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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:14:29 PM EDT
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Meh, why worry about it. Trump, the bastion of RKBA freedom, will put a stop to this non sense.
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:15:06 PM EDT
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So before everyone reads the thread title and panics, the letter basically states that the ATF considers the reciever ON A BOLT ACTION to be the part which houses the bolt and barrel. This does not affect 99% of AR uppers. Non-issue. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:15:21 PM EDT
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FPNI Also looks like that would probably apply to AR57 uppers. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:16:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:16:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They did it with the FNC. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:16:55 PM EDT
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Fuck the ATF we need to campaign with the Don to shut them down. Wasteful govt spending on useless and illegal laws. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:18:11 PM EDT
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If the upper is the firearm, then the lower is not a firearm.
I would buy a bunch of non-firearm lowers, for my bolt-action ARs, of course. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:21:17 PM EDT
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They are saying this because it's bolt action. The real reason is they don't want cheap, readily available imports. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:21:23 PM EDT
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This fits the XMG ruling, abet it is still bullshit.
I can see this as a way to clamp down on Glock 80s, since you can probably fire a glock slide like a zip gun by holding the safety plunger up and pulling the striker back by hand. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:22:45 PM EDT
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The upper has always been the serialized part, ("the firearm") on Ruger MKxxx pistols.
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:23:42 PM EDT
[#11]
Um, reading sounds like the design presented to them functions awfully close to a bolt gun
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:24:40 PM EDT
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Trump better put a stop to this. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:28:55 PM EDT
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What if they apply the same logic to sxs or o/u shotguns. Suddenly your Beretta Silver pigeon need a registered firearm approval if you want to swap from a 12ga to 20ga to shoot skeet.
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:30:44 PM EDT
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I see that the Trumps haven't run all the dumbasses out of the ATF. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:. Yeah, reading is hard.
Non-issue. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:33:40 PM EDT
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Um, reading sounds like the design presented to them functions awfully close to a bolt gun except the trigger is in the lower receiver, not attached to the upper receiver. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:35:11 PM EDT
[#17]
It’s ok, Trump is the ATFs boss now
He won’t let them do it |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:36:58 PM EDT
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This fits the XMG ruling, abet it is still bullshit. I can see this as a way to clamp down on Glock 80s, since you can probably fire a glock slide like a zip gun by holding the safety plunger up and pulling the striker back by hand. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:37:22 PM EDT
[#19]
My understanding is that this was already the case in certain circumstances.
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:39:19 PM EDT
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If you want to try and make sense of what the ATF is thinking, you have to have someone hit you in the head with a 2x4 as hard as they can first
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:47:12 PM EDT
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But it looks like the key is that the upper is bolt action. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, I see there point with the 50 cal upper but they can easily bend that to any caliber upper. so.....FTATF A semi upper with the gas system shut off would be similar. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:48:24 PM EDT
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So before everyone reads the thread title and panics, the letter basically states that the ATF considers the reciever ON A BOLT ACTION to be the part which houses the bolt and barrel. This does not affect 99% of AR uppers. *Edit* You know, I dont even know why I try... At three pages, someone obviously already beat me to it... |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:53:49 PM EDT
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Yeah, that bridge was crossed millions of miles ago. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol! How many unserialized AR uppers are out there? Yeah, that'll work... |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:56:03 PM EDT
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Fine, Ill just buy a M107 instead....
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Posted: 7/30/2018 1:59:25 PM EDT
[#25]
Did NRA come up with this nonsense?
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:01:45 PM EDT
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That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel. 27 CFR § 478.11. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:02:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the thread title says, “ATF opening the door to labeling AR uppers firearms.” If bolt actions traditionally serialized the action, can’t they say semi autos “traditionally” do same? That same standard can be applied to M1 Garand, SKS, FAL, AK47, and any other number of rifles that pre-date the AR platform and serialized the portion of the rifle that contains the action/bolt/barrel extension. This is a bullshit letter and SHTF needs to contest this finding vigorously. 
