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Originally Posted By 74novaman: This is tangential to the thread, but I have questions. What scenario do you see where you'd be walking/biking home and abandoning your car? I see this "get home bag" concept a lot revolving around leaving behind a car and I don't think I understand the thinking. My best guess is people have read prepper fantasy revolving around EMPs and picture their cars getting disabled. I've been around hurricane evacuations, severe freezing weather, fire evacs etc and never seen people leaving their cars to walk anywhere, it's either drive out or shelter in place depending on scenario. So I guess my question is what scenario are you envisioning leaving your vehicle behind and riding your foldable bicycle home? View Quote Honestly the EMP thing is like 98% fantasy retarded prepper bullshit. But I get it, most of the population barely graduated 8th grade math and physucks. It sounds scary and you can be an edgelord flexing on normies with it. (the normies are laughing at you btw) Abandoning a car or camping with it though is BOB territory when it comes to shitty weather/emergencies/out of gas etc. BTDT. Plenty of people ran out of gas during Katrina etc. So having to bail on a vehicle isn't 100% improbable, but it wouldn't be anyones first choice. I also have an "abandon house bag" which is built around getting to a hotel/elsewhere in case of fire with docs/e-memories and change of clothes in it etc. In either case stashing/having a PCC or concealable PDW in case of "urban unrest" isn't the worst thing to think through. Though I will bet 99% of those guys don't have concealable soft armor. Which would be a huge help in a "riot" type of deal where you still need to grey man. |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: This is tangential to the thread, but I have questions. What scenario do you see where you'd be walking/biking home and abandoning your car? I see this "get home bag" concept a lot revolving around leaving behind a car and I don't think I understand the thinking. My best guess is people have read prepper fantasy revolving around EMPs and picture their cars getting disabled. I've been around hurricane evacuations, severe freezing weather, fire evacs etc and never seen people leaving their cars to walk anywhere, it's either drive out or shelter in place depending on scenario. So I guess my question is what scenario are you envisioning leaving your vehicle behind and riding your foldable bicycle home? View Quote So, your examples there are all "leave home" and not "get home" I notice, and they tend to be sort of inevitable but not unforeseen. I think that's more bug-out bag territory. I think of them as providing first aid, self-defense, and sustainment for an extended trip home that may not involve a vehicle. Mine consists of spare mags for my CCW pistol, a first aid kit with things like moleskin bandages and a splint, good boots, and some granola and bars and food/water for a day's hike. Most of it is stuff I'd have with me anyway, and pretty much all of it is just as applicable for, say, being stuck for an extra hour or two in traffic as it is for ditching the car and hoofing it. |
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Originally Posted By Strontium: Suppressed type III https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/440960/IMG_8133_jpg-3318705.JPG View Quote LOL have the gun tubers finally developed a classification system for smol guns? |
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: LOL have the gun tubers finally developed a classification system for smol guns? View Quote Yes. 9 hole reviews did a while back. Their video explanation is on page one of the thread. Its a decent way to draw some sort of pdw distinction between a Rattler and a Glock in a chassis. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: That's not a PDW. That's a War View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By Strela: But why the long barrel? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/51K-2_jpg-3318441.JPG That's not a PDW. That's a War No PDW thread is complete without that entry. @Strela |
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Originally Posted By Alacran: No PDW thread is complete without that entry. @Strela View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By Strela: But why the long barrel? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/51K-2_jpg-3318441.JPG That's not a PDW. That's a War No PDW thread is complete without that entry. @Strela It's got the most interesting back story of my MGs. Bought it by phone from Kent Lamont while I was about a half-mile from the Branch Davidian Compound on the second day of the siege. |
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"An age of glory passed like a lightning flash. The mandate of heaven passed from you but you didn't see. Times change and power passes. It is the pity of the world."
