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Posted: Today 12:38:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaredGrey: The problem is not the gang. The problem is the will to act. You go to war with the gang, you go to war with the government. We're not there yet. |
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Posted: Today 12:44:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BoneB1B: You’re assuming that the Leftist assholes in charge are interested in “solving” the “problem” I worked in aurora in 2004 for six months. It was clearly an immigrant-friendly place back then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BoneB1B: Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Doesn't have to be COC. ICE rolls in with flex cuffs and informs every unruly shitbird squatter violent felon and drug dealer that their protected immigration status has been revoked for engaging in illegal activities and they are being deported back to their country of origin immediately--boom/done/problem solved. You’re assuming that the Leftist assholes in charge are interested in “solving” the “problem” I worked in aurora in 2004 for six months. It was clearly an immigrant-friendly place back then. Immigrant-friendly = low(er) cost of living I thought that's what everybody wanted the politicians to create--more affordable housing? |
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Posted: Today 12:46:01 PM EDT
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The only way to fix this country is to end the influx of foreigners. Regardless of who they are, where they're from, or whatever supposed benefits they provide.
We also need to deport all the descendants of post 1965 immigrants who do not have at least one American parent who was a citizen prior to 1965. Americans are being replaced, intentionally. Until we kick out the invaders and Americans start having kids of their own again, there is no changing course. |
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Posted: Today 12:48:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Immigrant-friendly = low(er) cost of living I thought that's what everybody wanted the politicians to create--more affordable housing?  Attached File |
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Posted: Today 12:49:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Immigrant-friendly = low(er) cost of living I thought that's what everybody wanted the politicians to create--more affordable housing? No. We want an American government that works in the interests of Americans, not opening up our country to the rest of the world so they can have a better life. |
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Posted: Today 12:59:36 PM EDT
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I would think that it takes quite a bit of intel to find and apprehend just the gang bangers that are actually doing this without shooting the victims also. Sort of like Hamas living with the Gaza residents and not being able to tell the difference.
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TN, USA
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Posted: Today 1:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMFOTNM: No. We want an American government that works in the interests of Americans, not opening up our country to the rest of the world so they can have a better life. Well that is not going to happen. The government is corrupted by globohomo and they are hell-bent on destroying this country — they have pretty much completed their operation in W Europe. |
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Posted: Today 1:11:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CMiller]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMFOTNM: No. We want an American government that works in the interests of Americans, not opening up our country to the rest of the world so they can have a better life. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMFOTNM: Originally Posted By CMiller: Immigrant-friendly = low(er) cost of living I thought that's what everybody wanted the politicians to create--more affordable housing? No. We want an American government that works in the interests of Americans, not opening up our country to the rest of the world so they can have a better life. Lol That's exactly what they are doing by allowing in so many immigrant workers--helping to keep costs of living for all Americans down with cheap labor. 
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Posted: Today 1:33:01 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMFOTNM: No. We want an American government that works in the interests of Americans, not opening up our country to the rest of the world so they can have a better life. It's OK. They're hiring non-citizens for cops in Chicago. Looks like Aurora got on the bandwagon early. |
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Posted: Today 1:34:04 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world...  Are you suggesting this situation has been resolved to the property owner's satisfaction? Would be great if you had some publication or social media citation that indicates this one is in the "closed case" file. |
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Posted: Today 1:34:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Lol That's exactly what they are doing by allowing in so many immigrant workers--helping to keep costs of living for all Americans down with cheap labor. No, they tell us it helps, but it very clearly doesn't. |
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Posted: Today 1:41:16 PM EDT
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Colorado voted for it, they get what they voted for.
Elections have consequences. |
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Posted: Today 1:48:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... You sure burn a lot of energy carrying water for an ineffective government. 
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Posted: Today 2:08:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... You are a Sick Woman. |
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Posted: Today 2:09:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Not crazy. Just, Lazy, Complacent, and Demoralized. The very Day the manager got beat up, there should have been arrests made. Every illegal within a 5 block radius should have been rounded up. The guilty parties imprisoned, and the rest deported. ^^ This ^^ |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: Today 2:12:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... You mean like the border? Like that problem? How much time do you think is reasonable to address a problem like that? About half a decade or so? Can I expect a response soon? Lies make you sick, Miller. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: Today 2:18:51 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jollyg83: I have it on good ARFCOM authority that they’re receiving nothing but defunct military hardware.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jollyg83: Originally Posted By PeepEater: Foreigners are occupying domestic soil while the military flies pallets of aid to Ukraine and bombs Yemen. I have it on good ARFCOM authority that they’re receiving nothing but defunct military hardware. We are also being told by the same people that it is a good testing ground for developing the latest weapons. Send the weapons to Colorado and the cash to North Carolina. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: Today 2:19:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clarinath: Colorado voted for it, they get what they voted for. Elections have consequences. This is exactly the utopia the party envisioned is it not? Free shit here in Merica come get it and dont forget vote Kamala. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: Today 2:24:20 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: In a world where everything is going apeshit, it's good to know that some things can always be counted on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32329/1000004718_jpg-3351447.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... In a world where everything is going apeshit, it's good to know that some things can always be counted on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32329/1000004718_jpg-3351447.JPG Baghdad Bob was relatively honest compared to Miller. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: Today 2:27:00 PM EDT
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What most people in this thread are missing is that this story, as a violent microcosm of the problem with this administration's incentivizing of illegal immigration, has been getting good traction. And as such, broad swaths of the Democratic establishment, and their media shills, have downplayed or dismissed it.
