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He talks about the pin heads at Fake News CNN also, are they his opponents? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Holy shit is that a chilling photo.
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Romney's former CIA adviser is now on the BOD of Burisma Holdings, it's looking like team Never Trump is corrupt as fuck, just like their establishment democrat friends and the Biden family. Trump is threatening some really big money, should have pulled those security clearances, and not trusted the GOPe. Joseph Cofer Black was in charge of tracking al-Qaeda from 1998 to 2001, after they attacked us he was promoted by GWB ![]() ![]() View Quote Bongino laid it all out on his podcast/youtube today. |
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Except that one gets impeached for 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors' not for politics View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Is he being impeached? I thought Pelosi said that they are continuing the investigation that has been ongoing since he was elected. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Trump is threatening BIG MONEY looking into Ukraine.
I bet they have been sweating him looking that direction and had a plan to bring it all down once he did. |
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No, and no one is making the claim that the transcript by itself is the onus for the investigation against Trump View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Why would one just focus on the transcript? Impeachment was declared prior to Pelosi seeing the transcript. Therefore, it doesn't matter what he said because impeachment was already a conclusion with the Democrats. Now that the transcript doesn't contain what they claimed, the must come up with another reason. |
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Consider that a lesson in impeachment.
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Moving the goal post Impeachment was declared prior to Pelosi seeing the transcript. Therefore, it doesn't matter what he said because impeachment was already a conclusion with the Democrats. Now that the transcript doesn't contain what they claimed, the must come up with another reason. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not a fucking thing.
Except for asking for help looking into Crowdstrike (a Ukrainian company) that for some mysterious reason has the DNC servers that they claim were hacked but that the DNC wouldn't allow the Feebs to look at. |
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Because the whole non-whistleblower nonsense is 2nd or 3rd hand information compiled with media reports (sounds familiar huh?) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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So klinton, Biden, and the whole gang can commit all types of crimes all around the globe but as soon as Trump mentions that "someone should look into it" he becomes the Bond villain?
I could start to understand if Trump was demanding that a Trump Hotel be built in Kiev or that one of his kids gets a 50K per month job sitting on a Ukrainian gas co. board but pointing out that there was corruption and possible crimes and asking foreign leaders to cooperate with our Justice dept? What if Trump was on tape boasting like an arrogant ass about having a prosecutor (investigating him or his family) removed from office like creepy Joe? |
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It's not what he said, it's what he didn't say. He didn't say the things that they said he said, nor did he say the things that they wanted him to say. And that pisses them off no end. HOW DARE HE not act like the person they are trying to convince people he is???
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So klinton, Biden, and the whole gang can commit all types of crimes all around the globe but as soon as Trump mentions that "someone should look into it" he becomes the Bond villain? I could start to understand if Trump was demanding that a Trump Hotel be built in Kiev or that one of his kids gets a 50K per month job sitting on a Ukrainian gas co. board but pointing out that there was corruption and possible crimes and asking foreign leaders to cooperate with our Justice dept? What if Trump was on tape boasting like an arrogant ass about having a prosecutor (investigating him or his family) removed from office like creepy Joe? View Quote |
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Someone made up that 2 whores pissed on a bed.