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Well. This thread made me pull the trigger. Here's to waiting for the paper work approval 😎 in short order. |
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"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson
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Originally Posted By atacdale66: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/85690/20240910_150718_jpg-3318988.JPG Well. This thread made me pull the trigger. Here's to waiting for the paper work approval 😎 in short order. View Quote Enjoy it! Great system. (Other than the foibles I talked about earlier.) |
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RIP Sparky 1/15/15
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Originally Posted By atacdale66: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/85690/20240910_150718_jpg-3318988.JPG Well. This thread made me pull the trigger. Here's to waiting for the paper work approval 😎 in short order. View Quote Mind if I ask what that double stamper is going to cost all in? |
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Originally Posted By Earax: Ya, their initial run of lowers with the paint fill dividers for the logo. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/228258/1000009579_jpg-3318437.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Earax: Ya, their initial run of lowers with the paint fill dividers for the logo. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/228258/1000009579_jpg-3318437.JPG Absolutely love it! I’m a massive Resident Evil nerd. I have the UCWRG pistol grips on everything but retro stuff. Even the grips are getting hard to find. |
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Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Enjoy it! Great system. (Other than the foibles I talked about earlier.) View Quote I’ve been looking at this platform for awhile now. Your very informative post and reading online about it made me go look. The owner of the LGS warned me about the trigger as well. I’ll train with it and get used to it. Thanks again. |
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"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson
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"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson
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Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Enjoy it! Great system. (Other than the foibles I talked about earlier.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Originally Posted By atacdale66: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/85690/20240910_150718_jpg-3318988.JPG Well. This thread made me pull the trigger. Here's to waiting for the paper work approval 😎 in short order. Enjoy it! Great system. (Other than the foibles I talked about earlier.) Something else. It had a shorter can on it. Went with the longer can. Now that I think about it…..that shorter can might be an option. You can never have enough of those. |
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"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson
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Originally Posted By livinfree: I really like this in .556, 4.75” barrel. I know a lot of you think it is too short for .556, but I don’t have to add a caliber I don’t already have. Add sights/optic of your choice. Fits in Jansport backpack. Put whatever lower on it you want, same mags and ammo you already have. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273029/22F7ECA4-E03B-4369-9C54-ED80BEBD8893_jpe-3242216.JPG View Quote You don’t have a 9mm? C’mon man! |
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Latest entry … Ruger10mm PCC carbine. Takes Glock 20-type mags, any capacity.
Officially the new PDW hotness for election-year protection? |
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Originally Posted By atacdale66: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/85690/20240910_150718_jpg-3318988.JPG Well. This thread made me pull the trigger. Here's to waiting for the paper work approval 😎 in short order. View Quote I really like those. That might be my first SBR |
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"The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction"
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Completely unfamiliar with 10mm ballistics. Will it defeat Level IIIA?
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Tom Sawyer.
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Originally Posted By tortilla-flats: Completely unfamiliar with 10mm ballistics. Will it defeat Level IIIA? View Quote Zippy rounds with less of a cross section are usually needed to get through soft armor. Usually the bottlenecked handgun rounds where you put a lot of ass behind a narrower bullet. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: No, IIIa has to stop a .44 Mag to pass, which is a bit spicier than most 10mm auto. Zippy rounds with less of a cross section are usually needed to get through soft armor. Usually the bottlenecked handgun rounds where you put a lot of ass behind a narrower bullet. View Quote Anyone making a pdw chassis for a Desert Eagle? |
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For those getting their P320 Flux together... this set up runs great for me. FS slide, SilencerCo threaded barrel, Griffin Resistance 9 (Ez LOK attach), factory RSA. This was shot a bunch with a Harrington comp on it before I got the suppressor, which is why I think it didnt have any issues running with the can on.
