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Link Posted: 10/27/2024 6:03:00 PM EST
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And on the flip side. Elon has said that if Trump loses he expects to be put in jail.

Or maybe they will take him to Bohemian Grove and rip out his heart in front of the giant owl statue on a live CNN broadcast because he dared to defy the Satan worshiping weirdos who really run this country?

What sounds better? Cremation of Care or Cremation of Elon.
Link Posted: 10/27/2024 6:05:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hesperus:


These cylinder habitats are going to be very heavily armed to deal with asteroids. Invading one would be quite challenging.
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Even for the Turing Police.

Link Posted: 10/27/2024 7:46:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DarkGray:

While a Trump win may reduce some of the regulatory hurdles, there is a lot of hardware they still have to develop.
-There is a good chance they won't catch a ship for another 6 months which eats up almost a quarter of the time that have left until the Mars launch window.
-Catching the booster was a huge step, but they still have to fix the heating issues on the outer ring of engines.
-The v2 Ship still has to be validated and I wouldn't be surprised if it's heat shield needs refurbishment for several flights after they start catching them.
-Raptor 3 engines will likely take at least one complete launch to validate (curious if they'll be forced to land in the water for the first flight).
-The current tank farm cannot support more than once launch every few days and has to be scaled up significantly.
-They have to build the tanker ship, perfect on orbit refueling procedures and successfully execute it ~12 times for every ship they want to send to Mars. That development can at least be done in parallel with their Artemis commitments.
-The Mars lander ship is at best a hybrid of the Earth and lunar ship versions.  



I am convinced SpaceX can do every one of these, just much less convinced it will be done by Dec 2026.
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They went from Hopper to Starship V2 in 5 years... With Star Factory in full swing, 2 towers (3 if they finish the one at KSC), Raptor 3 testing going full bore, and an exponential learning curve assisted by rapid flight testing, I would not be surprised if SpaceX pulls of a "crash it on Mars" mission in 2 years.

As for catching Starship, that may not be necessary *for the initial Mars mission* if they're OK expending tanker versions; of course the Mars-bound ones we'll never see again.
Link Posted: 10/27/2024 7:47:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine:

Does anyone know if they will try for a full orbit, and for releasing an orbital payload, on any of these missions?  From what you wrote here, 34 is the first possibility, but can 33 do it?
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Originally Posted By Cobalt135:
Ship 31 is likely next for launch on flight 6 and is having it's heat shield reworked I assume to match something close to ship 30 that just launched on booster 12. (tile gap fillers and blankets underneath tiles)

I could see the next flight by Christmas at the speed they progress.

Ship 32 was a v1 design and seems it will not fly.  I don't think this would be the first time a ship design was skipped for a newer design.

Ship 33 is the 1st new v2 starship and it looks like it is complete unless they decide to upgade something but will be used on booster 14 that is stacked in the high bay already.

Ship 33 v2 peek during the last launch coverage....  If I remember correctly V2 ships will have the flaps positoned back closer to the top of the ship during re-entry to reduce the heating they are subjected to and hopefully prevent burn thru as we seen during the last 2 launches.  And witnessed by the bouy footage the v1 ship landed on target with flap damage, so the v2 should be a marked improvement.

And last, Ship 34 is already under construction.  The 2nd v2 design, is being built with a payload dispenser visible (enlongated oval door) at the lower part of this image and is being moved around on site to stack with other ship sections.....

Does anyone know if they will try for a full orbit, and for releasing an orbital payload, on any of these missions?  From what you wrote here, 34 is the first possibility, but can 33 do it?

For the next flight they have FAA approval to fly booster and ship the same flight profile as last time as long as no major changes to hardware (shouldn't be IMO).  This is the quickest ticket to launch.  If they decided to try for a splashdown in lets say the Pacific, not sure how that would effect the timeline for launch.  

They already have success with Booster 12 so it would just be tweaking some software/sensors/and any structural items (changing some weld lines was mentioned) and catching it to add to the data points.  Even though next launch is the last of the V1 the same sort of testing would be expected.

S33 has a payload door.  I have no doubts they will be testing it's function and that of any payload handling equipment that is part of the dispenser that might be inside during the maiden launch.
Not sure what we can speculate with carrying payloads until SpaceX gives a hint.  Especially as long as they are keeping Starship suborbital, which means the payload will need to decay and be able to splash down or burn up without causing issues below.

