My favorite handgun, hands down.  Highly accurate, and highly accurate at medium range as well.

Just get it.  You won’t regret it.

Anyone know if FN is still doing the mil/le discount?  I bought my FDE FsN pistol for $808 shipped to my FFL a few years ago.

The only thing I didn't like was the position of the safety.  I don't have huge or long fingers and it was tough to manipulate the safety.

I like mine but also on the fence about selling it, mainly because I'm cheap and would rather spend the ammo money on rifle ammo. Having said that, it's the first pistol I regret selling and ended up buying another. So, really I just buy ammo when PSA has it on sale and shoot it once in a while. I stock the red box and really just dont shoot it to preserve it for carry, HD or SHTF. I even have a really nice holster and double mag carrier that makes carrying it very easy plus it's light as hell.

How times have changed.  I remember when I got my IOM back around 2000 or so everyone here was talking about how stupid the gun was, and how stupid the round was...how it was a total waste of money.  Been shooting it for damn near 20 years without a single failure, and  I still love shooting it to this day.

CMMG Guard might be better.

I have one and used it as my bedside gun for a long time until I got something a bit more mainstream with a rail. I love the ergonomics on it. I don't shoot it much anymore but I mainly use it to teach new or inexperienced people to shoot due to it's accuracy, low-recoil, and solid ergonomics. It works particularly well with novice women shooters.

Probably, but I think better deals exist. Their blue label list prices weren't very good but I bought a NIB ps90 for $1050 at a cop shop a couple of years ago maybe distributors get better deals?

They were raided by the ATF years ago. They sued, not sure of the outcome. I remember reading about it when it happened. It was just after I sold my Five seveN IOM.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/08/robert-farago/atf-raid-elite-ammunition-confiscate-armor-piercing-brass-bullets/

I still have a 2000rd FN spam can of SS192.

They dropped the Guard name. It is called the "Banshee" now and is sold in 3 different trim levels, and I would agree. They also look better aesthetically IMO. CMMG rotary delay looks like a great system and platform.

How does it do in an AR15? Or against ceramic armor?

Thanks for the replies, everyone. So it seems like the people who have owned it really enjoy it and especially appreciate its accuracy. I think I am going to keep my eyes open for one at a good price, although since I would prefer a new gun I am likely looking at $1150-1300 range. Gonna hit the local shop and see how the Mk2 feels in my hands, I think the one I shot years ago was a USG. I feel like if anything it is controversial as well and deserves a place in the collection, also the fact that it is like 28oz fully loaded? Crazy.

Think only Olympic chambers an AR-15 in .22-250.

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Have a PS90 SBR and absolutely love the thing.

Have a five-seven handgun and don't like it. If it didn't shoot the same round as my PS90, I'd get rid of it. I have small girlish hands and it's too big for me. I think I'd like the TCM kit for one of my Glocks better if I had a little sbr that shot that round as well. Had a 1911 double stack 9mm/tcm and got rid of it.

The lead free rounds wont cycle mine. Not enough back pressure. I also cant hit shit with it. Ive adjusted my sights all over the damn place but even at 20 yards ill hit paper once out of 5 or 6 rounds. I need to bore sight it to re zero and figure out what the fuck im doing.

That turd that shot up Ft.Hood used a 5.7x28, I understand the results were devastating, massive wounds and blood loss.

Damn, you had to work all the way up to a 50?  Must have been one hell of a deer

22 TCM 5 inch 1911 2,000 fps over a chronograph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUDG609ql80&t=45s

The inventor of the TCM shoots it over a chronograph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PhdRePCKJ8

PS90 with 40 grain ammo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmY4ipS1wk8
Well it appears current lots of TCM are a bit cooler than the 2,100 fps when it first came out so with each gun shooting 40 grain off the shelf factory ammo the TCM pistol is down to equal to the PS90 carbine instead of faster. Oh well.

EA PROTECTOR 40 grain FN pistol, skip to 0:25 for velocity of 1,810 fps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2idqn7FM2bo

TCM bolt action,$400. 40 grain bullet @ 2,800 fps.  PS90, $1,300 40 grain PROTECTOR @ 2,762

22TCM, factory ammo on the shelf $0.36 per round.
EA PROTECTOR pre order custom hand loads, $1.80 per round.

Bulk powder is made and sold by the lot in tons.  The cost to develop a new powder is prohibitively expensive for the small ammo maker. IF there were a single powder suitable to propel a 40 grain bullet to 2,762 out of the 5.7 FN case, FN would buy it by the ship load or license it's production and enhance the balistics of every 5.7 round they make. Armscor would try to buy it too. Every ammo maker that produces small capacity center fire cartridges like the .22 Hornet and .218 Bee would be all over it. None have bought it. Therefore it doesn't exist. Ergo EA PROTECTOR is a duplex or triplex hand load of two or more mystery powders. That is risky.

You can not buy the powder to load your own PROTECTOR.

You can buy the powders to load your own TCM.
http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/load_data_TCM.pdf

Addendum.
Where does one buy FN factory 5.7 bullets for reloading ?

That's Jay's stuff. He gets custom powder for those and loads em as hot as is safe. Not super thrilled about any 5.7 with a ballistic tip though, and 40 gr is too heavy. His T6B is LEGIT though, and then some. I would rather have it than SS190.

SAAMI spec for it is something like 50,000 psi I think. So yea...