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Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Honestly the EMP thing is like 98% fantasy retarded prepper bullshit. But I get it, most of the population barely graduated 8th grade math and physucks. It sounds scary and you can be an edgelord flexing on normies with it. (the normies are laughing at you btw) Abandoning a car or camping with it though is BOB territory when it comes to shitty weather/emergencies/out of gas etc. BTDT. Plenty of people ran out of gas during Katrina etc. So having to bail on a vehicle isn't 100% improbable, but it wouldn't be anyones first choice. I also have an "abandon house bag" which is built around getting to a hotel/elsewhere in case of fire with docs/e-memories and change of clothes in it etc. In either case stashing/having a PCC or concealable PDW in case of "urban unrest" isn't the worst thing to think through. Though I will bet 99% of those guys don't have concealable soft armor. Which would be a huge help in a "riot" type of deal where you still need to grey man. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Harlikwin: Originally Posted By 74novaman: This is tangential to the thread, but I have questions. What scenario do you see where you'd be walking/biking home and abandoning your car? I see this "get home bag" concept a lot revolving around leaving behind a car and I don't think I understand the thinking. My best guess is people have read prepper fantasy revolving around EMPs and picture their cars getting disabled. I've been around hurricane evacuations, severe freezing weather, fire evacs etc and never seen people leaving their cars to walk anywhere, it's either drive out or shelter in place depending on scenario. So I guess my question is what scenario are you envisioning leaving your vehicle behind and riding your foldable bicycle home? Honestly the EMP thing is like 98% fantasy retarded prepper bullshit. But I get it, most of the population barely graduated 8th grade math and physucks. It sounds scary and you can be an edgelord flexing on normies with it. (the normies are laughing at you btw) Abandoning a car or camping with it though is BOB territory when it comes to shitty weather/emergencies/out of gas etc. BTDT. Plenty of people ran out of gas during Katrina etc. So having to bail on a vehicle isn't 100% improbable, but it wouldn't be anyones first choice. I also have an "abandon house bag" which is built around getting to a hotel/elsewhere in case of fire with docs/e-memories and change of clothes in it etc. In either case stashing/having a PCC or concealable PDW in case of "urban unrest" isn't the worst thing to think through. Though I will bet 99% of those guys don't have concealable soft armor. Which would be a huge help in a "riot" type of deal where you still need to grey man. It happens every time we have hurricane evacuations, folks get stuck on the highway. Walking down the side of the road with a slung long gun is most likely not going to make anyone inclined to stop and offer you a ride but it's likely to get the attention of the cops. A PDW in your pack would be a better option in that scenario. We've got a lot of bridges that could cause potential issues too, whether because of damage (possible, especially given the poor condition of the bridges in this state) or if someone wanted to created a checkpoint (probably fantasy). It doesn't even have to be a bridge you go over, think about how many retards we've seen open a dump bed or try to drive an oversized load under one or even some bums trying damaging one (that bum camp fire in, IIRC, Houston a couple of years ago damaged a bridge). A lot of folks use public transportation and we also have some park and rides (park your vehicle in an inexpensive lot and take the bus into the city) where I could see this being useful, although they have no concealed weapons policies. |
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Originally Posted By atacdale66: 3100.00 total. Now I sit n wait. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By atacdale66: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Mind if I ask what that double stamper is going to cost all in? 3100.00 total. Now I sit n wait. Thank you And Yowzahs. Hope you dig it |
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Originally Posted By atacdale66: Something else. It had a shorter can on it. Went with the longer can. Now that I think about it…..that shorter can might be an option. You can never have enough of those. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By atacdale66: Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Originally Posted By atacdale66: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/85690/20240910_150718_jpg-3318988.JPG Well. This thread made me pull the trigger. Here's to waiting for the paper work approval 😎 in short order. Enjoy it! Great system. (Other than the foibles I talked about earlier.) Something else. It had a shorter can on it. Went with the longer can. Now that I think about it…..that shorter can might be an option. You can never have enough of those. What interface do the B&T cans and the TP9 have? I presume it’s proprietary. Can you swap the ass end to make the cans useable on other gats? |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Yes, it's a proprietary QD mount, kind of the same idea as the H&K tri-lug, but totally different dimentions. https://bt-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Detail_TP9-3.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: What interface do the B&T cans and the TP9 have? I presume it's proprietary. Can you swap the ass end to make the cans useable on other gats? https://bt-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Detail_TP9-3.jpg That’s what I thought I’d seen before. Can their cans have a different thread pitch bit swapped like a HUB female/male threaded jobber so it can be used on a not B&T gun? |
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: That’s what I thought I’d seen before. Can their cans have a different thread pitch bit swapped like a HUB female/male threaded jobber so it can be used on a not B&T gun? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: What interface do the B&T cans and the TP9 have? I presume it's proprietary. Can you swap the ass end to make the cans useable on other gats? https://bt-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Detail_TP9-3.jpg That’s what I thought I’d seen before. Can their cans have a different thread pitch bit swapped like a HUB female/male threaded jobber so it can be used on a not B&T gun? Negative. There is a trilug adapter kit for the TP9 suppressor but I don't see the point TBH. My TP9 can was relatively inexpensive at $500. Not too bad for a specialty can. |
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RIP Sparky 1/15/15
"Did you not take into account I'm a noble savage? Unapologetic lifer for rock 'n roll!" |
Originally Posted By towerofpower94: That's what I thought I'd seen before. Can their cans have a different thread pitch bit swapped like a HUB female/male threaded jobber so it can be used on a not B&T gun? View Quote |
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Not technically a PDW but it does fit the bill for compact and can be carried without drawing attention.
Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File The rotating handguard lets you fold the sight away under the barrel 180 degrees for a much thinner profile when folded. Fits inside a messenger/laptop bag, and there's other pockets for magazines and ammo, hearing protection, and a charger for the cheap laser. The Primary Arms Prism sight with the 9mm reticle is great on this. And if for whatever reason it goes down I can just rotate the handguard and use the iron sights. |
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Originally Posted By Jambalaya: Not technically a PDW but it does fit the bill for compact and can be carried without drawing attention. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/80518/1000013519_jpg-3319696.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/80518/1000013518_jpg-3319697.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/80518/1000013540_jpg-3319698.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/80518/1000013542_jpg-3319699.JPG The rotating handguard lets you fold the sight away under the barrel 180 degrees for a much thinner profile when folded. Fits inside a messenger/laptop bag, and there's other pockets for magazines and ammo, hearing protection, and a charger for the cheap laser. The Primary Arms Prism sight with the 9mm reticle is great on this. And if for whatever reason it goes down I can just rotate the handguard and use the iron sights. View Quote I believe Keltec is going to be offering that in 5.7 mm as well, If they haven’t released it already. I haven’t kept up with that rumor. Supposed to be under the $500 price point.. |
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Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Negative. There is a trilug adapter kit for the TP9 suppressor but I don't see the point TBH. My TP9 can was relatively inexpensive at $500. Not too bad for a specialty can. View Quote Odd, I’d have figured their cans would be more expensive. Originally Posted By D_Man: There's a conversion adaptor to use it on H&K style tri-lugs, because B&T puts those on their other PCC type guns, but I don't think the end of the can is a standard thread like HUB so not much else you can do with it. View Quote Thanks |
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Here’s my dilemma.
I have an AR pistol with a PDW brace. Delightful little gun. I can build out 300blk and x39 uppers for it, and while there will be a cost, it won’t be an ugly amount. OR I can get a CMMG Dissent upper in 300blk and put it on a brand new lower with an A3 Tactical folding brace, thus getting me even shorter. I would very much like to put a BRN180 pistol upper in x39 on it, but it seems those are discontinued. This is a surprisingly expensive build. Doe’s it make sense to get the folding brace and shrink the gun down as tiny as possible, or do those extra 4-6in matter less than the $2500 I will spend on this project? Does anyone have a line on an x39 piston pistol upper (like the BRN180)? If I could find one of those, that would tip me towards the new gun. |
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Is Flux just not making any more P365 Chassis? I haven't seen any restocks since the initial release.