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Originally Posted By AJE:


I figure 12 is more realistic, and probably another 12 for humans.

There's a lot left to do just to get a Starship to the moon.
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Being able to reliably refuel in orbit is going to be quite an achievement. With that we have the possibility of the moon and deep space robotic Starship missions. That might be enough of a foundation to build the beginning of a multiplanetary civilization.

Depending on the breaks, as Gen. Turgidson famously said.
Link Posted: 10/27/2024 8:42:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AJE:


I figure 12 is more realistic, and probably another 12 for humans.

There's a lot left to do just to get a Starship to the moon.
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Originally Posted By AJE:
Originally Posted By atavistic:
That's a tall order to pull that mission together in 2 years.


I figure 12 is more realistic, and probably another 12 for humans.

There's a lot left to do just to get a Starship to the moon.
We see all these engineering marvels show up at starbase like magic to replace things that failed and ideas that failed. The big sprinkler under the launch mount, for example. That was designed long before the first launch. A lot of this stuff just appears and we don't think about the lead times involved.
I'm betting the missions are already planned and gamed out already. Hell, they might already have crews picked out to go in the second wave and are training them.
Link Posted: 10/28/2024 1:07:20 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Klee:



I can't believe I just might live to see that.

I remember watching the Apollo missions as they happened and i'm way more excited now than I ever was then.
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Originally Posted By Klee:
Originally Posted By David0858:





I can't believe I just might live to see that.

I remember watching the Apollo missions as they happened and i'm way more excited now than I ever was then.


Me too.

I wish my brother could have lived long enough to see this. He lived, breathed and slept, believing we'd get there someday and that the future would be a better place.

Me not so much.
Link Posted: 10/28/2024 2:42:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Andr0id:


Even for the Turing Police.

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Originally Posted By Hesperus:


These cylinder habitats are going to be very heavily armed to deal with asteroids. Invading one would be quite challenging.


Even for the Turing Police.



That all depends on the quality of their ice.
Link Posted: 10/28/2024 3:12:38 AM EST
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Now that they know they can get starship to orbit I can't imagine they will launch too many more that are empty. Starlinks hopefully will be soon though they need to sort all the delivery mechanisms. The original payload slot was super janky.

I am still interested in how they are going to design the big payload door. I doubt they will be able to use the full interior bay like the shuttle unless they really cut a good sized door in the structure. I hope there is a prototype of that soon.
Link Posted: 10/28/2024 7:13:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BigGrumpyBear:


Me too.

I wish my brother could have lived long enough to see this. He lived, breathed and slept, believing we'd get there someday and that the future would be a better place.

Me not so much.
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see my sig line.
rip ur brother. I lost mine a couple of years ago; he'd have loved to see what Musk is doing now.
Link Posted: 10/28/2024 7:38:49 AM EST
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Originally Posted By atavistic:
That's a tall order to pull that mission together in 2 years.
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I'd believe they could send an unmanned mission to Mars in 2 years in the same spirit of prototype testing that they are doing right now here on Earth.  I don't think Elon is going to want to miss a once every 26 months opportunity to test the Starship for a Mars shot and the most recent tower catch gives me more hope of the timeline moving along quickly than I had before that success.

What I would have a super hard time believing is that they'd have a manned mission ready to go 26 months after that first attempt.  It'd something if they even launched a manned mission to Mars by the end of this decade.  There's just so many things they have to invent, design, and build for a Mars mission other than the vehicle itself.
Link Posted: 10/28/2024 10:04:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DarkGray:

While a Trump win may reduce some of the regulatory hurdles, there is a lot of hardware they still have to develop.
-There is a good chance they won't catch a ship for another 6 months which eats up almost a quarter of the time that have left until the Mars launch window.
-Catching the booster was a huge step, but they still have to fix the heating issues on the outer ring of engines.
-The v2 Ship still has to be validated and I wouldn't be surprised if it's heat shield needs refurbishment for several flights after they start catching them.
-Raptor 3 engines will likely take at least one complete launch to validate (curious if they'll be forced to land in the water for the first flight).
-The current tank farm cannot support more than once launch every few days and has to be scaled up significantly.
-They have to build the tanker ship, perfect on orbit refueling procedures and successfully execute it ~12 times for every ship they want to send to Mars. That development can at least be done in parallel with their Artemis commitments.
-The Mars lander ship is at best a hybrid of the Earth and lunar ship versions.  



