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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:24:17 PM EDT
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Whose the member here whose daughter was involved in the case? He was posting updates
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:24:51 PM EDT
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Good.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:30:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:30:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:41:40 PM EDT
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total bullshit. J+J Never told MD's to overprescribe, total fucking horseshit. Most Dr's aren't even visited by reps from narcotic companies. They were prescribing according to tradition learned from the "PDR".The bible that docs use when deciding which and how much of a med to give to patients. It wasn't the everyday average MD causing the issue, it was the fucking crooked fucks(who were usually foreigners, but not always) who sold their souls and the narcotics.J+J did not convince ANYONE to overprescribe. No one told stupid fucks to dissolve it and inject it,snort it or smoke it let alone lie to 10 different dos that they are in pain. IT is corrupt judges on the take from attorneys who came up with this judgment only to split the money they steal from J+J.So I hope no one is happy here because maybe the next time you need aspirin it may not be available because j+J is gone
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:44:13 PM EDT
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:46:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:47:11 PM EDT
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:48:00 PM EDT
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Because a judge telling doctors what to do is a great plan. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:49:33 PM EDT
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Good. Let me guess: "big corporations bad!" |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:50:09 PM EDT
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So what is the real risk of addiction to opioids, 2.6%.... or more?
Seems to be a LOT more https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20161004/risk-of-opioid-addiction-up-37-percent-among-young-us-adults. 3 year old article, would think its even worse now by the increase in death by overdose. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:50:50 PM EDT
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Just wait until they get to OHIO!
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:51:26 PM EDT
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Not good. Terrible decision. Abhorrent. Let me guess: "big corporations bad!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good. Let me guess: "big corporations bad!" Pop the P mags. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:51:39 PM EDT
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:51:53 PM EDT
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I guess the people can buy their pain meds off the street now, it's a bit harder to sue the street corner pill pusher.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:52:19 PM EDT
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Not good. Terrible decision. Abhorrent. Let me guess: "big corporations bad!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good. Let me guess: "big corporations bad!" 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:52:46 PM EDT
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I wonder what the outcry will be when J&J & the other pharma corps just decide to stop manufacturing opioids, to avoid lawsuits & further liablilties?
The spice must flow. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:53:27 PM EDT
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I guess no one knew the history of opium in this world.
This only comes down to attorneys, junkies still going to do their thing. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:53:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:56:30 PM EDT
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Good?
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:56:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/26/2019 6:56:43 PM EDT
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Because a judge telling doctors what to do is a great plan. The only downside of this verdict and the verdicts to come is that no pharma execs with hang in the public squares of places like Wilmington and Terra Haute. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:00:18 PM EDT
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No, no, it's great. Who needs personal responsibility? It's all the manufacturer's fault! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:01:05 PM EDT
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings. You don't know just how true this is. Drs are now covering their asses and patients that are in real pain are being told to take aspirin. Strange how many conservatives we have here till we get to the specifics of personal responsibility. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:01:09 PM EDT
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Because who needs personal responsibility when you've got lawyers, right |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:01:32 PM EDT
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total bullshit. J+J Never told MD's to overprescribe, total fucking horseshit. Most Dr's aren't even visited by reps from narcotic companies. They were prescribing according to tradition learned from the "PDR".The bible that docs use when deciding which and how much of a med to give to patients. It wasn't the everyday average MD causing the issue, it was the fucking crooked fucks(who were usually foreigners, but not always) who sold their souls and the narcotics.J+J did not convince ANYONE to overprescribe. No one told stupid fucks to dissolve it and inject it,snort it or smoke it let alone lie to 10 different dos that they are in pain. IT is corrupt judges on the take from attorneys who came up with this judgment only to split the money they steal from J+J.So I hope no one is happy here because maybe the next time you need aspirin it may not be available because j+J is gone
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:02:19 PM EDT
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Doesn’t this set a president for gun manufacturers.? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good. Let me guess: "big corporations bad!" Has nothing in common with guns. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:03:53 PM EDT
