Like trying to deflect a strategically toxic topic the D's have been using to win, and one that less than half the members of AR15.com supports, even though that less-than-half, acts like they represent the super-majority here?

That kind of do more?

I do more than most. I donate. I vote with my dollars and I’m even moving to a swing state in order to vote R in the general election.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Would-you-move-to-save-the-country-/5-2712059/

I assume you mean weed, because nobody dies.

AZ was already lost.

While I agree with the sentiment that attitude is pissing away an opportunity.  There is nothing more important in this country right now than securing elections.  You secure elections and democrats never win again.  Then you can tackle abortion.

The problem with that is by losing the election, you lose control of law and abortion becomes legal by law.

So campaigning against abortion and or getting decisions right before an election when you don't have a solid majority ensure election defeat and abortion legality.

It's futile, then you lose your guns and your money and your freedom, so you end up with nothing including the issue of abortion.

May the United States of America get exactly what it's works deserve.

Both can be done at the same time.

Yeah, the end justifies the means!

Agreed. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

Our Gov would love to outlaw Constitutional Carry if she could and will probably try to at some point.

I can tell you are an irrational Christian (more concisely Christian because you are ALL irrational) without you saying so.  

When the embryo is 8 weeks old it is not a person yet.   I agree with setting a hard deadline and that deadline is a gray area but one absolutely needs to be set.  

However, there is now a way to prevent the embryo from being born so if you stop someone from using that in a timely manner you ARE forcing them to go forth, no mater what your Christian 'logic' would make you believe.  

Lets be honest and real here - humans have been on the Earth for a million years, depending on when apes evolved into humans. If you think otherwise just go educate yourself.  So all of that time people got pregnant and had no choice.  Thankfully for the survival of the species.   They didn't have much else to do anyways so it was good for them.  

Now, we have WAY TOO MANY people on the Earth, and especially way too many people that were born to idiots and terrible parents, many of which are so because they weren't ready for a baby that some self-righteous idiots in some way force them to have.  So science comes up with a viable option to prevent this from happening, but these same self-righteous, selfish idiots insist on them birthing regardless of the misery it causes the child or the parents.  And you know what else these fucking morons do?  They won't give a single penny to then alleviate the financial burden that they caused with their prehistoric ignorance and irrationality.

YOU and people like you are as bad as the dumbass Liberals who cause so much pain on others by being irrational.  You are two peas in a pod with your logical errors that were inculcated in youth and you don't have the IQ to rise above them and we all suffer because of it.  

As a person that was informed by my parents that their drs pushed my mom to abort me due to my “health” concerns i agree with this man 110%.

Do realize what you are saying? You are saying it is OK to murder on a grand scale just to win an election. OP, you have far too much in common with Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot and nothing in common with Freedom.

You mean sorta like how people don't realize that "i must have power and nothing else matters as much " is also a principal?

Power first, above all else.

All else must serve our having power.

Be the willing slave of this principal.

Or somehow, you're a blind fool.

We (rightly) accuse the other side of trying to make an impossible utopia reality.

All the while acting like we have to have the impossible utopia before we can or should try and do any good things that insane people will REEEE about.

You took the words right out of my mouth.
And how is baby killing a horrible hill to die on? Sounds like one of the most noble hills to die on to me.

Ahh the good old days of forced marriages…hard to imagine why younger people aren’t a fan.

This

Exactly, none of this is coincidence.

No, the end of winning elections ensures political power to educate people and change the course of history and attitudes, that then can be used to make just laws.

Losing elections only ensures that dems make the laws and control the narrative. And you have legal abortions again, so either way, you lose on abortion by prohibiting it in the current society and you lose the country with open borders, spending out of control, loss of gun rights, but hey we had a few months to a couple years where abortions were illegal so it is all worth it right?

Your god complex is showing badly...an embryo 8 weeks old is not a person. Has anyone ever asked you how you know that? Is 8 weeks and a day a person? 2 days?

Not if you don't get into office.

I’m proud of the politically ignorant, hard core pro lifers that are lining up to adopt black and brown ghetto babies.

Oh, good, Your post says you like rationality.

Surely you'll hold to that, right? You're not just using the words without knowing what they mean or applying them equally?

Cmon, let's do this; let's apply some real pressure and see what comes out. Let's see if you even know what rationality is.

Surely you'll be an adult and fess up if you're wrong, than change your position?



... aaand right off the bat:

No reasoning at all given for "all christians are irrational."

I hoped you could have been at least better than meathead from all in the family.

"8 weeks old it is not a person"

YOu know what, to start, I won't even argue with that.

I'll just ask you: how do you know that? Can you clearly state why you believe you know that?