I am convinced SpaceX can do every one of these, just much less convinced it will be done by Dec 2026.
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Originally Posted By Hadrian:
Originally Posted By atavistic:
That's a tall order to pull that mission together in 2 years.
That depends on the outcome of the election.  With no regulatory interference, I have little doubt that they can do it.

While a Trump win may reduce some of the regulatory hurdles, there is a lot of hardware they still have to develop.
-There is a good chance they won't catch a ship for another 6 months which eats up almost a quarter of the time that have left until the Mars launch window.
-Catching the booster was a huge step, but they still have to fix the heating issues on the outer ring of engines.
-The v2 Ship still has to be validated and I wouldn't be surprised if it's heat shield needs refurbishment for several flights after they start catching them.
-Raptor 3 engines will likely take at least one complete launch to validate (curious if they'll be forced to land in the water for the first flight).
-The current tank farm cannot support more than once launch every few days and has to be scaled up significantly.
-They have to build the tanker ship, perfect on orbit refueling procedures and successfully execute it ~12 times for every ship they want to send to Mars. That development can at least be done in parallel with their Artemis commitments.
-The Mars lander ship is at best a hybrid of the Earth and lunar ship versions.  



I am convinced SpaceX can do every one of these, just much less convinced it will be done by Dec 2026.

I suspect w/ Elon time they're going to either miss that 2 year window or they're going to at most get 1 or two Starships on their way to Mars.  I don't see how they keep that schedule.
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Originally Posted By jhereg:

I suspect w/ Elon time they're going to either miss that 2 year window or they're going to at most get 1 or two Starships on their way to Mars.  I don't see how they keep that schedule.
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You both are acting like these problems can't be worked in parallel.
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You both are acting like these problems can't be worked in parallel.
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Originally Posted By jhereg:

I suspect w/ Elon time they're going to either miss that 2 year window or they're going to at most get 1 or two Starships on their way to Mars.  I don't see how they keep that schedule.



You both are acting like these problems can't be worked in parallel.

I think they're working on a lot of things in parallel.  I've also watched Elon's time scales for things and he's almost always wildly optimistic as to when something will happen.    I admire what he's doing but there's a hard deadline there and I don't think he's going to make it for any mass flight of the Starships to Mars on the next window.   I'd like to be wrong on that, but that's the way I see it.
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Originally Posted By jhereg:

I suspect w/ Elon time they're going to either miss that 2 year window or they're going to at most get 1 or two Starships on their way to Mars.  I don't see how they keep that schedule.
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Okay, here's my question: The "2-year window" is for the most fuel efficient flight; what are the other windows? Must all launches fit this window?
Link Posted: 10/28/2024 2:15:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:

Okay, here's my question: The "2-year window" is for the most fuel efficient flight; what are the other windows? Must all launches fit this window?
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Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:
Originally Posted By jhereg:

I suspect w/ Elon time they're going to either miss that 2 year window or they're going to at most get 1 or two Starships on their way to Mars.  I don't see how they keep that schedule.

Okay, here's my question: The "2-year window" is for the most fuel efficient flight; what are the other windows? Must all launches fit this window?


Nope, but the fuel costs and mission duration make it not worth doing unless you get to something like a Nerva engine (nuclear thermal).
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Originally Posted By DaGoose:


Nope, but the fuel costs make it not worth doing unless you get to something like a Nerva engine (nuclear thermal).
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Originally Posted By DaGoose:
Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:
Originally Posted By jhereg:

I suspect w/ Elon time they're going to either miss that 2 year window or they're going to at most get 1 or two Starships on their way to Mars.  I don't see how they keep that schedule.

Okay, here's my question: The "2-year window" is for the most fuel efficient flight; what are the other windows? Must all launches fit this window?


Nope, but the fuel costs make it not worth doing unless you get to something like a Nerva engine (nuclear thermal).


This is a pretty good site to chart out different paths if you want.

https://trajbrowser.arc.nasa.gov/traj_browser.php
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Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:

Okay, here's my question: The "2-year window" is for the most fuel efficient flight; what are the other windows? Must all launches fit this window?
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The further out of sync the orbits are, the more fuel & time it takes. There are times where the planets are on opposite sides of the sun.
Link Posted: 10/28/2024 5:18:49 PM EST
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I watched The Martian again the other night..

