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Union shop guys make more than most managers and engineers. So there is that.
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Quoted: That is a fucking retarded way to cook burgers automated. Pizza ovens with conveyers already exist, which is far closer to how a automated burger patty cooker should look like. A conveyer is far cheaper than a 3-axis robot, and no safety cage needed either just simple guards. Getting the frozen patty out of the freezer and onto the conveyer is probably harder but the grill method has the same issue.. When I waited tables the oven was faster than the cooks could throw toppings on pizzas, and almost faster than people could cut and box. Burger patties in a pizza oven would probably cook more patties than you could put in a sack manually. I think you could do a burger box and drop in a sack or meal box automated. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: That is a fucking retarded way to cook burgers automated. Pizza ovens with conveyers already exist, which is far closer to how a automated burger patty cooker should look like. A conveyer is far cheaper than a 3-axis robot, and no safety cage needed either just simple guards. Getting the frozen patty out of the freezer and onto the conveyer is probably harder but the grill method has the same issue.. When I waited tables the oven was faster than the cooks could throw toppings on pizzas, and almost faster than people could cut and box. Burger patties in a pizza oven would probably cook more patties than you could put in a sack manually. I think you could do a burger box and drop in a sack or meal box automated. It is always about the sizzle not the steak. Do you think people would come to your restaurant to see an employee place burgers on a conveyer belt?? People would bring their children into a restaurant to see the “robot chef”. Not to mention robots don’t get COVID. Not really “fucking retarded” when you look at it from a different view. Just another option. |
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At that point, continuing to work in a high stress engineering job full of ambiguity and bleak future prospects (it's energy related) won't compare favorably to taking a minimum wage job with few responsibilities and a well defined set of expectations.
I'll be damned if I'll continue to stress myself out trying to keep the motor of the world running. |
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First they came for the textile industry because of cheaper labor elsewhere.
Then they came for manufacturing. Then they came for everything else. |
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The minimum wage artificial sets the minimum level of competency required for a job. The government is tampering with the the balance causing labor costs to rise which businesses will pass through penny-for-penny to the customers.
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I thought the rich company owners and executives were just gunna take that extra money out of their own pockets to pay the higher wages.
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Quoted: I thought the rich company owners and executives were just gunna take that extra money out of their own pockets to pay the higher wages. View Quote They weren't? Well, I guess we'll just have to tax them more, or just set a 100% tax rate for corporate profits. That'll make sure the little guys get that money back. |
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Some people don't think wage compression be like it is. But it do.
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Quoted: The minimum wage artificial sets the minimum level of competency required for a job. The government is tampering with the the balance causing labor costs to rise which businesses will pass through penny-for-penny to the customers. View Quote Yes, they will pass the increased costs of doing business on to the customer/consumer/end users, subject to competitive forces in the marketplace. And yes, you (and everyone else) is correct, that when you compensate labor at a higher rate than the actual market value of said labor without the presence of artificial government controls, all you do is create inflation. The only qualifier here - depending on competitive forces, it may not be possible or feasible to pass all of the increased costs of doing business on to the consumer. In that case, it is the investor who will take it in the shorts, through reduced profits and ROI. And ultimately, it may (and likely WILL) cause companies that operate on very narrow margins to go under completely, and thus - PRESTO! - our Democrat and socialist friends will have destroyed jobs. Likely, the net effect of all of this heavy handed socialism will be to accelerate the drive towards AI even faster. Our socialist friends are incentivizing companies to find ways to replace costly and liability prone human workers as fast as possible, wherever and however possible. Thanks to the socialist agenda, "getting rid of humans" is going to be an urgent priority for companies that want to remain profitable. I have said it repeatedly on here over the past 2 years and I will say it again now: What we are headed towards is Neo Feudalism, and the not too distant, dystopian future is going to resemble a high tech version of the 12th Century. The middle class in this country is in big trouble, going forward, and will shrink and possibly disappear. AI is going to drive a lot of this, as engineers, doctors, lawyers, and a host of other professions see some if not all of their work being made obsolete. What you will end up with is an enormous wage and tax slave class of peasants, ruled over by a thoroughly corrupt oligarchy at the top. |
