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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:54:18 PM EDT
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I love dogs and one of the best dogs I ever owned was an American Bull Terrier. But even I'm having problems supporting the breed these days. I don't know what's going on, but something's happening in the breed to make so many of them as violent as they are. Whatever it is, I suspect idiot humans did it with uncontrolled amateur breeding programs.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:56:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I frankly do not care if some stranger's dogs bite other strangers or other dogs. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:57:22 PM EDT
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I love dogs and one of the best dogs I ever owned was an American Bull Terrier. But even I'm having problems supporting the breed these days. I don't know what's going on, but something's happening in the breed to make so many of them as violent as they are. Whatever it is, I suspect idiot humans did it with uncontrolled amateur breeding programs. Selective breeding at it's worst. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:59:31 PM EDT
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I'd pay good money to see that. Dumb ass Pits would probably think they are winning even after kitty starts dismembering them...  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would you bring a pitbull to a dog show? Like bringing a POS jalopy to a car show. Feed the pit to the big cats at the zoo. They would love a noisy chew toy teach a lesson. Dumb ass Pits would probably think they are winning even after kitty starts dismembering them... A Siberian Tiger getting tossed a pit would be like throwing a mouse to a Maine Coon. The overconfident Pit would get a rather drawn out lesson on how the food chain actually works. Tiger's reaction would be: 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:03:10 PM EDT
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A Siberian Tiger getting tossed a pit would be like throwing a mouse to a Maine Coon. The overconfident Pit would get a rather drawn out lesson on how the food chain actually works. Tiger's reaction would be: https://i.imgur.com/jSpd1oA.jpg |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:03:21 PM EDT
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But yet you seem to care that some people care that some stranger's dog bite strangers or other strangers. https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8wxyrf1tl0rs2n/very%20interesting.jpg?raw=1 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I frankly do not care if some stranger's dogs bite other strangers or other dogs. https://www.dropbox.com/s/o8wxyrf1tl0rs2n/very%20interesting.jpg?raw=1 But I am curiously amused as to why so many invest so much emotion into other people's choice of dog breed. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:04:06 PM EDT
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And yet, sometimes a small, aggressive dog can tree a Cougar or a bear. Boldness sometimes matters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Siberian Tiger getting tossed a pit would be like throwing a mouse to a Maine Coon. The overconfident Pit would get a rather drawn out lesson on how the food chain actually works. Tiger's reaction would be: https://i.imgur.com/jSpd1oA.jpg |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:05:55 PM EDT
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I don't understand why anyone would want the liability of owning a Pit. They maul and kill children, adults, other dogs, owners. A dangerous breed and should be banned, eliminated. Perhaps it is all about the training they get but you would think a froo-froo show dog would be pampered, not trained swinging from a rope as it clamps down on a knot at the end. Want to get sued out of everything you own? Get a Pitbull. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:07:32 PM EDT
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Nobody would give a shit if you lived secluded out in the middle of nowhere and kept your BOP there. But all too often the owners decide to mix it up with the rest of society with disastrous results. For the crowd that compares guns to dogs: Imagine a powerful handgun that would periodically, spontaneously, and unpredictably go off on its own. Would you care if I lived alone in the woods with such a weapon? I doubt it. Now what if I lived in your town and frequently walked around local parks with the thing in a shoulder holster? Would that concern you a little?