Per Rich Purnell, the fuel requirements are the same.

              RICH
          It's all right. All twenty-five models
          will take four-hundred fourteen days to
          reach Mars. They vary only slightly in
          thrust duration, and the fuel requirement
          is nearly identical.
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Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
I watched The Martian again the other night..

Per Rich Purnell, the fuel requirements are the same.



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Be advised: Rich Purnell is a steely-eyed missile man.
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Be advised: Rich Purnell is a steely-eyed missile man.
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Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
I watched The Martian again the other night..

Per Rich Purnell, the fuel requirements are the same.





Be advised: Rich Purnell is a steely-eyed missile man.

“What?”... “Who the hell is Rich Purnell?”
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Mars can serve as a staging area and processing facility for mining those valuable metals from the asteroids.  That seems the most plausible (currently) economic justification for a base on Mars.  The asteroid belt is out past Mars, so it's a shorter trip than from Earth, and fuel can be made on Mars.  Whether the mined materials end up being used on Mars, sent to Earth, the moon, or some orbital facility, is something we will have to wait and see.
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I'm a bit late, but...


That (the above scheme) is based entirely on a graphical map of the Solar System, with the planets in their orbital lines.  So Mars is nearest the Asteroids....so, logically enough, Mars is a good base for exploiting the Asteroid Belt.


WRONG! CONAN! WHAT IS BE-

Err....where was I?


Yes.  The Solar System doesn't work like that.  Planets, Asteroids, and Comets are all in orbital motion around the Sun (and, in many ways, each other), and "distance" is better judged by Delta-V (the change in velocity it takes to change orbit from, say, LEO to Psyche or Mars or Mercury) and time/duration of passage, along with relative orbital synchronicity.  Not how close a planet's orbital band is.


So, yeah, Mars is no help at all, in exploiting the asteroids.  Especially since the MOST readily-exploited asteroids are NEAs, which aren't Main Belt objects.

You gain nothing (and lose quite a bit) if you are staging asteroid mining (which will be a years-long mission, each time, due to orbital mechanics) out of Mars. If you are dragging extracted material down to Mars to process, you expend ludicrous time & energy doing so.  Anything that needs gravity to process can be done either in spin gravity OR on the Lunar surface (where moving it back into orbit to the end-use point is much, much cheaper-easier than up from Mars).

Other than SCIENCE(!!!), Mars doesn't have much value (at this time).
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I guess (if a Hollywood movie is even remotely correct) that supply missions can be launched whenever - with only a moderate difference in fuel, but manned missions need to be launched at optimal times.  Launching outside of optimal will result in things arriving at roughly the same time anyway.
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The value of mars is you can drop valuable rocks on the surface for convenient processing without killing billions…
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Originally Posted By mousehunter:
I guess (if a Hollywood movie is even remotely correct) that supply missions can be launched whenever - with only a moderate difference in fuel, but manned missions need to be launched at optimal times.  Launching outside of optimal will result in things arriving at roughly the same time anyway.
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Not really. I think with proper pre-planning it can be done.

It makes sense to me, and I could be wrong, but you coordinate whats needed by considering the time of manufacturing X quantity needed, quantity to be manufactured and distance to Mars at time of launch.

You may actually manufacture the last components needed on Mars first, and launching them while Mars is furthest away allowing them to arrive last when they are needed. Or some variation of this theme.
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"What?"... "Who the hell is Rich Purnell?"
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Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
I watched The Martian again the other night..

Per Rich Purnell, the fuel requirements are the same.





Be advised: Rich Purnell is a steely-eyed missile man.

"What?"... "Who the hell is Rich Purnell?"
A movie 'nod' to John Aaron.  
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Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
I watched The Martian again the other night..

Per Rich Purnell, the fuel requirements are the same.



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Originally Posted By JoseCuervo:
I watched The Martian again the other night..

Per Rich Purnell, the fuel requirements are the same.

              RICH
          It's all right. All twenty-five models
          will take four-hundred fourteen days to
          reach Mars. They vary only slightly in
          thrust duration, and the fuel requirement
          is nearly identical.