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Quoted: Yes, they will pass the increased costs of doing business on to the customer/consumer/end users, subject to competitive forces in the marketplace. And yes, you (and everyone else) is correct, that when you compensate labor at a higher rate than the actual market value of said labor without the presence of artificial government controls, all you do is create inflation. The only qualifier here - depending on competitive forces, it may not be possible or feasible to pass all of the increased costs of doing business on to the consumer. In that case, it is the investor who will take it in the shorts, through reduced profits and ROI. And ultimately, it may (and likely WILL) cause companies that operate on very narrow margins to go under completely, and thus - PRESTO! - our Democrat and socialist friends will have destroyed jobs. Likely, the net effect of all of this heavy handed socialism will be to accelerate the drive towards AI even faster. Our socialist friends are incentivizing companies to find ways to replace costly and liability prone human workers as fast as possible, wherever and however possible. Thanks to the socialist agenda, "getting rid of humans" is going to be an urgent priority for companies that want to remain profitable. I have said it repeatedly on here over the past 2 years and I will say it again now: What we are headed towards is Neo Feudalism, and the not too distant, dystopian future is going to resemble a high tech version of the 12th Century. The middle class in this country is in big trouble, going forward, and will shrink and possibly disappear. AI is going to drive a lot of this, as engineers, doctors, lawyers, and a host of other professions see some if not all of their work being made obsolete. What you will end up with is an enormous wage and tax slave class of peasants, ruled over by a thoroughly corrupt oligarchy at the top. View Quote Do I get to keep the deed to my house? |
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Quoted: Have a peek out from under that rock sometime. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes This. I cannot feed my 2 kids and me at Wendys or ChikFilA for less than $50. That's 3 burgers (son eats 2), 1 pack of chicken nuggets, 3 fries, and 3 drinks. |
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Quoted: You do realize that 2-3x minimum wage is 40% of the jobs out there? ETA you sound like someone that doesn't understand minimum wage. It is not a living wage. It is the legal minimum you can pay someone to work. Think about that. That is what you pay someone doing the minimum to not get fired and stay employed. So calling off as often as possible, doing the shittiest work with the least amount of effort. Basically a warm body to mostly show up. I belive that most making minimum wage are still over paid. I've never in my 24 years of working seen people making minimum wage that didn't deserve it. I've only ever made minimum wage for 9 months my entire life. Work hard and look to move up or stay there and suck at life. I firmly believe you make what your worth. There are times when life is going to kick your teeth in and you have to start over but there is no reason you can't work your way back up and do better. View Quote Regardless, there are two groups of people who believe it should be a living wage: 1. the people who lack the vision to see themselves ever doing better than minimum wage. 2. the liberals who believe those people are doomed to minimum wage forever because Look How Black And Poor They Are, or Capitalism Sucks, etc. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It will destroy restaurants first. Then everything will cost more. I would think it would be instantaneously noticed. We would probably stop going out to eat at that point In before $20 hamburgers at 5 Guys. Try BurgerFI sometime. A basic burger is over $8, add $1.50 to that if you want a fucking slice of 10-cent cheese. WTF... |
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Quoted: He attempted to take the high ground and ask me if I’d rather hire the 60 year old who “can’t afford” private insurance who “deserves a living wage” or the young “unreliable, selfish twenty year old” if I owned a fast food restaurant. View Quote Jesus, the amount of "fuck the young-uns, Gibs Me Dat" baked into his statement is breath-takingly arrogant. |
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Quoted: Jeezuz, I could tit fuck Salma Hayek all damn day long.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Republicans are missing an opportunity here to raise the minimum wage in a way that harms blue states. Just set a federal minimum wage and use state/county/MSA cost of living adjustments (including housing and gas prices) to adjust the amount. So the federal minimum wage rises to $10/hr in the rural south and $28/hr in coastal progressive cities. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84914/AccurateSlimBlackfish-size_restricted-1224606.gif Jeezuz, I could tit fuck Salma Hayek all damn day long.... for $15/hour? it's-your-funeral.jpg |