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Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Doe’s it make sense to get the folding brace and shrink the gun down as tiny as possible, or do those extra 4-6in matter less than the $2500 I will spend on this project? View Quote I hate to be that guy, but "it depends". Do you have a specific set up/storage idea that really requires you to lose that 4-6 inches? Do you have $2500 to blow on a project that couldn't be better spent on ammo, supplies or training? Only you know your use case and financial situation. It either makes sense for you, or it doesn't. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By CFletch: Is Flux just not making any more P365 Chassis? I haven't seen any restocks since the initial release. View Quote They are slow at production period. I had to wait for a while before I snagged a Raider X on a restock. Because they're slow, it encourages resale assholes to poach any restock as well. Follow the flux social media stuff, they try to give heads up on restocks so you don't have to try and find one 3rd party. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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never underestimate the stupidity of other people
GA, USA
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Originally Posted By CFletch: Is Flux just not making any more P365 Chassis? I haven't seen any restocks since the initial release. View Quote Just need to add a dot but this thing is built otherwise. Attached File Attached File |
"every exercise is a low back exercise if you do it wrong enough"
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: Just need to add a dot but this thing is built otherwise. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/455820/IMG_7706_jpeg-3320422.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/455820/IMG_7707_jpeg-3320424.JPG View Quote Needs moar 21 round mags! Looks good, I edc a 365XL set up the same way so I’m thinking about one. I also tend to bring a Rattler when I travel though so not sure if worth it. |
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RIP Sparky 1/15/15
"Did you not take into account I'm a noble savage? Unapologetic lifer for rock 'n roll!" |
never underestimate the stupidity of other people
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Originally Posted By f402mech: Needs moar 21 round mags! Looks good, I edc a 365XL set up the same way so I’m thinking about one. I also tend to bring a Rattler when I travel though so not sure if worth it. View Quote I’ll get some 21 rounders when they get to be not stupid prices. I mostly built this for semi local travel. A nice hotel locally, beach trip, a rental cabin, that kind of thing. Basically I’d like something with a little more “ass” for night time or of things get weird while I’m out. It’s also small enough to lock into a portable pistol safe where the rattler isn’t, which makes me feel better with my young kids around. |
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With the can attached, I think it gets out of the ‘spirit’ of a PDW. 28.25”.
Still…I like it. Attached File Without the can, it’s 22.75” long. Attached File Zev/Mega lower PSA 7” .300BLK M-Lok upper SB-PDW brace BCM Mod 0 grip ALG-ACT LPK Holosun 510C Troy HK flip up BUIS BCM medium CH Dead Air Xeno 3 prong FH O-light WML Resilient Jolene S suppressor w/Xeno HUB adapter Magpul M-Lok hardware |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: The Flux Raider we have at home. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/asdrtyh45-3322248.jpg View Quote @D_Man did you print that? I have a file saved off reddit to do this but I suck at both printing and gunsmithing so I haven't done it. |
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Originally Posted By steviesterno16: @D_Man did you print that? I have a file saved off reddit to do this but I suck at both printing and gunsmithing so I haven't done it. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Thor: I believe Keltec is going to be offering that in 5.7 mm as well, If they haven’t released it already. I haven’t kept up with that rumor. Supposed to be under the $500 price point.. View Quote Thats a slam dunk right there for me. Almost the perfect pcc. Even more portable than my ruger and ap 16" barrel to pump those velocity numbers. Oh, fuck yeah. https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/rifles/sub2000-57/ |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: The Flux Raider we have at home. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/asdrtyh45-3322248.jpg View Quote Effin awesome |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Gonna give the Acro a shot for a little while. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102217/tp9-3321323.jpg Probably won't get to the range for a few days but feels pretty good larping in the basement. View Quote So jelly. And we have the same rain barrels. It must be a sign that I’m supposed to drop $3100 and get a TP9 setup just like you! |
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: So jelly. And we have the same rain barrels. It must be a sign that I’m supposed to drop $3100 and get a TP9 setup just like you! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Gonna give the Acro a shot for a little while. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102217/tp9-3321323.jpg Probably won't get to the range for a few days but feels pretty good larping in the basement. So jelly. And we have the same rain barrels. It must be a sign that I’m supposed to drop $3100 and get a TP9 setup just like you! A man of taste and sophistication, I see. |
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RIP Sparky 1/15/15
"Did you not take into account I'm a noble savage? Unapologetic lifer for rock 'n roll!" |
Hope everybody is getting their game-face on. This “mostly peaceful election year” is about to enter the 4th Quarter.
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Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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