You should share this story broadly, because they never thought they would have to answer for their actions. |
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Posted: Today 2:34:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMFOTNM: No, they tell us it helps, but it very clearly doesn't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DMFOTNM: Originally Posted By CMiller: Lol That's exactly what they are doing by allowing in so many immigrant workers--helping to keep costs of living for all Americans down with cheap labor. No, they tell us it helps, but it very clearly doesn't. Yeah I know, that horrible economy that Biden/Harris destroyed just won't stop growing and all those people who are doing so badly financially just won't stop paying all the inflated prices no matter how much cheap labor we throw at the problem! Maybe what will fix it is actually LESS cheap labor! What we REALLY need is a good hard recession, or maybe even a good depression. Maybe then we can finally get prices to go back down where they ought to be, and all those bad people will just leave because they can't find any jobs here. THEN America will finally be Great Again! 
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Posted: Today 2:35:28 PM EDT
[#22]
The city is the problem. We all know they would arrest anyone who did what needs to be done.
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WI, USA
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Posted: Today 2:35:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brownbomber: You mean like the border? Like that problem? How much time do you think is reasonable to address a problem like that? About half a decade or so? Can I expect a response soon? Lies make you sick, Miller. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brownbomber: Originally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... You mean like the border? Like that problem? How much time do you think is reasonable to address a problem like that? About half a decade or so? Can I expect a response soon? Lies make you sick, Miller. Technically, a "lie" is an untrue statement told with the intent to deceive. The person may be a liar or just ignorant. |
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Posted: Today 2:38:58 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clarinath: Colorado voted for it, they get what they voted for. Elections have consequences. Let's look at the area of immediate impact, Aurora: https://www.zipdatamaps.com/election-atlas/city/co/aurora/map-of-2020-presidential-election-results-by-voting-precinct 7 precincts went for Trump. 185 went for Biden. Some were close, but most were 2-1 or more. (I hand-counted precincts, so may be off by 1 or 2, but still.) It will be interesting to see how different (or if they're different) those percentages look this time. |
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Posted: Today 2:47:04 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Immigrant-friendly = low(er) cost of living I thought that's what everybody wanted the politicians to create--more affordable housing? If you’re not a troll, your posts have to be some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. |
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Posted: Today 3:09:04 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Primecube: ^^ This ^^ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Primecube: Originally Posted By BillofRights: Not crazy. Just, Lazy, Complacent, and Demoralized. The very Day the manager got beat up, there should have been arrests made. Every illegal within a 5 block radius should have been rounded up. The guilty parties imprisoned, and the rest deported. ^^ This ^^  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 3:16:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: You and peepeater, need to come to grips with the fact that this problem is not caused by a lack money or hardware. People at the top of our government, want this to happen. People in the federal and local government, are Allowing it to happen. Blaming it on the war in Ukraine, is the worst sort of willful ignorance. You guys are afraid to face the truth, but sticking your heads in the sand, is not a viable strategy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By jollyg83: Originally Posted By PeepEater: Foreigners are occupying domestic soil while the military flies pallets of aid to Ukraine and bombs Yemen. I have it on good ARFCOM authority that they’re receiving nothing but defunct military hardware. You and peepeater, need to come to grips with the fact that this problem is not caused by a lack money or hardware. People at the top of our government, want this to happen. People in the federal and local government, are Allowing it to happen. Blaming it on the war in Ukraine, is the worst sort of willful ignorance. You guys are afraid to face the truth, but sticking your heads in the sand, is not a viable strategy. No, but saying that FEMA doesn't have money to help with domestic disaster relief, while .Gov allocates more hundreds of millions afterwards to Ukraine (and doesn't restart/accelerate vital munitions production lines to replace or supplement the ordnance being sent there) shows where this Government's priorities are. As well as their perception of National Defense. .Gov has money and the potential will to handle a problem like this. If an ultra right-wing militia had occupied those apartments, .Gov and .Mil would be in a race to eradicate them. And would be dragging every MSM outlet along. But that's not happening here. We're not disagreeing so much as highlighting different areas that .Gov is concerned about. Here, it looks like .Gov is concerned about anyone trying to stop or even mention the activities of Tren. Not that an American business has had its domestic property expropriated by a foreign quasi-military organization. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 3:19:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Not crazy. Just, Lazy, Complacent, and Demoralized. The very Day the manager got beat up, there should have been arrests made. Every illegal within a 5 block radius should have been rounded up. The guilty parties imprisoned, and the rest deported. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Originally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... Not crazy. Just, Lazy, Complacent, and Demoralized. The very Day the manager got beat up, there should have been arrests made. Every illegal within a 5 block radius should have been rounded up. The guilty parties imprisoned, and the rest deported. 1,000% Had that been done, authority would have been restored. |
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Posted: Today 3:30:53 PM EDT
[#29]
The invasion shall not be televised.