"Forcing them (who? the unborn child or the parent?) forth" ... and forth with ... what?  I already stipulated that people in the situation offered should be forced to have the child even if they want to murder it to get away from the consquences.

"Humans have been here on earth for a million years" <--- I'll be kinda stupid and guess - you believe science can prove this is true?  All science affirms the consequent. It all tries to go from the specific to the general without having examined all the specifics. Because of this science can never make any truths known. This is what happens when you apply rationality to the question of "how does science say we can know."

"Too many people on earth." Why should anyone, including you, believe this claim?

Well, yes, kids are born to bad parents. "I have bad parents" justifies nothing. It's just a condition. You can't get an "ought" from an "is."  

"Misery it (not killing the child) causes ..." Ironic. You dehumanize the unborn human persons so they can be killed without your conscience tweaking you. Than you try and appeal to being humane. What is consistent between the two: do anything,  anything at all, to keep your precious feelz intact. You get to be selfish to the point of intentionally killing the unborn human person. And call anyone who shows what you're doing "selfish."

Also, yes, people suffer and have misery. If suffering and misery justify dehumanizing others and killing them, congrats, whoever you cause suffering and misery to has the right to dehumanize you and advocate you be killed. I mean, if you're rational and consistent with what you *say* you believe.  No life is worth living if you have to suffer, right?

"Won't give a single penny" You're just guessing that that. And if people tell you what they do you'll scream in their face that they're just telling others and doing it so they can look good.

You accuse others of being illogical and low IQ and than you don't even use logic.

If I had to guess, you've never been taught how to argue and think.

Shoplifters also aren't a fan of laws that say they can't steal.

No surprise there.

Keep it in your pants and keep your knees together till you are in a stable life long relationship and you can responsibly raise the kids that result from sex.  Not only a reasonable request, without it you won't have a functioning society for long.

What you posed required and espoused that the end (having the power to do what you want) justified the means (not fighting insane people and trying to stop them from intentionally killing the unborn).

You're literally saying that without doing this wrong, you can't have the means to get what you want.

It's a trap and humans fall into it all the time.

Yes.

There are actual hills you have to die on.

Principals you cannot repudiate.

Rejecting this is why conservatism in america has failed so often. It's why leftists beat our faces in.  We won't sacrifice, and they KNOW it.

GOP is great at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

How many of you were going to vote for Trump but have now decided against it due to this issue?

It's just one party that like different animals.

And they will legalize child murder, genocide and drugs to keep everyone to high to notice...



So we better vote for child murder, genocide and drugs to keep them out of office??

GTFO

Wrong.  I knew plenty of people back in 2020 who would have voted for Trump that instantly switched when the SC made their ruling.  Not to mention, those who would have sat at home apathetic about voting now have their motivation.

Last time it was voting for weed and now there’s a weed shop on every corner.
What a mess. I have no idea what side the GOP is on.

And an increasing homelessness, hit and runs and crime problems too...

Abortion is the murder of an Unborn child.

It
Should be banned

Drive 5 hours to California or New Mexico.

Hell, just move and it won't be a problem.

The puritans have arrived.

Trump is Pro-Abortion.

So really you just know a bunch of stupid people.

How dare they.

Give them the scarlet letter P and excoummunicate them!

They shouldn't be allowed to have what they desire!

How DARE they try and enforce any standards! _{(literally shaking)} Now run them out and don't let them have power! They go against our standards!

It's a fucking retarded wedge issue. Republicans are just to stubborn to get with the times. Look no further then VAs governor. He just said he would veto legalization

As opposed to the baby murdering pagans.

Abortion is nothing but a losing issue. I don't support it but I also don't give a fuck what other people I'll never know do with their crotch fruit. Absolutely fucking retarded

Could be most of the nation.
If the deal is ...you let us win a few seats and we'll let you kill a million babies it's already game over.

I know right?

Those insanos on the other side scream and will always force us to lose if we try and push this topic.

What a society will and will not accept can never be changed. People just need to get with the times.

The individual candidates position matters little as long as the GOP is seen as the party that wants to control women. This ruling will impact republicans outside of Arizona too

Dabney?

Problem is the right isn't going to win anything anymore, and its going to be transing your unborn child who would have otherwise had an abortion because she/he/they slept with an illegal from China....FOREVER.

Most Americans like abortion, A LOT. And its going to keep on keepin' on until the power goes out for the last time.

Sort of like the talk about "my guns and let's get it on". They'll join the other side before they die for theirs.

Not sorry.

Now that this matter is taken care of, pedophiles should be executed in the street. Still not sorry.

They riled up the baby killers just in time for the election.

So uni-party.

Oh look, is that Lindsey Graham behind the curtain?

I predict many of those screeching about “killing babies” will also be claiming stolen election when Trump loses again.