Oh wait! Someone made up that Trump said he would withhold foreign aid if they did not investigate Biden’s criminal activity. |
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What law? He asked a foreign head of state to look into how a foreign investigation was closed out. Why are you so hung up on a foreign corruption investigation? View Quote How did Biden manage to get that shut down again? |
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How the fuck is that moving the goalpost? If you are going to misapply logical fallacies then at least try to make your own argument somewhat consistent. Pelosi didn't have the full text prior to their opening up the impeachment inquiry, but she knew the gist of the complaint. That being said, what Pelosi knew and when she knew it doesn't change the withholding of aid and the favor asked the in transcript. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Why would one just focus on the transcript? Impeachment was declared prior to Pelosi seeing the transcript. Therefore, it doesn't matter what he said because impeachment was already a conclusion with the Democrats. Now that the transcript doesn't contain what they claimed, the must come up with another reason. Pelosi didn't have the full text prior to their opening up the impeachment inquiry, but she knew the gist of the complaint. That being said, what Pelosi knew and when she knew it doesn't change the withholding of aid and the favor asked the in transcript. What favor did trump request and how was it related to the aid? |
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The outcome will be the same if the dims actually adopt the articles and send it to the senate, that is if the senate even takes it up View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Campaign contributions ?????? Looking into why an investigation was shut down, illegally mind you, doesn't constitute a campaign contribution View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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So justice is now a non tangible campaign contribution? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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You just conflated political with legal. You get to choose only one. [If you do not understand the difference between the two, seek elucidation via Black’s Law Dictionary.] View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Exactly, and there is a legally prescribed way to go about that. [If you do not understand the difference between the two, seek elucidation via Black’s Law Dictionary.] ![]() No, there is a legal way of investigating political corruption by a past elected official that would not potentially run afoul of campaign finance law. Perhaps you should seek some education on the matter. |
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im not a trump fan... however, this is what i think is going on (other things too prolly). ever been nauseated to the point that you want to throw up but it doesnt happen because its just right and the edge, so you suffer and eventually sort of force yourself the throw up, just to get it over with? thats whats going on with the dems, they want to impeach trump so bad they cant stand it (or try to impeach) regardless if they can actually get it done, which they cant. so finally with this last issue, pelosi has given up the ghost and gone all in because there is so much pressure from the left, its impossible to forego, even though is is likely to damage the dems as much or more than trump. and i think there is also a plan to kill two birds with one stone, as in knock uncle joe off is perch. the problem is who will replace him? warren? the money boys dont want her so who does that leave? there are no decent candidates in the mass of idiots in the dem group. the 2020 election, if the current usual suspects are the ones that end up running, is gonna be a bloody messy knock-down all out brawl. View Quote The bat shit crazy left is pushing an agenda no rational democrat, who wants the party to be representative of the citizenry, will support. That includes donors. But more importantly it includes a big chunk of citizenry who might consider themselves democrats. Pelosi lost control. |
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We were promised Trump threatening to withhold aid unless biden was investigated.
Now what do we have. One can construe a connection between withholding aid and the call. ![]() What was the favor Trump asked for and how did it relate to aid? |
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He is exposing Deep State corruption in Ukraine.
Legality of Trump's actions is irrelevent to the corrupt plotters. The "whistleblower" is reportedly from the CIA. |
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It's all about the sound bites and what each team believes will move the needle for power next year.
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Quoted: This has been widely reported. Aid was help up on the direction of Trump before the call, the request by Trump was made during the all, and after the call the aid was release in part. Whether or not the quid pro quo argument is convincing is a separate question on whether not not there is the specter of quid pro quo. View Quote Regarding aid more directly, unless a document has been produced that connects it to the meeting, that is baseless innuendo. To the thread's question then, there are no solid grounds for impeachment to be built upon at the moment, and the Ukraine topic isn't changing that. This is also likely why they appear to be shifting away from this topic of Ukraine and onto taxes for the next news cycle. |
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Quoted: How the fuck is that moving the goalpost? If you are going to misapply logical fallacies then at least try to make your own argument somewhat consistent. Pelosi didn't have the full text prior to their opening up the impeachment inquiry, but she knew the gist of the complaint. That being said, what Pelosi knew and when she knew it doesn't change the withholding of aid and the favor asked the in transcript. View Quote |
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Exactly, and there is a legally prescribed way to go about that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yeah except the DoJ has already stated that what he asked for has no value to his campaign. Stop buying what a low level NJ judge (Napolitano) tells you. He is always wrong ![]() The DOJ is part of the executive branch, which has an explicit bias, which is why how they handled it is a point of inquiry. As to the relative value such an investigation by Ukraine has, there is little doubt that such an investigation would be quite valuable to Trump, given that he has already used those allegations against Biden. This is a political question now, and the standards for impeachment are not the same a criminal complaint. Just so happens, one of Biden's accomplishments was to get a prosecutor fired for investigating his son. Let's find out. POTUS stated that Bill Barr, head of the DOJ and top prosecutor will be contacting the Ukrainian counterparts. Sounds like how it should be done as Barr will involve the appropriate people. |
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