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When the doctor you trust prescribes you an addictive chemical exactly who is responsible? When, in the depths of the opioid crisis, Congesscritters change the law to make it harder to shut down the companies churning out the drugs exactly who is responsible? When DEA officials, who should be prosecuting the drug companies but are angling for better-paying jobs lobbying for them, fail to prosecute crimes exactly who is responsible? And prosecute them for making a lawful product because someone misuses it? That’s a great idea to hear suggested on a gun board. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:04:49 PM EDT
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I was at the Dr today and 4 reps from 3 narco companies were in the lobby with me. One was bitching about having to turn in his company car (Equinox) with 17,000 miles on it. Another was complaining about a delay in his TSA precheck delay. Dude flew all the way to Alabama. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:05:55 PM EDT
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Because a judge telling doctors what to do is a great plan. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:05:57 PM EDT
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Yeah, I'm not on board with holding companies who produce legal products being held accountable for end users use of said product. There is indeed a problem, but that isn't the fix.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:06:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have been told, by someone who knows about these things, that a lot of the doctors working the on-line pharmacy and road-side pain management clinics were doctors that had lost their licenses in other states for things like sexual misconduct with patients and selling scrip pads and stuff like that. The only downside of this verdict and the verdicts to come is that no pharma execs with hang in the public squares of places like Wilmington and Terra Haute. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:07:07 PM EDT
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And IMO it will also just make Drs. not want to prescribe the proper medicine for folks that actually need pain relief. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:07:41 PM EDT
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Jesus, what a bunch of bullshit.
Like no one knew the "risks of addiction to opioids?" What is this? 1900? WTF?
The doctors didn't know? The patients didn't know? This is no different than suing gun manufacturers because some asshole shot someone. I hope they appeal and win. You know, there are evils everywhere. And even if the salesmen said "our opioids are non-addictive," the doctors know it's bullshit and any patient with half a brain knows it's bullshit. Would you believe it if someone told you water is dry? |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:09:10 PM EDT
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It's already happening. Metastatic cancer patients are going without because Docs are not prescribing and those who do prescribe are running into pharmacists who refuse to fill the Rx. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And IMO it will also just make Drs. not want to prescribe the proper medicine for folks that actually need pain relief. 
People in pain can get really pissed. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:10:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the doctor you trust prescribes you an addictive chemical exactly who is responsible? When, in the depths of the opioid crisis, Congesscritters change the law to make it harder to shut down the companies churning out the drugs exactly who is responsible? When DEA officials, who should be prosecuting the drug companies but are angling for better-paying jobs lobbying for them, fail to prosecute crimes exactly who is responsible? The opiate "crisis" was manufactured BY the very same politicians and lawyers who now are bemoaning it. Remember, "pain is the 5th vital sign! OMG! Meanie doctors are leaving people in PAIN! Sue them! Regulate them!" |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:11:40 PM EDT
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When the old folks revolt it's going to be a bloodbath.
People in pain can get really pissed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And IMO it will also just make Drs. not want to prescribe the proper medicine for folks that actually need pain relief.
People in pain can get really pissed. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:12:28 PM EDT
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And make pain management meds tougher for the people that actually need them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This will just cause the rest of their medication prices to go up. We are always looking for someone else to blame for our personal failings. Druggies gonna seek drugs no matter what, just like gun control though, its the legal decent people who will get fucked because excuses are made for peoples shitty behavior. Everyone has a disease now, even 600lb land whales. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:12:49 PM EDT
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No worries, avoiding to commercials I saw, opioid patients are too constipated to enjoy daily life so they'll just sit at home and bitch about it. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And IMO it will also just make Drs. not want to prescribe the proper medicine for folks that actually need pain relief.
People in pain can get really pissed. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:13:56 PM EDT
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Well that is not good... I guess I should sue the maker of Oreo for making me like and eat Oreos so much.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:14:40 PM EDT
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What crimes, pray tell? The opiate "crisis" was manufactured BY the very same politicians and lawyers who now are bemoaning it. Remember, "pain is the 5th vital sign! OMG! Meanie doctors are leaving people in PAIN! Sue them! Regulate them!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: When the doctor you trust prescribes you an addictive chemical exactly who is responsible? When, in the depths of the opioid crisis, Congesscritters change the law to make it harder to shut down the companies churning out the drugs exactly who is responsible? When DEA officials, who should be prosecuting the drug companies but are angling for better-paying jobs lobbying for them, fail to prosecute crimes exactly who is responsible? The opiate "crisis" was manufactured BY the very same politicians and lawyers who now are bemoaning it. Remember, "pain is the 5th vital sign! OMG! Meanie doctors are leaving people in PAIN! Sue them! Regulate them!" Die in pain or die from fear. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:15:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When the old folks revolt it's going to be a bloodbath.
