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Posted: 7/19/2018 11:03:45 AM EDT
On July 28, 2018; there will be a Pro Gun Rally at the Florida Capitol, in Tallahassee, Florida. Organized by Mr. Jon Gutmacher. Noted Firearms Attorney and author of Florida Firearms Law, Use & Ownership. The guide book for anything and everything firearms related in terms of Florida law. A book so well respected that it is even issued as required reading in a number of Police Academies. Currently scheduled to speak at the rally is the following:
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Wow.. that's a hell of a line up speaking.
I am a life member of the NRA, but more and more they have begun to piss me off. |
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I guess it isn't Hammer time
Good Luck Fl. With the RINO's fucking you over, you gonna need it. |
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lol at the Gutmacher banner using the St Skittles killer pistol Keltc PF-9.
Maximum trolling! |
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Why wouldn't the NRA be there ? View Quote And for all you super faggots who are going to bash my opinion I'm a life member with 2 other life members in my household, VCDL (barring Van Cleave's recent dipshit move) does gun rights better. |
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Why wouldn't the NRA be there ? View Quote 1. The NRA must always be the main attraction. If there's a spotlight, they have to be in it. If there will be other people there to share the spotlight, the NRA won't show up. Kinda like the hot girl that wasn't elected Homecoming Queen. 2. The NRA can't stand to actually see actual citizens doing what the NRA's supposed to be doing. It just looks bad. 3. The NRA doesn't actually want any progress made on gun rights. If they won all the battles, and there were no more battles to win, why would we need an NRA? Amirite? |
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Because Wayne, Cocks, and Hammer time make more money when there is a constant fear of losing our rights, not actually fighting to increase our rights, but to keep the status quo. And for all you super faggots who are going to bash my opinion I'm a life member with 2 other life members in my household, VCDL (barring Van Cleave's recent dipshit move) does gun rights better. View Quote Gun owners are to Republicans, what blacks are to Democrats. They count on us as being reliable votes. |
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Quoted: You're kidding, right? 1. The NRA must always be the main attraction. If there's a spotlight, they have to be in it. If there will be other people there to share the spotlight, the NRA won't show up. Kinda like the hot girl that wasn't elected Homecoming Queen. 2. The NRA can't stand to actually see actual citizens doing what the NRA's supposed to be doing. It just looks bad. 3. The NRA doesn't actually want any progress made on gun rights. If they won all the battles, and there were no more battles to win, why would we need an NRA? Amirite? View Quote Take the modern musket guy that was here. All he could ever do was talk about how he will help anybody here when it comes to the NRA and working to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights and as soon as he got a nice cushy paying job NRA headquarters he disappeared like a fart in the wind. |
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Ah yes, lets not ever leave any opportunity to beat the dead horse and bash NRA.
Honestly, you're tainting the 2a support and large gathering with infighting, bravo. |
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Ah yes, lets not ever leave any opportunity to beat the dead horse and bash NRA. Honestly, you're tainting the 2a support and large gathering with infighting, bravo. View Quote If the NRA is unwilling to take the lead then it's time for those on the ground there to do it. |
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Ah yes, lets not ever leave any opportunity to beat the dead horse and bash NRA. Honestly, you're tainting the 2a support and large gathering with infighting, bravo. View Quote |
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http://www.upal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/shutterstock_39210619.jpg Both groups (NRA & GOP) use the Carrot and Stick approach. They promise us the carrot and threaten us with the stick. The carrot is freedom and liberty. The stick is the threat of "Watch what the Democrats will do if they win". View Quote |
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Honestly curious - when was the last time the NRA actually hosted a rally?