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Quoted: Why is everyone so concerned with whether they're making 2x as much as the next guy down instead of asking why they're only making 1/600th of the guy at the top? Or look at what your labor generates for the company profit wise and ask if you're being fairly compensated for that? If you don't feel like you're being fairly compensated then surely your beef should be with the wmguy who makes your salary in 5 minutes, not the guy who makes your salary in 14 months instead of 12, right? As for price increases, the math's already been done. Here's the Motley Fool, which I'm sure will shortly be called communist: https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/06/08/what-will-a-higher-minimum-wage-cost-you-at-mcdona.aspx The worst case is a 27% increase in prices resulting from an increase to $15/hr. And while that is not nothing, that does assume an overnight increase and doesn't tell you anything about what gets done with that money. Specifically, the people earning it go spend it on goods and services or oh baby maybe they finally have enough to invest. That's economic growth. That's literally a rising tide lifting all boats, it just lifts the smaller boats more relative to the larger ones. View Quote Rarely do we see a communist out himself in GD, yet here we are. |
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Quoted: Florida didn't need Biden. It passed on its own. The same people that voted for Trump and the Republican Supermajority voted for $15 Minimum Wage. View Quote I disagree, you could have all the Biden voters vote for $15 MW and some Trump/3rd-party/NOTA voters vote for $15 MW and thus it passed. |
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Quoted: Fast food pricing, etc has already increased noticeably in Florida View Quote Yep. So has the pricing at various restaurants. Here's just one example: two months ago I took my 2 kids to the local Brooklyn-style pizza place, fairly good thin-crust pizzas, but not outstanding. Thin-crust, so an entire pizza isn't really that much food, a 12yo girl can eat an entire 10" pizza and not be full. Their prices have gone nuts compared to 1 year ago. From checking their online menu just now: --$14 for a 10" one-person pizza. --$18-20 for a 14" pizza that a normal adult could finish at one sitting. --$22-25 for an 18" pizza that could feed two adults or one hungry teenage boy (ask me how I know). At those price points, it's too expensive for a quick "hey, lets go grab food somewhere" but not tasty enough for "let's plan on a nice go-out-to-dinner evening at a restaurant." That loses our repeat business, and from talking with people in my AO it appears many customers have cut way back on eating there. |
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The "worst" that could happen is a 27% increase in goods and services?
That's pretty fucking bad if you ask me. Guess it doesn't matter, there's going to be a lot of people bankrupt because of this. This is going to squeeze everyone. Do you think the guys making $40k a year or $60k a year can absorbed those kinds of increases? Bankruptcies for everyone! |
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Quoted: Cut out the fry and large drink. Put a case of bottled water in the vehicle. $1-$2 for the 'value menu' sandwich price. ~$3 for the 2 sandwiches and the water. Literally lunch every day for a month for $90, if those fools could budget... but they can't even put a case of water in their vehicle. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just posted about this in another thread. I must have been out of the loop too but a few days ago I went to McDonald's. $25 for 2 meals! What the actual fuck. When did that happen? Not happening again that's for sure. Learn to use the 1/2/3 dollar menu. Two, $1 burgers or McChickens, a medium fry ($2.29) and a large drink ($1). Under $6 for a quick meal... Cut out the fry and large drink. Put a case of bottled water in the vehicle. $1-$2 for the 'value menu' sandwich price. ~$3 for the 2 sandwiches and the water. Literally lunch every day for a month for $90, if those fools could budget... but they can't even put a case of water in their vehicle. you guys are completely missing his point about inflation.... |
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Quoted: Rarely do we see a communist out himself in GD, yet here we are. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Why is everyone so concerned with whether they're making 2x as much as the next guy down instead of asking why they're only making 1/600th of the guy at the top? Or look at what your labor generates for the company profit wise and ask if you're being fairly compensated for that? If you don't feel like you're being fairly compensated then surely your beef should be with the wmguy who makes your salary in 5 minutes, not the guy who makes your salary in 14 months instead of 12, right? As for price increases, the math's already been done. Here's the Motley Fool, which I'm sure will shortly be called communist: https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/06/08/what-will-a-higher-minimum-wage-cost-you-at-mcdona.aspx The worst case is a 27% increase in prices resulting from an increase to $15/hr. And while that is not nothing, that does assume an overnight increase and doesn't tell you anything about what gets done with that money. Specifically, the people earning it go spend it on goods and services or oh baby maybe they finally have enough to invest. That's economic growth. That's literally a rising tide lifting all boats, it just lifts the smaller boats more relative to the larger ones. Rarely do we see a communist out himself in GD, yet here we are. That 27% increase from labor doesn't take into account the 27% increase in cost of product to make the burgers, or transport it. In reality it's more like an avalanche (insignificant at the top, catastrophic at the bottom). |
