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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 10:35:11 AM EDT
[#1]
It literally send shivers up my spine when I think about how we used to drink and drive when we were young. How lucky we are we never hurt anyone. Thank God for Uber/Lyft, most people seem to use that option now, though not enough.
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Posted: 8/20/2024 10:37:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NAM: No victim, no crime. Fucking hell. 
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Posted: 8/20/2024 10:37:30 AM EDT
[#3]
Common at that age/culture to get black out drunk and get on the road - try to see it as macho or some shit.
The old timers will pound down a 12/18 in an afternoon/evening, and a lot of the youngsters try to keep up Source - have worked around construction / trades for 20+ years |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 10:38:34 AM EDT
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There are some.groups of people that embrace drunk driving as a cultural identity pretty much.
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Posted: 8/20/2024 10:42:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NY12ga]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fast99: After owning a towing co for 30 years I have seen a lot of DUI crashes. Always seems if anyone lives it's the drunk driver. Some of these crashes are very tragic. A young high school aged scholar with excellent grades, sports star, or a family completely wiped out. Lives snuffed out by a horrible decision. It effects many people beyond the immediate family. sad The drunk tends to live because they’re either passed out or nearly so and in a relaxed and pliable state. Sober passengers get hurt or killed because they see it coming and brace for impact which in their tense state makes the damage more severe That’s what the ambulance drivers told me when I survived being rear ended by an 18 wheeler into the back of a stopped greyhound bus. I was sober and did see it coming but I did the math, accepted that I was about to meet God and relaxed into that inevitable fate. To this day I still can’t explain why or how I did so, but the ambulance drivers were certain my car was holding a fatality when they first arrived on scene |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 10:44:27 AM EDT
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NM, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 10:47:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creatyre: There's a large contingent on this very forum that believes drinking and driving shouldn't be illegal until you hurt someone... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creatyre: Originally Posted By RTX: Unfortunately, it's a cultural norm. Embrace the diversity. There's a large contingent on this very forum that believes drinking and driving shouldn't be illegal until you hurt someone... I’m ok with that, as long as the punishment is immediate road side execution. Have a judge on call to respond to the scene. Witnesses/responders can be the jury. Road crew can dig the trench. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 10:51:04 AM EDT
[#8]
Pattern recognition engaged!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 10:58:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2024 11:00:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NAM: No victim, no crime. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NAM: Originally Posted By Creatyre: There's a large contingent on this very forum that believes drinking and driving shouldn't be illegal until you hurt someone... No victim, no crime.  |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 11:03:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grey50beast: As if dui crashes didn't happen before. 5 people in a sedan sounds like a family  Illegal alien drunk driving is epidemic and rarely reported. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 11:06:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creatyre: There's a large contingent on this very forum that believes drinking and driving shouldn't be illegal until you hurt someone... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creatyre: Originally Posted By RTX: Unfortunately, it's a cultural norm. Embrace the diversity. There's a large contingent on this very forum that believes drinking and driving shouldn't be illegal until you hurt someone... Not my opinion but not relevant here anyway, in this case he definitely hurt someone. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 11:10:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LineOfDeparture: Drunk drivers generally experience less traumatic changes in force. "It's not the speed, it's the sudden stop. " Folks stopped get rear-ended by dickhead doing 120, they immediately accelerate tp 120mph and all the associated trauma that comes with that rapid acceleration. They're subjected to more traumatic forces than the guy going 120 undergoing a less traumatic deceleration over time. This explains it very well, thank you. It’s less traumatic to decelerate than accelerate. The deceleration is transferring (losing) energy to the acceleration. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 11:19:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: feetpiece]
[#14]
Originally Posted By fadedsun: Eduardo Gonzalez, 19-year-old male of Fort Worth, is charged with five counts of Intoxication Manslaughter with Vehicle and Driving While Intoxicated. [/i] It's like a whole other country 
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MA, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 11:27:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: This explains it very well, thank you. It’s less traumatic to decelerate than accelerate. The deceleration is transferring (losing) energy to the acceleration. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: Originally Posted By LineOfDeparture: Drunk drivers generally experience less traumatic changes in force. "It's not the speed, it's the sudden stop. " Folks stopped get rear-ended by dickhead doing 120, they immediately accelerate tp 120mph and all the associated trauma that comes with that rapid acceleration. They're subjected to more traumatic forces than the guy going 120 undergoing a less traumatic deceleration over time. This explains it very well, thank you. It’s less traumatic to decelerate than accelerate. The deceleration is transferring (losing) energy to the acceleration. Assuming you seat doesn't fail, accelerating is easier to handle than deceleration. One problem is if you are not moving, you are probably not sitting correctly in the seat so it doesn't provide support. Another is that the impact is usually not perfectly inline with the car, so once again no real support from the seat. The reason the impactor(drunk driver) fairs better is they often do not actually decelerate to 0. They bash through the vehicle they hit and coast to a stop in the bushes. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 11:40:18 AM EDT
[#16]
No hope of justice from our law enforcement, legal, judicial or political system.