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:07:51 PM EDT
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Im surprised the Siberian didnt kill the pit as a lesson to others.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your dog may be awesome. I doubt it, but maybe. That doesnt change the fact that pibbles are responsible for the overwhelming percentage of serious dog bites (requiring medical attention or causing death). They were bred for strength and aggression. Full stop. Guns and pit boos is a terrible comparison. My gun does not have free will and cannot spontaneously shoot someone. You're the one using gun grabber logic here. I still scroll thru these train-wreck threads, but rarely post. A dog is NOT a firearm. The correlation is not even weak. It is non-existent. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:11:20 PM EDT
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But yet you seem to care that some people care that some stranger's dog bite strangers or other strangers. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:11:35 PM EDT
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A Siberian Tiger getting tossed a pit would be like throwing a mouse to a Maine Coon. The overconfident Pit would get a rather drawn out lesson on how the food chain actually works. Tiger's reaction would be: https://i.imgur.com/jSpd1oA.jpg Toss your "aggressive/bold" pit in with a Siberian and watch what happens to ghetto dog. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:14:05 PM EDT
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Don't bother. I still scroll thru these train-wreck threads, but rarely post. A dog is NOT a firearm. The correlation is not even weak. It is non-existent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Your dog may be awesome. I doubt it, but maybe. That doesnt change the fact that pibbles are responsible for the overwhelming percentage of serious dog bites (requiring medical attention or causing death). They were bred for strength and aggression. Full stop. Guns and pit boos is a terrible comparison. My gun does not have free will and cannot spontaneously shoot someone. You're the one using gun grabber logic here. I still scroll thru these train-wreck threads, but rarely post. A dog is NOT a firearm. The correlation is not even weak. It is non-existent. The correlation is between the emotion-fueled rhetoric used by those who are anti-gun and those who are anti-pitbull. They use the exact same phrases and appeals to emotions. It is uncanny and undeniable. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:16:00 PM EDT
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Don't bother. I still scroll thru these train-wreck threads, but rarely post. A dog is NOT a firearm. The correlation is not even weak. It is non-existent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Your dog may be awesome. I doubt it, but maybe. That doesnt change the fact that pibbles are responsible for the overwhelming percentage of serious dog bites (requiring medical attention or causing death). They were bred for strength and aggression. Full stop. Guns and pit boos is a terrible comparison. My gun does not have free will and cannot spontaneously shoot someone. You're the one using gun grabber logic here. I still scroll thru these train-wreck threads, but rarely post. A dog is NOT a firearm. The correlation is not even weak. It is non-existent. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:16:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryPit was like "WTF is going on? Oh well... I guess I'll attack."
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:16:56 PM EDT
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Except they’re including mutts in the numbers and basing things on media articles, which aren’t particularly accurate. So no, that’s not anything close to “hard data”. And it still is a very, very low number, given the overall population of dogs, pit bull type dogs, etc. It’s a non-issue, like the handwringing over deaths perpetrated with those evil “assault weapons”, which are also very few and statistically irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Hysteria. Plain and simple. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do all these busybodies spend SO much time worrying about the dogs that other people choose to own? For the crowd that compares guns to dogs: Imagine a powerful handgun that would periodically, spontaneously, and unpredictably go off on its own. Would you care if I lived alone in the woods with such a weapon? I doubt it. Now what if I lived in your town and frequently walked around local parks with the thing in a shoulder holster? Would that concern you a little? You oughta practice playing devil's advocate to that line of logic and see if you can point out a few flaws in it. Why might that not be a valid comparison? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/Screenshot_20181101-133033_Photos_jpg-724404.JPG This is all fatal dog attacks since 2008. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724405.JPG One of these things is not like the other. This isn't emotional, hysterical, illogical nonsense. It's hard data. It's fact. Pitbull appologists don't think statistics be like they do, but it is. And it still is a very, very low number, given the overall population of dogs, pit bull type dogs, etc. It’s a non-issue, like the handwringing over deaths perpetrated with those evil “assault weapons”, which are also very few and statistically irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Hysteria. Plain and simple. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:16:56 PM EDT
