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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:09:37 PM EST
[#1]
I need general Powell to testify about this. Like he did with the WMDs trailers in Iraq.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:10:46 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The world has never been more or less dangerous than it is right now. From nuclear weapons to an asteroid, life will never be "safe". The world objectively hasn't been this hot since ww2 and that was before my time. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:15:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Biden math. It never makes sense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A bomb in a week, but 6 in a month? Maths? Biden math. It never makes sense. You thinking that they only complete one and then start the next one after?  |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:15:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Using a fissionable isotope of uranium to make a bomb is a terrible waste. Breeding plutonium-239 is a whole lot more cost-effective. Breed 239 and you have to do all the separation which is messy and then you have to perfect the implosion design. 235 and the gun is so reliable we didn't even bother testing it. If the program is highly indigenous it'll be a gun device first. If best Korea or China helped all bets are off. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:17:35 PM EST
[#5]
Remember that time Iraq had WMDs? Ah. Good times, good times.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:17:36 PM EST
[#6]
Now is the time. We need to nuclear first strike both Iran and Russia.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:18:18 PM EST
[#7]
It seems not enough Welrod pistols were used on Iranian scientists.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:18:18 PM EST
[#8]
It's a shame that in this day and age I can't tell if this report is legit or just another hit-piece to gain support and funding for someone's agenda.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:19:58 PM EST
[#9]
They've been two weeks away for the last 40 yrs according to the press...and still we don't bomb them out of existence.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:22:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ...235 and the gun is so reliable we didn't even bother testing it.... Technically we did test it, once.  |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:22:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A bomb in a week, but 6 in a month? Maths? From their existing componentry, they can assemble one device in 7 days. They can produce sufficient fissionable material to create 6 devices in one month. Both estimates are gigantic WAGs without knowing things like their fuel cycles, fissionable material inventories, processing capabilities, fabrication capabilities, and so on and so on. I've thought they've had them for awhile now. They've certainly been trying long enough, they're a nation-state, they've the resources to burn (+ a lot of USD too), and they've plenty of engineering talent still there probably. Why wouldn't they have them? |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:24:47 PM EST
[#12]
Sounds to me like we have a week to get it done.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:26:21 PM EST
[#13]
Given how they've been more asshole-ish than usual lately, I'd say they already have the bomb. Can't help but wonder how much of said bomb was paid for by us taxpayers.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody hates Taylor Swift THAT much. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: some of my old intel buddies have told me to stay-the-fuck-away from Las Vegas AND the Superbowl this Sunday I'll just leave that one here  Nobody hates Taylor Swift THAT much. Yes but the Swifties swarming the venue like locusts, well, that's a different story  Seriously though, I really hope the Superbowl (as woke and stupid as it all has become) is normal and the only violence is a few drunken fist fights or whatever else goes on in the parking lots. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:26:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would the Iranian leadership want to destroy Iran? Israel's "Samson Option" is well known, and they are believed to have several hundred warheads. If Iran nuked Israel, their entire country would literally be wiped off the map. While the mullahs are obviously somewhat crazy, I don't think they are crazy to the point of being suicidal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dont think they have the temperament to hold onto a nuke. We'll know they have one when we see a mushroom cloud in Israel. Why would the Iranian leadership want to destroy Iran? Israel's "Samson Option" is well known, and they are believed to have several hundred warheads. If Iran nuked Israel, their entire country would literally be wiped off the map. While the mullahs are obviously somewhat crazy, I don't think they are crazy to the point of being suicidal. Honestly, once Iran's been proven to have them, making a similar approach to them with older PAL technology (as we did to Pakistan) might not be a bad idea. The mullahs may not on the whole be crazy, but with garbage surety and C&C---as I'd bet is the case there---it only takes a few or one to screw things up. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:29:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thing is once you have a ton or so of 50% u235 (give or take), you are "2 weeks away" from a bomb just depends on how portable you want it to be... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Standard Iranian agitprop for the last 15 or 20 years. "OMG! Iran is 2 weeks away from having nuclear weapons!" Why is it nobody remembers the last 50 times this has been trotted out? thing is once you have a ton or so of 50% u235 (give or take), you are "2 weeks away" from a bomb just depends on how portable you want it to be... I guess Pu-processing gaseous product detection is good enough now that we know the Iranians aren't going that route, but rather the HEU way. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:32:09 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Israeli Intel thinks the Iranians have a nuke the Izzies may launch first The whole idea behind Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) is you win, if you don't play, so-to-speak. Muslims don't care about life, only killing infidels and the Zionist Jews. If they have it.....THEY WILL USE IT. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:33:55 PM EST
[#17]
They already have one.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:34:19 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Spin yourself a pile of 235 and you can make it go boom pretty easily with a gun type device Breed 239 and you have to do all the separation which is messy and then you have to perfect the implosion design. 235 and the gun is so reliable we didn't even bother testing it. If the program is highly indigenous it'll be a gun device first. If best Korea or China helped all bets are off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Using a fissionable isotope of uranium to make a bomb is a terrible waste. Breeding plutonium-239 is a whole lot more cost-effective. Breed 239 and you have to do all the separation which is messy and then you have to perfect the implosion design. 235 and the gun is so reliable we didn't even bother testing it. If the program is highly indigenous it'll be a gun device first. If best Korea or China helped all bets are off. Not that UF6 is a pleasant substance to work with either. Computing power is cheap enough, I'd expect a "simple" implosion design for them. If only because it's much more efficient with the fissionable material. The fun begins if we think they've made a multi-stage device, which I would not be surprised to see either. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:36:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember that time Iraq had WMDs? Ah. Good times, good times. I remember when Iraq actually had nuclear reactors. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:40:57 PM EST
[#20]
 " />"They did not need much" |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:42:20 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody hates Taylor Swift THAT much. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: some of my old intel buddies have told me to stay-the-fuck-away from Las Vegas AND the Superbowl this Sunday I'll just leave that one here Nobody hates Taylor Swift THAT much. I lol'd. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:42:48 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont think they have the temperament to hold onto a nuke. We'll know they have one when we see a mushroom cloud in Israel. And then you will see Iran cease to exist |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:49:01 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole idea behind Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) is you win, if you don't play, so-to-speak. Muslims don't care about life, only killing infidels and the Zionist Jews. If they have it.....THEY WILL USE IT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If Israeli Intel thinks the Iranians have a nuke the Izzies may launch first The whole idea behind Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) is you win, if you don't play, so-to-speak. Muslims don't care about life, only killing infidels and the Zionist Jews. If they have it.....THEY WILL USE IT. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:51:58 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would the Iranian leadership want to destroy Iran? Israel's "Samson Option" is well known, and they are believed to have several hundred warheads. If Iran nuked Israel, their entire country would literally be wiped off the map. While the mullahs are obviously somewhat crazy, I don't think they are crazy to the point of being suicidal. I do not agree. If they truly have a religious conviction that this is what God wants, they will do this. I believe history would show that many are true believers, and as some one once said, "some men just want to watch the world burn". Putting hope in the fact that a person who believes it is their God given duty to kill anyone who believes differently than them, and than also believing that they would not use the most efficient way that "God" has given them to carry out the attack would be incredibly foolish. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 1:54:48 PM EST
[#25]
Nothing will happen. It’s mutually assured bros.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:07:06 PM EST
[#26]
Iran has been at the threshold for decades and no one did anything to stop them. Considering their close relationship with the Norks, they have everything they need.