For a one month window.
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I'm liking those block 2 upper control surfaces...looks to be more leeward and safer from plasma...
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They should replace them with chines large enough that the rear flaps can do the control. That would remove some mechanical components and may offer a solution for the catch points.  
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Even more than that they need relays for when Mars is on the far side of the Sun from Earth.
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There's nothing 'convenient' about processing in an intermediate gravity well.
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There's nothing 'convenient' about processing in an intermediate gravity well.
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The value of mars is you can drop valuable rocks on the surface for convenient processing without killing billions…

There's nothing 'convenient' about processing in an intermediate gravity well.


Need gravity for all known metallurgical processes, gravity is much cheaper when you don’t have to make it yourself.  Mars is low enough gravity and pressure that many unconventional launch options are available that do not work on earth.  I don’t remember if it was about the moon or mars but I remember reading a paper about orbital elevators where they can be built with steel instead of magical carbon nanobullshit like on earth.
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Based moon landing faker gets it:


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Elon is one level headed dude. With the kind of money he controls, he could make a lot of people disappear without a trace.
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Why does this make me want a beer?
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Why does this make me want a beer?

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Need gravity for all known metallurgical processes, gravity is much cheaper when you don’t have to make it yourself.  Mars is low enough gravity and pressure that many unconventional launch options are available that do not work on earth.  I don’t remember if it was about the moon or mars but I remember reading a paper about orbital elevators where they can be built with steel instead of magical carbon nanobullshit like on earth.
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If you want to keep the stuff on mars ok.
If the stuff is intended for anywhere else, spinning mass in space is far cheaper than landing and then reorbitting that mass.
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Originally Posted By Obo2:

If you want to keep the stuff on mars ok.
If the stuff is intended for anywhere else, spinning mass in space is far cheaper than landing and then reorbitting that mass.
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Originally Posted By TX_Critter:


Need gravity for all known metallurgical processes, gravity is much cheaper when you don’t have to make it yourself.  Mars is low enough gravity and pressure that many unconventional launch options are available that do not work on earth.  I don’t remember if it was about the moon or mars but I remember reading a paper about orbital elevators where they can be built with steel instead of magical carbon nanobullshit like on earth.

If you want to keep the stuff on mars ok.
If the stuff is intended for anywhere else, spinning mass in space is far cheaper than landing and then reorbitting that mass.


Citation needed.  Much wiser to rely on technology that actually exists, for now.
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Link Posted: 10/31/2024 11:07:59 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/31/2024 6:23:51 PM EST
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Summary of interview by Spaceflight Now:
@SpaceflightNow has released an interview with the deputy manager for NASA's Human Landing System program which included some new information about Starship:
- Ship to Ship prop transfer campaign planned to start in March 2025
- Ship to Ship prop transfer test planned to be completed over the summer
- NASA is looking for a bi-weekly cadence with only the Boca pads at first and then later getting 39a online
- NASA helped SpaceX test their MMOD (Micro Meteoroids & Orbital Debris) tiles which will be used in space
- NASA helped SpaceX improve cryogenic valves and other internal cryogenic cooling components
- SpaceX uses testing capabilities at Glenn and Marshall and expanded that relationship
- Design update in November, critical design review next year
- Astronauts have a meeting with SpaceX once a month to improve the HLS design
- There are HLS crew cabin, sleeping quarters, and laboratory mock ups at Boca Chica

NASA, SpaceX and Axiom Space make key steps towards Artemis 3 Moon landing
Link Posted: 11/1/2024 12:12:48 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DarkGray:

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The further out of sync the orbits are, the more fuel & time it takes. There are times where the planets are on opposite sides of the sun.
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Originally Posted By FrankSymptoms:

Okay, here's my question: The "2-year window" is for the most fuel efficient flight; what are the other windows? Must all launches fit this window?

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The further out of sync the orbits are, the more fuel & time it takes. There are times where the planets are on opposite sides of the sun.

You could be pretty out of sync and not use terribly much more fuel. It would take a lot longer because you would have to circularize at an orbit either closer or further away than mars depending on if you needed to go faster or slower than mars and then wait for the orbits to sync before changing your orbit. Probably nbd for a cargo mission though circularizing would be pretty expensive delta v.

You could probably combine something like that with multiple gravity assisted burn orbits around earth and possibly a little moon boosting and make some much less than optimal martian transits... That kinda stuff makes a lot more sense going further out when you could boost off of mars and Jupiter to get to Uranus or Saturn.
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