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Don't bother. I still scroll thru these train-wreck threads, but rarely post. A dog is NOT a firearm. The correlation is not even weak. It is non-existent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Your dog may be awesome. I doubt it, but maybe. That doesnt change the fact that pibbles are responsible for the overwhelming percentage of serious dog bites (requiring medical attention or causing death). They were bred for strength and aggression. Full stop. Guns and pit boos is a terrible comparison. My gun does not have free will and cannot spontaneously shoot someone. You're the one using gun grabber logic here. I still scroll thru these train-wreck threads, but rarely post. A dog is NOT a firearm. The correlation is not even weak. It is non-existent. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:19:02 PM EDT
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Pretty sure "assault weapons" don't account for 3/4 of the gun deaths in the US each year (Where pits DO account for 3/4 of the fatal dog attacks). What point are you trying to make with that post? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do all these busybodies spend SO much time worrying about the dogs that other people choose to own? For the crowd that compares guns to dogs: Imagine a powerful handgun that would periodically, spontaneously, and unpredictably go off on its own. Would you care if I lived alone in the woods with such a weapon? I doubt it. Now what if I lived in your town and frequently walked around local parks with the thing in a shoulder holster? Would that concern you a little? You oughta practice playing devil's advocate to that line of logic and see if you can point out a few flaws in it. Why might that not be a valid comparison? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/Screenshot_20181101-133033_Photos_jpg-724404.JPG This is all fatal dog attacks since 2008. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724405.JPG One of these things is not like the other. This isn't emotional, hysterical, illogical nonsense. It's hard data. It's fact. Pitbull appologists don't think statistics be like they do, but it is. And it still is a very, very low number, given the overall population of dogs, pit bull type dogs, etc. It’s a non-issue, like the handwringing over deaths perpetrated with those evil “assault weapons”, which are also very few and statistically irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Hysteria. Plain and simple. Are you using them to support the idea of a ban? Or for some reason, are you just trying to get everyone to see that pit-bulls bite a lot of people? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:19:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The correlation is not between a dog and a gun. The correlation is between the emotion-fueled rhetoric used by those who are anti-gun and those who are anti-pitbull. They use the exact same phrases and appeals to emotions. It is uncanny and undeniable. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:21:23 PM EDT
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Pretty sure "assault weapons" don't account for 3/4 of the gun deaths in the US each year (Where pits DO account for 3/4 of the fatal dog attacks). What point are you trying to make with that post? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do all these busybodies spend SO much time worrying about the dogs that other people choose to own? For the crowd that compares guns to dogs: Imagine a powerful handgun that would periodically, spontaneously, and unpredictably go off on its own. Would you care if I lived alone in the woods with such a weapon? I doubt it. Now what if I lived in your town and frequently walked around local parks with the thing in a shoulder holster? Would that concern you a little? You oughta practice playing devil's advocate to that line of logic and see if you can point out a few flaws in it. Why might that not be a valid comparison? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/Screenshot_20181101-133033_Photos_jpg-724404.JPG This is all fatal dog attacks since 2008. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724405.JPG One of these things is not like the other. This isn't emotional, hysterical, illogical nonsense. It's hard data. It's fact. Pitbull appologists don't think statistics be like they do, but it is. And it still is a very, very low number, given the overall population of dogs, pit bull type dogs, etc. It’s a non-issue, like the handwringing over deaths perpetrated with those evil “assault weapons”, which are also very few and statistically irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Hysteria. Plain and simple. Yes, 3/4 of deaths sounds bad. And then you look at actual numbers, and it’s around 30 or less. Out of millions of people dying from this, that, and the other each year, and the millions of pit bulls out there in the country. It’s just not a common event. Just like deaths from “assault rifles”. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:21:24 PM EDT
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No children nearby?