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Ah yes, lets not ever leave any opportunity to beat the dead horse and bash NRA. Honestly, you're tainting the 2a support and large gathering with infighting, bravo. View Quote |
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Bama-Shooter has said that his NRA regional rep is great and helps organize, support, and fund rallies. Florida's rep (Marion Hammer) does nothing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Take the modern musket guy that was here. All he could ever do was talk about how he will help anybody here when it comes to the NRA and working to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights and as soon as he got a nice cushy paying job NRA headquarters he disappeared like a fart in the wind. View Quote |
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I guess it isn't Hammer time Good Luck Fl. With the RINO's fucking you over, you gonna need it. View Quote We have a hard fight ahead of us with the GOPe. |
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Bama-Shooter has said that his NRA regional rep is great and helps organize, support, and fund rallies. Florida's rep (Marion Hammer) does nothing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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That pumpkin pie haircut bitch staying at home? View Quote NRA's Marion Hammer sues 5 men, claims she was target of 'hate and vitriol' NRA's Marion Hammer says she's getting 'scores' of threatening calls and emails |
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I've tried to contact my rep, no replies. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Ah yes, lets not ever leave any opportunity to beat the dead horse and bash NRA. Honestly, you're tainting the 2a support and large gathering with infighting, bravo. View Quote Good job Florida and good luck ! |
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Why wouldn't the NRA be there ? View Quote Also it confirms what I've been saying all along, at the state level the people can take it upon themselves to get things done. You don't need the NRA to hold your hands and do everything for you. It is nice having them there to do things but gun owners need to get more involved and join a state level organization in addition to a national organization. |
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Or as @Aimless calls him, "Missing Musket". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Take the modern musket guy that was here. All he could ever do was talk about how he will help anybody here when it comes to the NRA and working to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights and as soon as he got a nice cushy paying job NRA headquarters he disappeared like a fart in the wind. |
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Why would they be there? It is a private event that someone else organized. Do you know if they even ask if the NRA wanted to send someone to speak? Also it confirms what I've been saying all along, at the state level the people can take it upon themselves to get things done. You don't need the NRA to hold your hands and do everything for you. It is nice having them there to do things but gun owners need to get more involved and join a state level organization in addition to a national organization. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why wouldn't the NRA be there ? Also it confirms what I've been saying all along, at the state level the people can take it upon themselves to get things done. You don't need the NRA to hold your hands and do everything for you. It is nice having them there to do things but gun owners need to get more involved and join a state level organization in addition to a national organization. Hence why we're getting it done without them. Problem is, NRA acts as a block in State Politics because of Marion Hammer. |
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Or as @Aimless calls him, "Missing Musket". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Take the modern musket guy that was here. All he could ever do was talk about how he will help anybody here when it comes to the NRA and working to preserve our 2nd Amendment rights and as soon as he got a nice cushy paying job NRA headquarters he disappeared like a fart in the wind. |
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Honestly curious - when was the last time the NRA actually hosted a rally? View Quote Politicians react to voters who support them or stop supporting them. There are lots of issues that can be dealt when and when one issue only brings out 0.001% of those involved in that issue...well the politicians tend not to care. |
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Strange that NRA ain't showing up to a Pro Gun Rights rally. But then again, Marion Hammer doesn't show up to legislative meetings where public comments are allowed to sway the vote of law makers nor does she show up to actual NRA board meetings either. View Quote |
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Why would they be there? It is a private event that someone else organized. Do you know if they even ask if the NRA wanted to send someone to speak? Also it confirms what I've been saying all along, at the state level the people can take it upon themselves to get things done. You don't need the NRA to hold your hands and do everything for you. It is nice having them there to do things but gun owners need to get more involved and join a state level organization in addition to a national organization. View Quote They have fundamentally let us down time and time again. If not supporting a bump stock ban, to giving A ratings to anti gun politicians, to failing to show up at legislative hearings on anti gun bills. Come on, you have to see that. Right? |
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Do you know if they were even asked if they would send a speaker to the event? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I have been involved in this from the start. NRA does not do rallies in Florida. It is beneath them. Jon has reached out and the reply was no. Hence why we're getting it done without them. Problem is, NRA acts as a block in State Politics because of Marion Hammer. |
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Dude, you seem like a pretty good guy, but your self appointed apologist position for the NRA is off the mark. They have fundamentally let us down time and time again. If not supporting a bump stock ban, to giving A ratings to anti gun politicians, to failing to show up at legislative hearings on anti gun bills. Come on, you have to see that. Right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why would they be there? It is a private event that someone else organized. Do you know if they even ask if the NRA wanted to send someone to speak? Also it confirms what I've been saying all along, at the state level the people can take it upon themselves to get things done. You don't need the NRA to hold your hands and do everything for you. It is nice having them there to do things but gun owners need to get more involved and join a state level organization in addition to a national organization. They have fundamentally let us down time and time again. If not supporting a bump stock ban, to giving A ratings to anti gun politicians, to failing to show up at legislative hearings on anti gun bills. Come on, you have to see that. Right? They aren't perfect but considering everything they do they are a 90% ally. Yet you and many others take that 10% you disagree with and then brand them 100% enemy. Also did you see the part of the comment that you quoted where I said "PEOPLE NEED TO JOIN A STATE LEVEL ORG"? Nah, you didn't bother to read that, you just wanted to bash me because I support the largest and most effective pro-gun organization in the country. |