How is he calling the dude a liar if he's figuring out how he's doing it?  Duplex and Triplex loads were the original propellant for the .454 Casull.  They are tricky, and would explain how he's getting those velocities.  It's not a recipe for widespread adoption of the cartridge, however.  You've got some on hand, no?  I'll PayPal you $5 to break one open and post good pics of the powder.

I had one.  It was fun to shoot, but ammo was both hard to find, and rather expensive for what it is.  FN restricts the most desirable ammo for military and police.  The closest civilian equivalent ammo is both hard to find, and expensive.  The ammo that remains available is ballistically very similar to a 22 mag round.  The round is famously difficult to reload.

With all these considerations, I decided to get rid of my pistol.  Other than plinking, I really hadn't figured out a viable use for the pistol.  Even as a small game hunting round (squirrels, rats, rabbits etc), there are cheaper rounds that are ballistically similar.

If I were looking for something like that today, I would probably look into the Kel-Tec pistol that holds something like 30 rounds of 22 magnum before I would try the 5.7 again.

If I could easily buy the military/police round, and get the select fire 5.7 bull pup I would probably be all over acquiring both the pistol and carbine.

FWIW, the pistol I had was VERY accurate, and lots of fun to shoot.  It never malfunctioned, but I only fired FN ammo through it.  I owned it for about 2 years before deciding that other things would suit my needs/use parameters more reasonably.

I love my 57. I love hearing the .22 comments though.

Remember how bad it was when the IOM first hit the market?  All you saw on here was how it's an over priced .22mag.  Shitpost after shitpost on that for years....

I sure like mine!  

Interesting.  What does the charge weigh?

If it is indeed a single propellant and not a duplex or triplex load then the mystery powder would bring easy millions in license fees to ammunition manufacturers.

That's nice.

For those may not want factory TCM brass it is cheap and easy to form from any one of the .223 family of cartridges, .223 basic, .17 Remington, .204 Ruger, .221 Fireball, .222 Rem, .222 Rem Mag. .223 Remington, 5.56 NATO, .300 BLK etc.

Or just collect some once fired .223/5.56 cartridge family of empties made by Aguilla, Armscor, Federal, Fiochi, Hornady, Lapua, Norma, PMC, Remington, RWS, S&B, Starline, Winchester,Wolf, Milsurp and so on and so on.

No doubt Freud would have some interesting things to say on this.

Internal ballistics and physics is more plausible than tin foil hat wearing wishful thinking. At no more than 38,000 psi the 22TCM gets 2,000 fps with a 40 grain bullet out of a 5 inch pistol barrel and 2,800 fps out of a 22 inch rifle barrel. The 5.7 has 9% less case capacity and has to operate at 50,000 to 63,817 psi psi to get the velocities is does get with the bullets that factories load in it.  All things considered it takes pre order custom hand loaded ammunition at $1.80 per round for the 5.7 to almost catch up to the TCM at $0.35 per round.


Vendors offering it as such or advertising it doing as such probably shouldn't.

Congress being congress. And water is still wet.

The 23 grain lead free would be nice.

Obviously you did not check the Armscor website two loads.
Factory TCM ammo, bullets brass primers and powder are available retail. And there is the whole form your own brass thing so no need to be dependent on only two manufacturers.

Here's a partial list of handguns that can be converted to 22TCM or TCM9R
TCM: anything with a 7.62 Tokarev, 9mm, .38 Super, 9mm Largo or like breech faces capable of cycling a cartridge 1.265 inch OAL or longer.

TCM9R: anything 9x19mm Parabellum or like breech face capable of cycling a 1.169 inch OAL cartrige.
TCM9R conversion kit for Glocks
TCM9R pistol: MAPP
1911 conversion kit

Rifles that can be converted to 22TCM and TCM9R: anything with .223/5.56, 7.62 Tokarev, 9mm, .38 Super, 9mm Largo or like breech faces.

Add these videos on a SIG TCM conversion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr7KukFcbd0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdT5BD1Q4RU

Any conversion kits for BT GHM9?

OP, if you buy a 5.7x28mm you should be warned.  Whenever you see an discussion on the FN57, PS90, or any gun that uses the 5.7x28mm round you will have to endure the relentless barrage of posters who want to convince the world that it sucks, it does nothing better than a 22 Mag, and apparently now there is the 22 TCM that is going to push the 5.7 into obscurity.  It gets old after a while, but I sure have learned a lot about what the 5.7 is and isn't.  Personally, I like it and although niche, it is a round that I would feel comfortable using to defend my life with.  Both my PS90 and my FN57 are smooth and accurate shooters with minimal recoil which allows fast and accurate follow-up shots.  My only complaint about the PS90 is the trigger pull and the charging handles size.  There are aftermarket solutions to both of these that are easy to implement.  Ammo can be found right now for $.40 a round and has been sold by PSA for $.30 a round in the past so it is not as expensive as it once was.  Also, they guns actually hold their value, so if you decide you don't like it, you can sell it and not lose a bunch of money.  Good luck and report back if you make a purchase.

Does elite ammunition still sell their 5.7 rounds? If I remember correctly, I checked them out a few months ago and they out of stock then, and they're still out of stock now. Just wondering.

This.

No PMR-30 or .22 TCM will fill the void.

I would be very excited if Flux came up with a version of their brace for the Five Seven. I don’t have much desire to have such a brace on a Glock, but on the FN it would transform the thing into a handly little PDW.

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Interesting. Guess I'm gonna have to put a FiveSeven on my list.