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:28:18 PM EDT
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Well the comparison fails because a weapon can be 100% controlled. A psychotic dog breed may very well run of and do it's own thing. The doggie equivalent of an AR going on a shooting spree by it's self. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The correlation is not between a dog and a gun. The correlation is between the emotion-fueled rhetoric used by those who are anti-gun and those who are anti-pitbull. They use the exact same phrases and appeals to emotions. It is uncanny and undeniable. Odd that you refer to an entire dog breed as being "psychotic." They are animals, not people. Animals cannot suffer from psychosis. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:28:22 PM EDT
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Well the comparison fails because a weapon can be 100% controlled. A psychotic dog breed may very well run of and do it's own thing. The doggie equivalent of an AR going on a shooting spree by it's self. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:33:02 PM EDT
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Using statistics and hard data to justify an emotional argument doesn't change the fact that it is an emotional argument. Do YOU support banning or killing all pitbulls? Do those statistics support the idea of a ban of all pitbulls? Or that they should all be killed? If not, then they are irrelevant to the discussion. I frankly do not care if some stranger's dogs bite other strangers or other dogs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do all these busybodies spend SO much time worrying about the dogs that other people choose to own? For the crowd that compares guns to dogs: Imagine a powerful handgun that would periodically, spontaneously, and unpredictably go off on its own. Would you care if I lived alone in the woods with such a weapon? I doubt it. Now what if I lived in your town and frequently walked around local parks with the thing in a shoulder holster? Would that concern you a little? You oughta practice playing devil's advocate to that line of logic and see if you can point out a few flaws in it. Why might that not be a valid comparison? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/Screenshot_20181101-133033_Photos_jpg-724404.JPG This is all fatal dog attacks since 2008. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724405.JPG One of these things is not like the other. This isn't emotional, hysterical, illogical nonsense. It's hard data. It's fact. Pitbull appologists don't think statistics be like they do, but it is. Do YOU support banning or killing all pitbulls? Do those statistics support the idea of a ban of all pitbulls? Or that they should all be killed? If not, then they are irrelevant to the discussion. I frankly do not care if some stranger's dogs bite other strangers or other dogs. By your standard, any argument against pitbulls is an emotional argument. By definition, your argument in support of the breed is the emotional argument. You're using your emotions to argue against the published data. Show me data proving pitbulls are not the leading cause of death and injury from dogs. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:36:02 PM EDT
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Traits and drives matter.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:37:46 PM EDT
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Yes, that's why I would never compare dogs to guns, unless I was talking about a black lab sharing the same color as my rifle. Odd that you refer to an entire dog breed as being "psychotic." They are animals, not people. Animals cannot suffer from psychosis. But animals can in fact suffer from mental illness.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:42:32 PM EDT
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That's rediculous. I'm using statistics to make an argument. You're calling those statistics an emotional argument. You clearly don't know what an emotional argument is. An emotional argument is one that is made without facts or despite the facts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do all these busybodies spend SO much time worrying about the dogs that other people choose to own? For the crowd that compares guns to dogs: Imagine a powerful handgun that would periodically, spontaneously, and unpredictably go off on its own. Would you care if I lived alone in the woods with such a weapon? I doubt it. Now what if I lived in your town and frequently walked around local parks with the thing in a shoulder holster? Would that concern you a little? You oughta practice playing devil's advocate to that line of logic and see if you can point out a few flaws in it. Why might that not be a valid comparison? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/Screenshot_20181101-133033_Photos_jpg-724404.JPG This is all fatal dog attacks since 2008. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724405.JPG One of these things is not like the other. This isn't emotional, hysterical, illogical nonsense. It's hard data. It's fact. Pitbull appologists don't think statistics be like they do, but it is. Do YOU support banning or killing all pitbulls? Do those statistics support the idea of a ban of all pitbulls? Or that they should all be killed? If not, then they are irrelevant to the discussion. I frankly do not care if some stranger's dogs bite other strangers or other dogs. I did not say that the statistics WERE an emotional argument. I said that they are being used to SUPPORT an emotional argument. It generally starts with "I feel". It doesn't start with "here are the numbers".
By your standard, any argument against pitbulls is an emotional argument. By definition, your argument in support of the breed is the emotional argument. You're using your emotions to argue against the published data. I am making the argument that the rhetoric used by those who are calling for a ban of the breed, or calling for the killing of all pit-bulls is an emotional argument. It's undeniable. Show me data proving pitbulls are not the leading cause of death and injury from dogs. For that matter, WHY are YOU seeking and posting statistics to prove to people that pit-bulls are bad? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:45:46 PM EDT
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Well I'm sure you knew I used the word psychotic for affect. But animals can in fact suffer from mental illness.
