Perfect. They are not on our side.

I could, but if a milder/natural non-benzo can achieve a similar effect I’d be much more partial to that. But if me possessing it turns me into a felon I guess that leaves little choice

@Seraphim So, what is the move now for those who don't want it made illegal?

Dont know about kratom but I'm still irritated that I can no longer get old school ripped fuel.

Nonsense. You're clearly posting this from beyond the grave. I'm on to your tricks...

Cocaine(and relatives) are used in tooth surgery, you know "novaCAINE" as well as eye surgery(forget the name, maybe proCAINE). Cool think about organic chemistry is that you can frequently spot relatives of compounds by their endings. -ine means alkaloid which frequently have effects on body receptors. heroINE, caffINE, nicotine, ect ect. Heck RicINE(castor bean), and abrINE(jequerty bean) are alkaloids as well that are plant derived and around the deadliest poisons on the planet(IIRC they are deadlier than VX gas).

"plant derived" doesn't mean shit, unprocessed doesn't mean shit.

Accusing him of being a democrat is worse than calling him a druggie.

I'm behind the curve.

So junk science.  They pursued a result and a ran a "study" where they cherry picked the data to use to arrive at a sufficiently horrific result.

Oh, and they're being opaque as to the details and methodology of the "study"

Not that it really matters as far as I'm concerned.  You could prove to me very convincingly that kratom directly caused cancer... I'd still say it should be legal.

Good article at Forbes:

FDA Weaponizes 'Opioid' Label Against Kratom Consumers
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2018/02/09/fda-weaponizes-opioid-label-against-kratom-consumers/#7d26498f4536

Smells like bullfuck to me, but then, I don't know anything about it.

More power to the pharmaceuticals and medical industry.

Not to get too dramatic here, but this is the tyrannical govt doing stuff we don't want it to do.

What are you going to do if/when the govt criminalizes kratom?

Good article, he pretty much goes full nuke on their "research".  Too bad it probably still won't make a difference to the .gov.  

Disclaimer: I've tried it and while it did seem to help a little for some arthritic type pain, it also made me feel a bit nauseous.  Not sure I'd try to it again but I think rescheduling it is stupid.