For all intensive porpoises, they're already a nuclear power. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:08:05 PM EST
[#27]
Yes, I'm sure they're just sitting on all that uranium and not building weapons with it.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:28:25 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Standard Iranian agitprop for the last 15 or 20 years. "OMG! Iran is 2 weeks away from having nuclear weapons!" Why is it nobody remembers the last 50 times this has been trotted out? Right? Same old shit. Cannot say I blame them for wanting one, as history hath shown that possession of them prevents being conventionally attacked by the west. Hell, I would imagine the Wahhabist’s Saudis fund more terrorism around the world than Iran, but we give a pass to them because of oil. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:31:30 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole idea behind Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) is you win, if you don't play, so-to-speak. Muslims don't care about life, only killing infidels and the Zionist Jews. If they have it.....THEY WILL USE IT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If Israeli Intel thinks the Iranians have a nuke the Izzies may launch first The whole idea behind Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) is you win, if you don't play, so-to-speak. Muslims don't care about life, only killing infidels and the Zionist Jews. If they have it.....THEY WILL USE IT. As will Israel.......against all of their enemies |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:36:02 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would the Iranian leadership want to destroy Iran? Israel's "Samson Option" is well known, and they are believed to have several hundred warheads. If Iran nuked Israel, their entire country would literally be wiped off the map. While the mullahs are obviously somewhat crazy, I don't think they are crazy to the point of being suicidal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dont think they have the temperament to hold onto a nuke. We'll know they have one when we see a mushroom cloud in Israel. Why would the Iranian leadership want to destroy Iran? Israel's "Samson Option" is well known, and they are believed to have several hundred warheads. If Iran nuked Israel, their entire country would literally be wiped off the map. While the mullahs are obviously somewhat crazy, I don't think they are crazy to the point of being suicidal. laughs in 12th imam |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:36:20 PM EST
[#31]
ZFG.
Most shit like this is made up. Who knows if Nukes even exist. But, tremble in fear of Iran. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:43:58 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Standard Iranian agitprop for the last 15 or 20 years. "OMG! Iran is 2 weeks away from having nuclear weapons!" Why is it nobody remembers the last 50 times this has been trotted out? Came here to post this. I can remember 2007-2008 really well. If we didn't attack Iran then, they were going to have the bomb really soon. It was just around the corner. Of course, there wasn't a lot of media coverage (that I can remember) of Iran's actions directly against US troops in Iraq. That was far better covered on here and other sites. This of course ignores the reality of the Obama admin which basically legalized Iran's nuclear efforts despite what the JCPOA stated it was for...well at least finishing up when Obama wasn't president. We all know that if Iran gets one, the Saudis do...and of course what will it be used for? Nuking Israel seems dumb, but using it as leverage to get what they want and in turn maybe what China wants, seems like the better deal. The fact that we basically use our military to protect Iran's assets in the ME should be a pretty big clue. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:44:04 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: if they can build one in a week, they already have them. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:45:37 PM EST
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Posted: 2/7/2024 2:50:03 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The whole idea behind Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) is you win, if you don't play, so-to-speak. Muslims don't care about life, only killing infidels and the Zionist Jews. If they have it.....THEY WILL USE IT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If Israeli Intel thinks the Iranians have a nuke the Izzies may launch first The whole idea behind Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD) is you win, if you don't play, so-to-speak. Muslims don't care about life, only killing infidels and the Zionist Jews. If they have it.....THEY WILL USE IT. You know Pakistan has had nukes since the 80s, right?  If your comment was only talking about the Iranians, who knows? But some Muslims seem perfectly capable of having nuclear weapons without immediately nuking infidels or jews. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:00:35 PM EST
[#36]
So they are going the easy, inefficient way. A gun type weapon using Uranium. How surprising.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:01:29 PM EST
[#37]
