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Posted: 9/5/2024 4:14:43 PM EDT
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I met an old West Texas rancher who had an older brother that was killed in an attack by Lipan Apache.
That seems like something that would have happened a long time ago, but it was in his lifetime. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 4:14:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's weird to think about stuff from this perspective. The Berlin Wall has been down longer than it was up. We’re closer to 2072 than 1972 :D |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 4:16:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More and more I believe civilization has risen and collapsed many times in the past. We are a species with amnesia. Just imagine if all the information stored in computers was lost overnight. That could set us back a century possibly. There isn't that much being put in more durable mediums like print anymore.  Maybe aliens visited us at some point when we were just early hominids and told themselves ‘these guys don’t even have writing, next exit!’ and passed us by |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 4:27:01 PM EDT
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Last week I stayed at a bed and breakfast that was built in 1715, which is relatively new by European standards. It’s pretty crazy to think how young the US is.
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Posted: 9/5/2024 7:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is why I used 80 Yes, average. But that's not the point. There were 80-90 year olds in the 1700s through 1800s. Not many, but because they existed the observation/assertion still stands. Sacaleum |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 7:18:15 PM EDT
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Technology and medicine didn't even get serious until the 1850s.
Trains to space flight. electricity. automobiles. computers. communication. Steel. It's fucking unreal what has been done in 175 years. Before that it was pretty much the same for thousands of years. Roads, sewer, fresh water and bridges were a big thing back then. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 7:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Life expectancy in 1775 was only around 35. In 1810 it was only around 40. In 1850 it was still only around 40. In 1890 it was around 45 years. In 1935 it was around 65 years. That brings us to 2000 where average life expectancy was around 77 years old. Now, in 2024, it is around 80. That’s 6 generations (or persons as OP says). You could probably find 3 people in their 80’s over the 250 years, but the average age is a better indicator of the number of generations that have passed. We are still a very young nation. By comparison, the Roman Empire was around for 2000 years. In 1920 Russia, the average male life expectancy was 20 yoa. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 7:27:41 PM EDT
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My grandfather was 23 when the Wright Brothers first flew. He was born just after telephones and electric utilities came into use.
He and his brother played with Morse code. (Original Morse, not International Morse.) His career was as an engineer for the telephone company. One of his sons learned to fly on biplanes, flew B-17s and B-29s and flew airliners from Beech 18s to DC-9s. He later flew biz jets. My grad dad got to watch men walk and drive on the moon, watched it on TV. One of the Wright Brothers talked about mach numbers after WWII. Times are unlikely to advance that much in such a short time again. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 7:28:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Generations are only like 20-30 years. Fertility range is only like 30 years (15-45). The most productive ranges are like 15-65 years. Even life expectancy has abut doubled ove the time period Why would you use 80 as the average life span that also includes the socially useless childhood and elderly ranges? OP’s premise is weak. No, his premise is OK. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 7:34:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The typical life of a nation is about 250 years, and our time is just about up. It is definitely up if the Dems succeed in Damn, Damn, DAMN That is great information and great correct conclusion. Thank You |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 7:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In 1920 Russia, the average male life expectancy was 20 yoa. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 8:01:46 PM EDT
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Strom Thurmond, born in 1902, had his youngest son (Paul Reynolds Thurmond, a South Carolina State Senator) in 1976, so the John Tyler Invitational Stakes continues to be held.
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Posted: 9/5/2024 8:03:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's probably all the way up to 35 by now. unusually high numbers of death by liver cirrhosis. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 8:23:48 PM EDT
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Time is such a trip.
3 of my 4 grandparents were born in the 1890’s I remember my mom and dad bringing my new brother home in 1969. Recall a good friend telling me when she was a little girl she remembered her 3 older brothers walking up their country lane one spring afternoon. They had all just mustered out of the army, WWI, and were just walking up the lane to their house like any other day. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 9:13:58 PM EDT
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My grandfather was born in 1893 and served in WWI.
He had my dad when he was 50 in 1943. Weird to think about. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 9:24:09 PM EDT
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when I was 8 and lived in Kansas there was an old woman that lived up the street who was 95. she told us stories of riding in covered wagons and being ambushed by Indians in the late 1800s. Little house on the prairie was a popular show at that time. I literally felt like I was talking to Laura Ingalls
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Posted: 9/5/2024 9:27:14 PM EDT
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I'm older than the fucking Internet!
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Posted: 9/5/2024 9:46:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm older than the fucking Internet! Which internet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 10:14:09 PM EDT
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Real world example:
My father was born in 1945 and is still alive. His father was born in 1904 and died in 1979. His father was born in 1829 and died in 1912 (he also served in the South Carolina Cavalry) His father was born in 1792 and died in 1865. His father was born in 1762 and died in 1829 (he served in the Continental Army starting at age 14) His father was born in 1722 and died in 1796. I'm only 5 people from when we were still a colony. The past is closer than it seems. |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 10:42:38 PM EDT
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When I was in Ireland this summer, I walked through a library that was almost as old as the US.