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I have been involved in this from the start. NRA does not do rallies in Florida. It is beneath them. Jon has reached out and the reply was no. View Quote |
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They are still the largest and most powerful pro-gun organization in the country. Some how you think bashing them, criticizing them, and blaming them for everything will somehow strengthen gun rights. They aren't perfect but considering everything they do they are a 90% ally. Yet you and many others take that 10% you disagree with and then brand them 100% enemy. Also did you see the part of the comment that you quoted where I said "PEOPLE NEED TO JOIN A STATE LEVEL ORG"? Nah, you didn't bother to read that, you just wanted to bash me because I support the largest and most effective pro-gun organization in the country. View Quote They are more like a 50% ally most of the time, 90% when they need money. |
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Yep I have read your rehashed and canned responses over and over. You should go into politics. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They are still the largest and most powerful pro-gun organization in the country. Some how you think bashing them, criticizing them, and blaming them for everything will somehow strengthen gun rights. They aren't perfect but considering everything they do they are a 90% ally. Yet you and many others take that 10% you disagree with and then brand them 100% enemy. Also did you see the part of the comment that you quoted where I said "PEOPLE NEED TO JOIN A STATE LEVEL ORG"? Nah, you didn't bother to read that, you just wanted to bash me because I support the largest and most effective pro-gun organization in the country. I don't care what national organization people join, just join one. Everyone should also belong to a state level organization. Gun owners need to get off their lazy butts and get more involved. Right now 5% of gun owners are carrying the water for the other 95%. That 5% isn't just the NRA that is all pro-gun organizations combined. Where are the other 95% of gun owners? Which part of that do you disagree with? |
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Why would they do that? Rally's are not effective and at best they are preaching to the choir. What changed after the April 14th pro-gun rally that every single state had? Nothing. Florida had one and it had a decent size crowd but still attracted less than 0.01% of gun owners...which is why they are not effective! Politicians react to voters who support them or stop supporting them. There are lots of issues that can be dealt when and when one issue only brings out 0.001% of those involved in that issue...well the politicians tend not to care. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Honestly curious - when was the last time the NRA actually hosted a rally? Politicians react to voters who support them or stop supporting them. There are lots of issues that can be dealt when and when one issue only brings out 0.001% of those involved in that issue...well the politicians tend not to care. |
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This is fucking outstanding. Hopefully the turnout is huge. Get em!
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They are still the largest and most powerful pro-gun organization in the country. Some how you think bashing them, criticizing them, and blaming them for everything will somehow strengthen gun rights. They aren't perfect but considering everything they do they are a 90% ally. Yet you and many others take that 10% you disagree with and then brand them 100% enemy. Also did you see the part of the comment that you quoted where I said "PEOPLE NEED TO JOIN A STATE LEVEL ORG"? Nah, you didn't bother to read that, you just wanted to bash me because I support the largest and most effective pro-gun organization in the country. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why would they be there? It is a private event that someone else organized. Do you know if they even ask if the NRA wanted to send someone to speak? Also it confirms what I've been saying all along, at the state level the people can take it upon themselves to get things done. You don't need the NRA to hold your hands and do everything for you. It is nice having them there to do things but gun owners need to get more involved and join a state level organization in addition to a national organization. They have fundamentally let us down time and time again. If not supporting a bump stock ban, to giving A ratings to anti gun politicians, to failing to show up at legislative hearings on anti gun bills. Come on, you have to see that. Right? They aren't perfect but considering everything they do they are a 90% ally. Yet you and many others take that 10% you disagree with and then brand them 100% enemy. Also did you see the part of the comment that you quoted where I said "PEOPLE NEED TO JOIN A STATE LEVEL ORG"? Nah, you didn't bother to read that, you just wanted to bash me because I support the largest and most effective pro-gun organization in the country. |
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How are they canned responses? I just typed that response up a moment ago. Like it or not the NRA is best out there now. I've encouraged people to join other organizations and show the NRA how things should be done, after all 95% of gun owners do not belong to any type of organization. It should be very easy to build up a new pro-gun organization, especially since you all claim the NRA is terrible at everything. I don't care what national organization people join, just join one. Everyone should also belong to a state level organization. Gun owners need to get off their lazy butts and get more involved. Right now 5% of gun owners are carrying the water for the other 95%. That 5% isn't just the NRA that is all pro-gun organizations combined. Where are the other 95% of gun owners? View Quote I will give you that the vast majority of gun owners are lazy fucks. I'm not, I'm constantly on all of my state politicians, from the Gov on down as well as my Federal ones. I belong to the Indiana State Rifle and Pistol Ass, who has been a very effective group. So I do my part...I would like the group that have have a Lifetime membership with to do theirs in states like FL, where it's needed. |
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They are more like a 50% ally most of the time, 90% when they need money. View Quote Do you support: Eddie Eagle Shooting Competitions Instructor Training Defending self-defense shooters Hunting Youth work such as funding rifle ranges at 4-H camps The NRA is involved in those things every single day. Then you have politics where of the hundreds of political hot buttons when it comes to gun, you might disagree with the NRA on 5 of them. Unless you hate shall issue concealed carry, NICs exemptions for CCW holders, castle doctrine, constitutional carry, manufacturer lawsuit protection, a ban on governments confiscating firearms during emergencies....etc. If you don't support those things then you might disagree a bit more. |
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