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Posted: 8/20/2024 11:49:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: stk016]
[#17]
Gen z/alpha is overall completely broken. Raised on screens, social media, and no consequences for their actions
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 11:57:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: So, I can shoot in the general direction of you and your family, as long as I don’t hit anyone it’s okay? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: Originally Posted By NAM: Originally Posted By Creatyre: There's a large contingent on this very forum that believes drinking and driving shouldn't be illegal until you hurt someone... No victim, no crime. So, I can shoot in the general direction of you and your family, as long as I don’t hit anyone it’s okay? He should be totally fine with it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:00:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mda2bushy]
[#19]
editing...
FWPD takes DUI's very very seriously... the recent tragedies are definitely not the byproduct of it being next to impossible to get a DUI/DWI in Tarrant County |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:01:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Not my opinion but not relevant here anyway, in this case he definitely hurt someone. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By Creatyre: Originally Posted By RTX: Unfortunately, it's a cultural norm. Embrace the diversity. There's a large contingent on this very forum that believes drinking and driving shouldn't be illegal until you hurt someone... Not my opinion but not relevant here anyway, in this case he definitely hurt someone. My comment was in response to blaming illegals, not really directed towards this incident. Was simply pointing out that members here are completely OK with it. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: This explains it very well, thank you. It’s less traumatic to decelerate than accelerate. The deceleration is transferring (losing) energy to the acceleration. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: Originally Posted By LineOfDeparture: Drunk drivers generally experience less traumatic changes in force. "It's not the speed, it's the sudden stop. " Folks stopped get rear-ended by dickhead doing 120, they immediately accelerate tp 120mph and all the associated trauma that comes with that rapid acceleration. They're subjected to more traumatic forces than the guy going 120 undergoing a less traumatic deceleration over time. This explains it very well, thank you. It’s less traumatic to decelerate than accelerate. The deceleration is transferring (losing) energy to the acceleration. This doesn't really make any sense to me. The accelerating party is gaining energy in direct correlation to the decelerating party losing energy? |
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USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:05:36 PM EDT
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Illegals driving drunk and killing people is like a fucking cultural past time.
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USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:10:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Illegals driving drunk and killing people is like a fucking cultural past time. And one of them that is legal will go buy 10 cars and the other 9 make payments to them so they all have tags. It's beyond illegal but no DA has time for that. Then they get to feign outrage come election time. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:11:39 PM EDT
[#24]
….of Ft Worth?
Really? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By irons04: I’m ok with that, as long as the punishment is immediate road side execution. Have a judge on call to respond to the scene. Witnesses/responders can be the jury. Road crew can dig the trench. I think texting and driving should be an offense equal to the State’s DUI punishment. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:23:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: I don't generally believe in the death penalty. But there are exceptions. Either ship them off to somalia to fend for themselves, or expedite them to the afterlife. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Erick1744: Probably an illegal also. I doubt it. If he was……we would have heard about it. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:28:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/fort-worth-high-speed-crash-on-35w-leaves-5-people-dead-including-2-children/ Police spokesperson makes it point to say "once the accident report is completed, they'll have more information about his residency, legal status, and things like that..." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/506199/Screen_Shot_2024-08-20_at_9_15_41_AM-3299558.png Doesn't look like he hit the car at 120 mph. I would expect a lot more damage at that kind of speed. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:30:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_M1: One of Biden's "newcomers"? Obomo called these invaders "dreamers". He also alluded to creating a "civilian defense force", just as well funded as the military. It would, of course, be full of "dreamers". |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:31:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drsalee: I doubt it. If he was……we would have heard about it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drsalee: Originally Posted By Erick1744: Probably an illegal also. I doubt it. If he was……we would have heard about it. I thought it was strange that the police spokesperson made it a point to say 'they're waiting for the report to be finalized before commenting on his residency or legal status.' |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:38:15 PM EDT
[#31]
Alcohol makes you weak.
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:39:48 PM EDT
[#32]
What is Eduardo’s citizenship?