People in pain can get really pissed. 
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:16:10 PM EDT
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What crimes, pray tell? The opiate "crisis" was manufactured BY the very same politicians and lawyers who now are bemoaning it. Remember, "pain is the 5th vital sign! OMG! Meanie doctors are leaving people in PAIN! Sue them! Regulate them!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: When the doctor you trust prescribes you an addictive chemical exactly who is responsible? When, in the depths of the opioid crisis, Congesscritters change the law to make it harder to shut down the companies churning out the drugs exactly who is responsible? When DEA officials, who should be prosecuting the drug companies but are angling for better-paying jobs lobbying for them, fail to prosecute crimes exactly who is responsible? The opiate "crisis" was manufactured BY the very same politicians and lawyers who now are bemoaning it. Remember, "pain is the 5th vital sign! OMG! Meanie doctors are leaving people in PAIN! Sue them! Regulate them!" But, to answer your question: The drug execs knew the shit was addictive and deadly so they lobbied Congress and the president for the Ensuring Patient Access and Effective Drug Enforcement Act, which was signed into law by President Barack Obama in April 2016. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:17:46 PM EDT
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total bullshit. J+J Never told MD's to overprescribe, total fucking horseshit. Most Dr's aren't even visited by reps from narcotic companies. They were prescribing according to tradition learned from the "PDR".The bible that docs use when deciding which and how much of a med to give to patients. It wasn't the everyday average MD causing the issue, it was the fucking crooked fucks(who were usually foreigners, but not always) who sold their souls and the narcotics.J+J did not convince ANYONE to overprescribe. No one told stupid fucks to dissolve it and inject it,snort it or smoke it let alone lie to 10 different dos that they are in pain. IT is corrupt judges on the take from attorneys who came up with this judgment only to split the money they steal from J+J.So I hope no one is happy here because maybe the next time you need aspirin it may not be available because j+J is gone This is a good ruling |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:18:59 PM EDT
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total bullshit. J+J Never told MD's to overprescribe, total fucking horseshit. Most Dr's aren't even visited by reps from narcotic companies. They were prescribing according to tradition learned from the "PDR".The bible that docs use when deciding which and how much of a med to give to patients. It wasn't the everyday average MD causing the issue, it was the fucking crooked fucks(who were usually foreigners, but not always) who sold their souls and the narcotics.J+J did not convince ANYONE to overprescribe. No one told stupid fucks to dissolve it and inject it,snort it or smoke it let alone lie to 10 different dos that they are in pain. IT is corrupt judges on the take from attorneys who came up with this judgment only to split the money they steal from J+J.So I hope no one is happy here because maybe the next time you need aspirin it may not be available because j+J is gone But, muh patent expiration... (Background: My dad was a clinical research chemist for a large Pharma Co. He had A VERY popular anti-depressant taken away from him when he wouldn’t falsify the results. It went to market...) I put NOTHING past the pharmaceutical companies and .gov. TC |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:19:05 PM EDT
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People in pain can get really pissed.
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:19:05 PM EDT
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It's already happening. Metastatic cancer patients are going without because Docs are not prescribing and those who do prescribe are running into pharmacists who refuse to fill the Rx. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:19:43 PM EDT
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You sort of proved my point. How is it the patient's "personal responsibility" to remain free of addiction when the government is forcing doctors to prescribe pain killers? But, to answer your question: Ensuring Patient Access and Effective Drug Enforcement Act, signed into law by President Barack Obama in April 2016. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:20:02 PM EDT
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I’m fairly sure the drug facts sheets for these meds state they are addictive and what to look for. And prosecute them for making a lawful product because someone misuses it? That’s a great idea to hear suggested on a gun board. |
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Posted: 8/26/2019 7:22:53 PM EDT
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MiraLAX solves that problem easily. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And IMO it will also just make Drs. not want to prescribe the proper medicine for folks that actually need pain relief.
People in pain can get really pissed. Kharn Kharn |
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