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Posted: 9/5/2024 10:58:07 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People normally don't live to be one hundred. My mom just celebrated her 100th birthday…just hope she gave me the right genes…:) |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 11:01:40 PM EDT
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great great granddady tesla and edisons son lost a thumb war for who could first release electricity to humanity courtesy of ..others
usa humans arent even but 1 drop of nut drip off a trenton blade hoes tits old in the context of time |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 7:05:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: great great granddady tesla and edisons son lost a thumb war for who could first release electricity to humanity courtesy of ..others usa humans arent even but 1 drop of nut drip off a trenton blade hoes tits old in the context of time One of the greatest losses to technological progress is Tesla not having any kids. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 7:27:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Real world example: My father was born in 1945 and is still alive. His father was born in 1904 and died in 1979. His father was born in 1829 and died in 1912 (he also served in the South Carolina Cavalry) His father was born in 1792 and died in 1865. His father was born in 1762 and died in 1829 (he served in the Continental Army starting at age 14) His father was born in 1722 and died in 1796. I'm only 5 people from when we were still a colony. The past is closer than it seems. So close, and yet almost entirely forgotten. We only know the names of a small fraction of the people who lived back then, and of them we know only a small portion of what they did and said. Something I ponder often as I pass abandoned buildings on the prairie. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 8:45:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: unusually high numbers of death by liver cirrhosis. And being used as canon fodder... 
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Posted: 9/6/2024 1:16:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Real world example: My father was born in 1945 and is still alive. His father was born in 1904 and died in 1979. His father was born in 1829 and died in 1912 (he also served in the South Carolina Cavalry) His father was born in 1792 and died in 1865. His father was born in 1762 and died in 1829 (he served in the Continental Army starting at age 14) His father was born in 1722 and died in 1796. I'm only 5 people from when we were still a colony. The past is closer than it seems. Interesting ages to have kids. I thought most men until recently had kids in their mid-20s, but based on your response and others it appears mid-30s or even 40 was the norm? Then again, maybe that's not peoples' first kid. My parents and siblings all had kids between early 30s and 40. I'll use 1772 as Gen1 and your father as Gen6 Age of parent when kid was born: Gen 1 - 40 (1762-1772 = 40) Gen 2 - 30 (1792-1762 = 30) Gen 3 - 37 (1829-1792 = 37) Gen 4 - 75 (1904-1829 = 75) Gen5 - 41 (1945-1904 = 41) Congrats on Gen1 living to their 70s in the 1700s. Looks like most of the men there made it to their 70s. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting ages to have kids. I thought most men until recently had kids in their mid-20s, but based on your response and others it appears mid-30s or even 40 was the norm? Then again, maybe that's not peoples' first kid. My parents and siblings all had kids between early 30s and 40. I'll use 1772 as Gen1 and your father as Gen6 Age of parent when kid was born: Gen 1 - 40 (1762-1772 = 40) Gen 2 - 30 (1792-1762 = 30) Gen 3 - 37 (1829-1792 = 37) Gen 4 - 75 (1904-1829 = 75) Gen5 - 41 (1945-1904 = 41) Congrats on Gen1 living to their 70s in the 1700s. Looks like most of the men there made it to their 70s. Many of my paternal ancestors were the middle or later kids. My grandfather was the youngest of 14 siblings, and my great-grandfather was 75 when he was born (my great-grandfather actually outlived his first wife - and his second wife was 41 when my grandfather was born). We do have some stubborn genes. |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:52:47 PM EDT
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Mr grandma was born in 1895 and died in 1998 . . . almost got to see the 21st century. She was still living at home at 102, on her farm, till just a couple months before she passed away
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:55:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Life expectancy in 1775 was only around 35. In 1810 it was only around 40. In 1850 it was still only around 40. In 1890 it was around 45 years. In 1935 it was around 65 years. That brings us to 2000 where average life expectancy was around 77 years old. Now, in 2024, it is around 80. That’s 6 generations (or persons as OP says). You could probably find 3 people in their 80’s over the 250 years, but the average age is a better indicator of the number of generations that have passed. We are still a very young nation. By comparison, the Roman Empire was around for 2000 years. Those aren't generations. Those are consecutive lifespans. Probably why OP used "persons." |
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:56:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please explain this to me in school bus sizes. Most of this is short bus. 
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Posted: 9/6/2024 3:59:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand perfectly well how it works. Like I said, you could find people from 1875 who lived into their 80’s, but they would generally be aristocrats will access to the best health care and nutrition. Your average man lived much less longer. Compare that to today’s average life expectancy which is more than double what it was in 1775. Your average person in the US lives to 80. Simply amazing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Life expectancy in 1775 was only around 35. In 1810 it was only around 40. In 1850 it was still only around 40. In 1890 it was around 45 years. In 1935 it was around 65 years. That brings us to 2000 where average life expectancy is now around 77 years old. That's 6 generations (or persons as OP says). You could probably find 3 people in their 80's over the 250 years, but the average age is a better indicator of the number of generations that have passed. We are still a very young nation. By comparison, the Roman Empire was around for 2000 years. Someone doesn't understand how life expectancy actually works. Infant/childhood deaths skewed the average. There were old people in the 1800's and before, dude. Several of the founding fathers lived into their 80's and one made it to 95. I understand perfectly well how it works. Like I said, you could find people from 1875 who lived into their 80’s, but they would generally be aristocrats will access to the best health care and nutrition. Your average man lived much less longer. Compare that to today’s average life expectancy which is more than double what it was in 1775. Your average person in the US lives to 80. Simply amazing. It didn't help John Jacob Astor IV.
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Posted: 9/6/2024 4:06:04 PM EDT
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Three of my Grandparents went from horse and buggy to see us go to the moon.
My great, great grandmother held me as a child. We have the picture. She was born before the Civil War. |
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