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Posted: Today 3:32:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlashMan-7k]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Lol That's exactly what they are doing by allowing in so many immigrant workers--helping to keep costs of living for all Americans down with cheap labor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By DMFOTNM: Originally Posted By CMiller: Immigrant-friendly = low(er) cost of living I thought that's what everybody wanted the politicians to create--more affordable housing? No. We want an American government that works in the interests of Americans, not opening up our country to the rest of the world so they can have a better life. Lol That's exactly what they are doing by allowing in so many immigrant workers--helping to keep costs of living for all Americans down with cheap labor. No, it doesn't help americans when you bring in illegals who employers don't have to pay ssi or any of the other taxes on to work. What that does is cut the bottom of the jobs market off so that americans cannot get starter jobs. Furthermore, it hides the true cost of SSI and the other costs shovelled onto employers by government. That helps the government hide what they're doing, so that it can get worse, much worse, and when it finally comes to a breaking point (employers can no longer afford to employ most americans because of government driving hiring costs for us up continually) ... the results are much worse than they ever had to be. We should print this ( The seen and the unseen ) out on heavy paper and smack people who post stuff like you just posted in the face with it until they either stop being stupid or go unconscious. Stop being so ignorant of reality already. ETA: In the department of economy, an act, a habit, an institution, a law, gives birth not only to an effect, but to a series of effects. Of these effects, the first only is immediate; it manifests itself simultaneously with its cause — it is seen. The others unfold in succession — they are not seen: it is well for us, if they are foreseen. Between a good and a bad economist this constitutes the whole difference — the one takes account of the visible effect; the other takes account both of the effects which are seen, and also of those which it is necessary to foresee. Now this difference is enormous, for it almost always happens that when the immediate consequence is favourable, the ultimate consequences are fatal, and the converse. Hence it follows that the bad economist pursues a small present good, which will be followed by a great evil to come, while the true economist pursues a great good to come, — at the risk of a small present evil.
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Posted: Today 3:37:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LordEC911: You do realize that the Colorado apartment issues with TdA has been happening since 2023, right? A new property manager started working in Jan 2024... and things escalated throughout April-June when the gang members basically told management they were taking over. Amazing what you can find with a 5sec google search. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-law-firm-report-claims-venezuelan-gang-stranglehold-apartments-takeover-began-2023/ I'm guessing you might get a response to your well informed post sometime in 2025. But that seems like a reasonable timeline for the above poster. IE, don't hold your breath, cause he ain't never gonna respond. |
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Posted: Today 4:15:11 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Lol That's exactly what they are doing by allowing in so many immigrant workers--helping to keep costs of living for all Americans down with cheap labor.  Attached File |
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Posted: Today 5:55:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... Now let's see how quickly someone gets arrested for throwing paint on a pride crosswalk. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: Today 6:26:09 PM EDT
[#34]
Rattlesnakes. Lots of rattlesnakes.