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Yes, that's why I would never compare dogs to guns, unless I was talking about a black lab sharing the same color as my rifle. Odd that you refer to an entire dog breed as being "psychotic." They are animals, not people. Animals cannot suffer from psychosis. But animals can in fact suffer from mental illness.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:49:24 PM EDT
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Never knew I had the hots for Thai veterinarians.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:49:55 PM EDT
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They did that briefly and quickly moved on. Rarely do they go back, only onward to bigger, badder, or better. Try again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:50:29 PM EDT
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I love my pitbull. She is the best dog I have ever seen, loyal smart well behaved. Most people who hate pitbulls have never owned one, just like most people who hate guns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, when are we going to end that fucking breed? Useless fucking animals You do not love dogs if you think a pit is a good dog. Most people who hate pitbulls have never owned one, just like most people who hate guns. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:52:57 PM EDT
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No. I did not say that the statistics WERE an emotional argument. I said that they are being used to SUPPORT an emotional argument. But I am not in any way making an argument in support of the breed. I am making the argument that the rhetoric used by those who are calling for a ban of the breed, or calling for the killing of all pit-bulls is an emotional argument. It's undeniable. I've never claimed that they weren't. Why would I be bothered making such an argument? For that matter, WHY are YOU seeking and posting statistics to prove to people that pit-bulls are bad? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do all these busybodies spend SO much time worrying about the dogs that other people choose to own? For the crowd that compares guns to dogs: Imagine a powerful handgun that would periodically, spontaneously, and unpredictably go off on its own. Would you care if I lived alone in the woods with such a weapon? I doubt it. Now what if I lived in your town and frequently walked around local parks with the thing in a shoulder holster? Would that concern you a little? You oughta practice playing devil's advocate to that line of logic and see if you can point out a few flaws in it. Why might that not be a valid comparison? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/Screenshot_20181101-133033_Photos_jpg-724404.JPG This is all fatal dog attacks since 2008. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724405.JPG One of these things is not like the other. This isn't emotional, hysterical, illogical nonsense. It's hard data. It's fact. Pitbull appologists don't think statistics be like they do, but it is. Do YOU support banning or killing all pitbulls? Do those statistics support the idea of a ban of all pitbulls? Or that they should all be killed? If not, then they are irrelevant to the discussion. I frankly do not care if some stranger's dogs bite other strangers or other dogs. I did not say that the statistics WERE an emotional argument. I said that they are being used to SUPPORT an emotional argument. It generally starts with "I feel". It doesn't start with "here are the numbers".
By your standard, any argument against pitbulls is an emotional argument. By definition, your argument in support of the breed is the emotional argument. You're using your emotions to argue against the published data. I am making the argument that the rhetoric used by those who are calling for a ban of the breed, or calling for the killing of all pit-bulls is an emotional argument. It's undeniable. Show me data proving pitbulls are not the leading cause of death and injury from dogs. For that matter, WHY are YOU seeking and posting statistics to prove to people that pit-bulls are bad? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:54:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGood lord! Would like to know that how tall that man is for comparison though. Could be a really little dude.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:54:44 PM EDT
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That the actual numbers are so low that they're statistically irrelevant. Yes, 3/4 of deaths sounds bad. And then you look at actual numbers, and it's around 30 or less. Out of millions of people dying from this, that, and the other each year, and the millions of pit bulls out there in the country. It's just not a common event. Just like deaths from "assault rifles". If the statistics where more like you describe we wouldn't even have this thread. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:55:47 PM EDT
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Jesus, when are we going to end that fucking breed? Useless fucking animals You do not love dogs if you think a pit is a good dog. Most people who hate pitbulls have never owned one, just like most people who hate guns. ...who should be held responsible for her death? Should the dog be put down? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:57:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Toss your "aggressive/bold" pit in with a Siberian and watch what happens to ghetto dog. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:57:22 PM EDT