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Quoted: Yep. So has the pricing at various restaurants. Here's just one example: two months ago I took my 2 kids to the local Brooklyn-style pizza place, fairly good thin-crust pizzas, but not outstanding. Thin-crust, so an entire pizza isn't really that much food, a 12yo girl can eat an entire 10" pizza and not be full. Their prices have gone nuts compared to 1 year ago. From checking their online menu just now: --$14 for a 10" one-person pizza. --$18-20 for a 14" pizza that a normal adult could finish at one sitting. --$22-25 for an 18" pizza that could feed two adults or one hungry teenage boy (ask me how I know). At those price points, it's too expensive for a quick "hey, lets go grab food somewhere" but not tasty enough for "let's plan on a nice go-out-to-dinner evening at a restaurant." That loses our repeat business, and from talking with people in my AO it appears many customers have cut way back on eating there. View Quote Since the FL min wage is only $8.65, it's probably Covid related cost increases |
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Quoted: Since the FL min wage is only $8.65, it's probably Covid related cost increases View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yep. So has the pricing at various restaurants. Here's just one example: two months ago I took my 2 kids to the local Brooklyn-style pizza place, fairly good thin-crust pizzas, but not outstanding. Thin-crust, so an entire pizza isn't really that much food, a 12yo girl can eat an entire 10" pizza and not be full. Their prices have gone nuts compared to 1 year ago. From checking their online menu just now: --$14 for a 10" one-person pizza. --$18-20 for a 14" pizza that a normal adult could finish at one sitting. --$22-25 for an 18" pizza that could feed two adults or one hungry teenage boy (ask me how I know). At those price points, it's too expensive for a quick "hey, lets go grab food somewhere" but not tasty enough for "let's plan on a nice go-out-to-dinner evening at a restaurant." That loses our repeat business, and from talking with people in my AO it appears many customers have cut way back on eating there. Since the FL min wage is only $8.65, it's probably Covid related cost increases Quite possibly. But now imagine what happens to these existing prices if a Federal $15/hr min wage passes. |
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My first job at 16 was bagging groceries. I got hired at $7.25/hr when minimum was $7 or just under. A few months later minimum wage went up and I stayed the same, it was from an early age that I realized minimum wage just screws you.
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Quoted: Me too. A sudden 33% increase in minimum wage becomes a 33% decrease in the buying power for the doctors, engineers, lawyers and every other high earner that has put in the time, effort and years of education and experience to get where they are View Quote Fuck the doctors, lawyers, CEO’s and middle-upper managers. They’ll feel it, it’ll cut their vacation budget in half or obliterate it, but this min wage hike won’t bend them over and fuck them raw like it will the blue collar workers and middle class. Tradesmen and various other skilled trades, ranging from mechanics to police and others at this income level will be hit the hardest. Dudes making $25 to $30 an hour will go from being able to support their family by themselves to needing a second income to keep from going under. In southern VA, a 10 year electrician, plumber, or ductman Pulls anywhere from $20 to $30 an hour. Going from over double minimum wage to only a few bucks over it will be enough to fuck them over. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/84914/AccurateSlimBlackfish-size_restricted-1224606.gif View Quote She is a work of art. |
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The only real answer to $15/hour minimum wage is to remind all the general riff raff that there is no minimum wage. The true minimum wage is zero. It's called being unemployed, and no one can force you employ losers. Automation, cut hours, lay offs, and a smaller staff is the only way to compensate for a forced wage hike. You keep the guys worth a damn, you fire the guys not worth a damn, you fill in the gaps where you can with automated machinery, and you charge more to the customer for your losses in both production and profit. It's happened everywhere the $15 minimum wage has been implemented. You get poor schmucks desperate for work who have to wait in a quasi on-call scenario waiting for Taco Bell to call them and tell them that they can come work. They have no set schedule, they have no fore-warning of hours will open up, and if they don't jump at the opportunity to take on said hours someone else will. Imagine being on-call without pay unless you get called in just to work minimum wage. I'd sooner work for $9/hour and just have a regular schedule.
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Id rather incentivize my awesome currently $15hr guy to do the job of two people and pay him $25/hr
Rather than have a $50/hr payroll consisting of one good guy and a dope |
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