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:03:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only part that matters is what part contains the FCG. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:04:14 PM EDT
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So I need two firearms to build my firearm?  |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:04:18 PM EDT
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So, a bolt action upper contains a bolt, a handle to retract the bolt, and threads to screw the barrel on to. And this is different from a normal AR how? |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:06:17 PM EDT
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I wonder how this effects people who have an upper on order with Safety Harbor.
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:23:07 PM EDT
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This isn't even the first time they've done this, they ruled the BRP XMG upper was also a firearm in and of itself. This made it legal to use on a standard semi auto lower but illegal to use on a transferable M16 lower. Also yo clarify, originally it was fine on an M16. ATF changed their ruling after i had mine for two years. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:26:55 PM EDT
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really dont care what they think, give it 6 months, somebody will have an 80 percent upper that can be completed and there thought will be moot Push back on this type of shit, everywhere, every time. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:31:00 PM EDT
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Looks like my blowback .22 upper will fall into this after looking at the wording
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:37:18 PM EDT
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So I need two firearms to build my firearm? |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:39:17 PM EDT
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It’s a good thing the ATF has no legislative power, and any attempt to further undermine the Constitution while infringing upon inalienable rights should be treated as an act of sedition. Fuck all of our three letter agencies and their anti-american rhetoric. Maybe POTUS will wake up and realize it’s time to hit the reset button on this snakes.
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:41:17 PM EDT
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so the upper on a traditional AR is a straight pull bolt.action without a gas port drilled or an adjustable gas block off position.
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:49:51 PM EDT
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So the ATF giving precedence of the qualifier in the law doesnt worry you? Any AR upper is like this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So before everyone reads the thread title and panics, the letter basically states that the ATF considers the reciever ON A BOLT ACTION to be the part which houses the bolt and barrel. This does not affect 99% of AR uppers. This doesn't change anything. OP wanted to start a panic. That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel. 27 CFR § 478.11. This thread is fear mongering bullshit. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 2:51:12 PM EDT
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So before everyone reads the thread title and panics, the letter basically states that the ATF considers the reciever ON A BOLT ACTION to be the part which houses the bolt and barrel. This does not affect 99% of AR uppers. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:01:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Where do I order my 80% upper?
F**king ATF. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:05:54 PM EDT
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Trump better put a stop to this. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:08:58 PM EDT
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The only part that matters is what part contains the FCG. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So before everyone reads the thread title and panics, the letter basically states that the ATF considers the reciever ON A BOLT ACTION to be the part which houses the bolt and barrel. This does not affect 99% of AR uppers. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:11:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Unless i missed something it's no different from a bolt action .22 in that where the manually actuated bolt rides is a receiver.
As much as it pains me to admit it I'm thinking that the FATF is correct in this instance. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:12:59 PM EDT
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ITT: People that don’t bother to read.
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:13:19 PM EDT
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Next thing you know they will want to serialize bullets. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:13:58 PM EDT
[#46]
Who in the wide wide world of sports wrote a letter to the ATF?
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:17:28 PM EDT
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First post....
The nailing... It happened. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:18:50 PM EDT
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So before everyone reads the thread title and panics, the letter basically states that the ATF considers the reciever ON A BOLT ACTION to be the part which houses the bolt and barrel. This does not affect 99% of AR uppers. This nit picking about absolute bs to construe and infringe on our 2nd Amendment rights is absolutely disgusting and insulting. It is the very definition of infringement. So how about NO! It's time to shut the ATF down and give their actual responsibilities to a body that won't abuse them like they do. They aren't law enforcement, they think they are law makers. So wrong. |
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:19:26 PM EDT
[#49]
@backbencher this would also apply to 5.7 uppers and the Lyndon, no?
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Posted: 7/30/2018 3:19:31 PM EDT
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Who in the wide wide world of sports wrote a letter to the ATF? 
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