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I'm not posting stats to prove pitbulls are "bad". That's a bit too emotional. All those injuries and killings could be a good thing if they were all committed against ISIS cells hiding within our borders instead of against children, old folks, and whomever they happened to be standing next to. Sadly, pitbulls aren't that selective. I'm making the argument that pitbulls are more dangerous than other dog breeds and are more likely to cause death and destruction to people that encounter them. I believe the stats support that argument. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why do all these busybodies spend SO much time worrying about the dogs that other people choose to own? For the crowd that compares guns to dogs: Imagine a powerful handgun that would periodically, spontaneously, and unpredictably go off on its own. Would you care if I lived alone in the woods with such a weapon? I doubt it. Now what if I lived in your town and frequently walked around local parks with the thing in a shoulder holster? Would that concern you a little? You oughta practice playing devil's advocate to that line of logic and see if you can point out a few flaws in it. Why might that not be a valid comparison? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/Screenshot_20181101-133033_Photos_jpg-724404.JPG This is all fatal dog attacks since 2008. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724405.JPG One of these things is not like the other. This isn't emotional, hysterical, illogical nonsense. It's hard data. It's fact. Pitbull appologists don't think statistics be like they do, but it is. Do YOU support banning or killing all pitbulls? Do those statistics support the idea of a ban of all pitbulls? Or that they should all be killed? If not, then they are irrelevant to the discussion. I frankly do not care if some stranger's dogs bite other strangers or other dogs. I did not say that the statistics WERE an emotional argument. I said that they are being used to SUPPORT an emotional argument. It generally starts with "I feel". It doesn't start with "here are the numbers".
By your standard, any argument against pitbulls is an emotional argument. By definition, your argument in support of the breed is the emotional argument. You're using your emotions to argue against the published data. I am making the argument that the rhetoric used by those who are calling for a ban of the breed, or calling for the killing of all pit-bulls is an emotional argument. It's undeniable. Show me data proving pitbulls are not the leading cause of death and injury from dogs. For that matter, WHY are YOU seeking and posting statistics to prove to people that pit-bulls are bad? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 3:59:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:06:10 PM EDT
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If a trained attack dog was taken home by his handler, and then given the command to attack the handler's wife, and she died... ...who should be held responsible for her death? Should the dog be put down? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, when are we going to end that fucking breed? Useless fucking animals You do not love dogs if you think a pit is a good dog. Most people who hate pitbulls have never owned one, just like most people who hate guns. ...who should be held responsible for her death? Should the dog be put down? I'd say in that situation, if the dog was trained to attack on command and the owner gave such a command and the dog followed it and killed someone then, yes, the owner is directly responsible and 1st degree murder is likely appropriate. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a breed of dog that has been consistently bred for it's aggression and fighting prowess (in a sport that is universally banned in this nation) that is suddenly expected to be docile. Yet when it kills or mames someone the owners are inevitably shocked because "he's never done that before." |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:09:57 PM EDT
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Why do all these busybodies spend SO much time worrying about the dogs that other people choose to own? For the crowd that compares guns to dogs: Imagine a powerful handgun that would periodically, spontaneously, and unpredictably go off on its own. Would you care if I lived alone in the woods with such a weapon? I doubt it. Now what if I lived in your town and frequently walked around local parks with the thing in a shoulder holster? Would that concern you a little? You oughta practice playing devil's advocate to that line of logic and see if you can point out a few flaws in it. Why might that not be a valid comparison? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/Screenshot_20181101-133033_Photos_jpg-724404.JPG This is all fatal dog attacks since 2008. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261993/dbrf-20130525_jpg-724405.JPG One of these things is not like the other. This isn't emotional, hysterical, illogical nonsense. It's hard data. It's fact. Pitbull appologists don't think statistics be like they do, but it is. Do YOU support banning or killing all pitbulls? Do those statistics support the idea of a ban of all pitbulls? Or that they should all be killed? If not, then they are irrelevant to the discussion. I frankly do not care if some stranger's dogs bite other strangers or other dogs. I did not say that the statistics WERE an emotional argument. I said that they are being used to SUPPORT an emotional argument. It generally starts with "I feel". It doesn't start with "here are the numbers".