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:40:38 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By treelow: What is Eduardo’s citizenship? Police won't say, yet. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:41:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: Interesting they name the color of the car.... "Eduardo Gonzalez" not enough of a clue for you? |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:43:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BolivarBill: "Eduardo Gonzalez" not enough of a clue for you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BolivarBill: Originally Posted By 9divdoc: Interesting they name the color of the car.... "Eduardo Gonzalez" not enough of a clue for you? That's a pretty common name down here in Texas. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CAsoldier: Illegals driving drunk and killing people is like a fucking cultural past time. Every week in Houston. A lot of them wrong way drivers with multiple offenses already. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:48:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Fucking hell. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By NAM: No victim, no crime. Fucking hell. There’s always one…either trying too hard to be edgy or they really believe it. Bet their tune changes when it happens to their family. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:50:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighDesert6920: Wow. So this worthless dirtbag just burned 2 little kids alive...and their families. He's worse than the worst possible child molester or presidential assassin. Fuck that guy to 10th power! We know he's guilty, there's no need for a trial. Just douse him in gas and set him on fire. Nidal Hassan is still alive, it's been 15 years. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:50:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sprtpilot: Illegal alien drunk driving is epidemic and rarely reported. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sprtpilot: Originally Posted By grey50beast: As if dui crashes didn't happen before. 5 people in a sedan sounds like a family Illegal alien drunk driving is epidemic and rarely reported. Usually because they flee the scene and are long gone when the cops show up. Car usually isn’t even registered to them. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:52:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Isenhelm: No hope of justice from our law enforcement, legal, judicial or political system. The cops did their job and arrested the asshole. What the courts decide to do, or not do, is out of the cops hands. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 12:53:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: www-glock19-com]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leib109: Most he can get is 20 years on each count, and the judge can possibly run each sentence consecutively. That may or may not happen. He got 7 years |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 1:02:03 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Fucking hell. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Low_Country: Originally Posted By NAM: No victim, no crime. Fucking hell. |
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Posted: 8/20/2024 1:04:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By flcracker: Did Eduardo have a driver's license and insurance? 🤔 Was he a US citizen? 🤔🤔 This is the kind of information that should be included in news stories. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 2:28:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I thought it was strange that the police spokesperson made it a point to say 'they're waiting for the report to be finalized before commenting on his residency or legal status.' Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Drsalee: Originally Posted By Erick1744: Probably an illegal also. I doubt it. If he was……we would have heard about it. I thought it was strange that the police spokesperson made it a point to say 'they're waiting for the report to be finalized before commenting on his residency or legal status.' "Because by the time the report's finalized, this will have dropped off Page 1..." Not an actual quote, but might as well have been. Grew up in coastal California Ag country. You took your life in your hands, driving around Watsonville, Salinas, never mind the Valley, on Sunday afternoon or evening. For exactly this reason. It's been a cultural norm for a long time, and MADD never really caught on in the non-Anglo communities. I imagine those counties in CA, where now, English is a minority language spoken at home, are a lot worse. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 2:30:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Austin4130: Nidal Hassan is still alive, it's been 15 years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Austin4130: Originally Posted By HighDesert6920: Wow. So this worthless dirtbag just burned 2 little kids alive...and their families. He's worse than the worst possible child molester or presidential assassin. Fuck that guy to 10th power! We know he's guilty, there's no need for a trial. Just douse him in gas and set him on fire. Nidal Hassan is still alive, it's been 15 years. The Feds usually don't kill people via the judicial process. McVeigh being the exception proving the rule. And Hassan was convicted on Federal charges. McLennan County state murder charges, OTOH, he'd have been dead in Huntsville by now. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 2:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: That's a pretty common name down here in Texas. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By BolivarBill: Originally Posted By 9divdoc: Interesting they name the color of the car.... "Eduardo Gonzalez" not enough of a clue for you? That's a pretty common name down here in Texas. 
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Posted: 8/20/2024 2:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wineraner: "Because by the time the report's finalized, this will have dropped off Page 1..." Not an actual quote, but might as well have been. Grew up in coastal California Ag country. You took your life in your hands, driving around Watsonville, Salinas, never mind the Valley, on Sunday afternoon or evening. For exactly this reason. It's been a cultural norm for a long time, and MADD never really caught on in the non-Anglo communities. I imagine those counties in CA, where now, English is a minority language spoken at home, are a lot worse. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wineraner: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Drsalee: Originally Posted By Erick1744: Probably an illegal also. I doubt it. If he was……we would have heard about it. I thought it was strange that the police spokesperson made it a point to say 'they're waiting for the report to be finalized before commenting on his residency or legal status.' "Because by the time the report's finalized, this will have dropped off Page 1..." Not an actual quote, but might as well have been. Grew up in coastal California Ag country. You took your life in your hands, driving around Watsonville, Salinas, never mind the Valley, on Sunday afternoon or evening. For exactly this reason. It's been a cultural norm for a long time, and MADD never really caught on in the non-Anglo communities. I imagine those counties in CA, where now, English is a minority language spoken at home, are a lot worse. That's my assumption as well. My response was to a post saying they doubt it's an illegal, because the news hasn't mentioned it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:32:46 PM EDT
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 Accused drunk driver in deadly Fort Worth crash must wear ankle monitor while out on bond Driver out on bond. You can’t blame the cops for this. Tolerant county is 100% to blame. They let a woman who shot her boyfriend and committed aggravated assault go on probation who then drove drunk and killed a local officer. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:50:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NAM: No victim, no crime.  " />
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:59:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Papposilenus]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NAM: No victim, no crime. state checks out I lived in Wisconsin for a while No where else have I seen drinking and driving as such a cultural norm, including living along the Southern border or a state with a "Bourbon Trail" |
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