You can thank iatola Obama and his boy Joe for that one.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:02:45 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A bomb in a week, but 6 in a month? Maths? Not all processes scale linearly, this ought to be obvious. However, it doesn't even say that they could have a nuke built in a week - it says that they'll have enough material in a week. They'll have enough to build six and it'll take a month to build them. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:03:06 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You know Pakistan has had nukes since the 80s, right? If your comment was only talking about the Iranians, who knows? But some Muslims seem perfectly capable of having nuclear weapons without immediately nuking infidels or jews. It’s the Shiite Muslims we have a problem with, apparently. You know, the 10% of the overall Muslim population that seems a lot more liberal than the Sunnis, and haven’t committed anywhere near the amount of terrorist attacks. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:04:47 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ZFG. Most shit like this is made up. Who knows if Nukes even exist. But, tremble in fear of Iran. What? excuse me , wat? |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:06:06 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Israeli Intel thinks the Iranians have a nuke the Izzies may launch first Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I dont think they have the temperament to hold onto a nuke. We'll know they have one when we see a mushroom cloud in Israel. If Israeli Intel thinks the Iranians have a nuke the Izzies may launch first I don't think there's any "may" about it, if the threat is plausible the Israelis will be dropping a conventional airstrike on the facility. They've done it before. That they haven't makes the whole thing substantially less plausible to me. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:09:48 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think there's any "may" about it, if the threat is plausible the Israelis will be dropping a conventional airstrike on the facility. They've done it before. That they haven't makes the whole thing substantially less plausible to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I dont think they have the temperament to hold onto a nuke. We'll know they have one when we see a mushroom cloud in Israel. If Israeli Intel thinks the Iranians have a nuke the Izzies may launch first I don't think there's any "may" about it, if the threat is plausible the Israelis will be dropping a conventional airstrike on the facility. They've done it before. That they haven't makes the whole thing substantially less plausible to me. Apparently the problem is that the Iranian program is buried SO deep that the Israelis do not have the ability to destroy it using conventional weapons. They can damage it, and obviously delay things, and they can assasinate scientists - but it seems that they cannot just destroy it. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:11:37 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently the problem is that the Iranian program is buried SO deep that the Israelis do not have the ability to destroy it using conventional weapons. They can damage it, and obviously delay things, and they can assasinate scientists - but it seems that they cannot just destroy it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I dont think they have the temperament to hold onto a nuke. We'll know they have one when we see a mushroom cloud in Israel. If Israeli Intel thinks the Iranians have a nuke the Izzies may launch first I don't think there's any "may" about it, if the threat is plausible the Israelis will be dropping a conventional airstrike on the facility. They've done it before. That they haven't makes the whole thing substantially less plausible to me. Apparently the problem is that the Iranian program is buried SO deep that the Israelis do not have the ability to destroy it using conventional weapons. They can damage it, and obviously delay things, and they can assasinate scientists - but it seems that they cannot just destroy it. Burying it is always a good start. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:17:10 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: if they can build one in a week, they already have them. They probably already have 20+ They are rolling the dice on lighting any of them off right now, they are gambling on appeasement or annihilation, and feel emboldened by the amount of appeasement they have been getting over the past 3 years. Things might go hot sooner than we think. That can that has been kicked for decades has run in to a wall at this point. It's time to crush that can. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:18:06 PM EST
[#45]
It would be a terrible shame if their primary facility experienced an unfortunate manufacturing accident that rendered it uninhabitable for the next decade or so.
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:19:08 PM EST
[#46]
Guess I better stock up on pasta and iodine
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:21:46 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Welp the silver lining here is gun control will take a back seat to all but the most rabid when the mushroom clouds start to appear on the horizon. Don’t count your chickens. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:23:55 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Burying it is always a good start. Once Iran gets nukes rogue states like Israel will probably attack them a lot less. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:25:03 PM EST
[#49]
LOL I doubt the Ruskies and Chicoms even have a deployable inventory these day. I highly doubt India and Pakistan could deploy.
I will believe Iran has nukes when they use one and not a moment before. |
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Posted: 2/7/2024 3:27:37 PM EST
[#50]
Here's the report underlying the Fox News piece https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/the-iran-threat-geiger-counter-reaching-extreme-danger
Think tank stuff, not unlike The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists' Clock. Which is not to say they're wrong. It sounds like the 1 week figure comes from The Institute for Science and International Security (no shit, ISIS) and not the mullahs. So everything's fine. |
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