By your standard, any argument against pitbulls is an emotional argument. By definition, your argument in support of the breed is the emotional argument. You're using your emotions to argue against the published data. I am making the argument that the rhetoric used by those who are calling for a ban of the breed, or calling for the killing of all pit-bulls is an emotional argument. It's undeniable. Show me data proving pitbulls are not the leading cause of death and injury from dogs. For that matter, WHY are YOU seeking and posting statistics to prove to people that pit-bulls are bad? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:10:01 PM EDT
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You support a ban of the breed? No shit.
A government enforced ban. Federal? Round them all up and kill them? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:10:45 PM EDT
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Jesus, when are we going to end that fucking breed? Useless fucking animals You do not love dogs if you think a pit is a good dog. Most people who hate pitbulls have never owned one, just like most people who hate guns. ...who should be held responsible for her death? Should the dog be put down? I'd say in that situation, if the dog was trained to attack on command and the owner gave such a command and the dog followed it and killed someone then, yes, the owner is directly responsible and 1st degree murder is likely appropriate. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a breed of dog that has been consistently bred for it's aggression and fighting prowess (in a sport that is universally banned in this nation) that is suddenly expected to be docile. Yet when it kills or mames someone the owners are inevitably shocked because "he's never done that before." |
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Answered above.. I'll repeat my answer: Because of the data, I'm fine with banning them. In light of the facts I think a ban may be appropriate. Why should they not be? Other than dog fighting (which is illegal), what traits to pits possess that other breeds of dogs don't do better and with a better safety record? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:16:02 PM EDT
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WTF kind of debate is this we're having? You asked a question. I answered it directly. I'll repeat my answer: Because of the data, I'm fine with banning them. In light of the facts I think a ban may be appropriate. Why should they not be? Other than dog fighting (which is illegal), what traits to pits possess that other breeds of dogs don't do better and with a better safety record? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Answered above.. I'll repeat my answer: Because of the data, I'm fine with banning them. In light of the facts I think a ban may be appropriate. Why should they not be? Other than dog fighting (which is illegal), what traits to pits possess that other breeds of dogs don't do better and with a better safety record? And should they all be killed? |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:29:55 PM EDT
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In the USA that Pit would never be allowed into another show.
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Answered above.. I'll repeat my answer: Because of the data, I'm fine with banning them. In light of the facts I think a ban may be appropriate. Why should they not be? Other than dog fighting (which is illegal), what traits to pits possess that other breeds of dogs don't do better and with a better safety record? And should they all be killed? 1. Illegalize breeding, sale, or transfer of American pitbull terriers or any dog crossbred with them. 2. All existing pitbulls and pitbull crossbreeds need to be "fixed". I have no doubt this leaves a few complications out like "what if my dog is 1/64th pitbull. That's where knowledgeable breeders opinions count. I couldn't begin to tell ya. But something like this is where I'd start. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 4:42:56 PM EDT
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That the actual numbers are so low that they're statistically irrelevant. Yes, 3/4 of deaths sounds bad. And then you look at actual numbers, and it's around 30 or less. Out of millions of people dying from this, that, and the other each year, and the millions of pit bulls out there in the country. It's just not a common event. Just like deaths from "assault rifles". If the statistics where more like you describe we wouldn't even have this thread. There are millions of dog bites and attacks every year, all in varying degrees of severity from no injury whatsoever to death. By far, the vast majority of them are perpetrated by mutts. Mixed up, muttly, irresponsibly bred mongrels. What’s your point? |
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