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Posted: Today 6:40:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By optionstrader: I'm guessing you might get a response to your well informed post sometime in 2025. But that seems like a reasonable timeline for the above poster. IE, don't hold your breath, cause he ain't never gonna respond. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By optionstrader: Originally Posted By LordEC911: You do realize that the Colorado apartment issues with TdA has been happening since 2023, right? A new property manager started working in Jan 2024... and things escalated throughout April-June when the gang members basically told management they were taking over. Amazing what you can find with a 5sec google search. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-law-firm-report-claims-venezuelan-gang-stranglehold-apartments-takeover-began-2023/ I'm guessing you might get a response to your well informed post sometime in 2025. But that seems like a reasonable timeline for the above poster. IE, don't hold your breath, cause he ain't never gonna respond. I didn't respond because that information was already in something I had linked and it's not relevant to the point I'm making. I was talking about how everybody reacted when it became national news, and nobody was bothering to notice that the problem wasn't new, arrests had already been made, the locals are working on it, etc. But suddenly when everybody heard about it nationally it became Biden's fault and only Trump can fix it and the government wants people to die because something something... Obviously it's a problem, and obviously it is something for the locals to figure out. It's relevance to the national political conversation is minimal except that Trump & MAGA Media would have you believe that it's the product of some sinister Democrat conspiracy and it's happening in every city in the country. |
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Posted: Today 6:41:52 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cosmo05: Why wait, just eradicate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cosmo05: Originally Posted By BillythePoet: Originally Posted By jollyg83: Except with the border wide the fuck open, they’re back next week. Even if the border gets closed with the right people in office, the dems will open it once they’re back in power. They have their buddies in the right NGOs to get them across and big business can’t wait to employ them for that sweet cheap labor. This requires a more permanent solution. Clip their ear or nose and make sure they understand that the next time they're caught it's a bullet. Why wait, just eradicate. I'm good with immediate execution of illegal immigrants convicted of murder or violent assault/robbery of any nature. |
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Posted: Today 6:45:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Immigrant-friendly = low(er) cost of living I thought that's what everybody wanted the politicians to create--more affordable housing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By BoneB1B: Originally Posted By Eight_Ring: Doesn't have to be COC. ICE rolls in with flex cuffs and informs every unruly shitbird squatter violent felon and drug dealer that their protected immigration status has been revoked for engaging in illegal activities and they are being deported back to their country of origin immediately--boom/done/problem solved. You’re assuming that the Leftist assholes in charge are interested in “solving” the “problem” I worked in aurora in 2004 for six months. It was clearly an immigrant-friendly place back then. Immigrant-friendly = low(er) cost of living I thought that's what everybody wanted the politicians to create--more affordable housing?  |
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Posted: Today 6:45:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: No, it doesn't help americans when you bring in illegals who employers don't have to pay ssi or any of the other taxes on to work. What that does is cut the bottom of the jobs market off so that americans cannot get starter jobs. Furthermore, it hides the true cost of SSI and the other costs shovelled onto employers by government. That helps the government hide what they're doing, so that it can get worse, much worse, and when it finally comes to a breaking point (employers can no longer afford to employ most americans because of government driving hiring costs for us up continually) ... the results are much worse than they ever had to be. We should print this ( The seen and the unseen ) out on heavy paper and smack people who post stuff like you just posted in the face with it until they either stop being stupid or go unconscious. Stop being so ignorant of reality already. ETA: In the department of economy, an act, a habit, an institution, a law, gives birth not only to an effect, but to a series of effects. Of these effects, the first only is immediate; it manifests itself simultaneously with its cause — it is seen. The others unfold in succession — they are not seen: it is well for us, if they are foreseen. Between a good and a bad economist this constitutes the whole difference — the one takes account of the visible effect; the other takes account both of the effects which are seen, and also of those which it is necessary to foresee. Now this difference is enormous, for it almost always happens that when the immediate consequence is favourable, the ultimate consequences are fatal, and the converse. Hence it follows that the bad economist pursues a small present good, which will be followed by a great evil to come, while the true economist pursues a great good to come, — at the risk of a small present evil. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By DMFOTNM: Originally Posted By CMiller: Immigrant-friendly = low(er) cost of living I thought that's what everybody wanted the politicians to create--more affordable housing? No. We want an American government that works in the interests of Americans, not opening up our country to the rest of the world so they can have a better life. Lol That's exactly what they are doing by allowing in so many immigrant workers--helping to keep costs of living for all Americans down with cheap labor. No, it doesn't help americans when you bring in illegals who employers don't have to pay ssi or any of the other taxes on to work. What that does is cut the bottom of the jobs market off so that americans cannot get starter jobs. Furthermore, it hides the true cost of SSI and the other costs shovelled onto employers by government. That helps the government hide what they're doing, so that it can get worse, much worse, and when it finally comes to a breaking point (employers can no longer afford to employ most americans because of government driving hiring costs for us up continually) ... the results are much worse than they ever had to be. We should print this ( The seen and the unseen ) out on heavy paper and smack people who post stuff like you just posted in the face with it until they either stop being stupid or go unconscious. Stop being so ignorant of reality already. ETA: In the department of economy, an act, a habit, an institution, a law, gives birth not only to an effect, but to a series of effects. Of these effects, the first only is immediate; it manifests itself simultaneously with its cause — it is seen. The others unfold in succession — they are not seen: it is well for us, if they are foreseen. Between a good and a bad economist this constitutes the whole difference — the one takes account of the visible effect; the other takes account both of the effects which are seen, and also of those which it is necessary to foresee. Now this difference is enormous, for it almost always happens that when the immediate consequence is favourable, the ultimate consequences are fatal, and the converse. Hence it follows that the bad economist pursues a small present good, which will be followed by a great evil to come, while the true economist pursues a great good to come, — at the risk of a small present evil. I think we have done this already, not going to spend my time doing it again. But for the record, I'm in no way saying that the situation today is perfect and there are no problems. Obviously there are major problems that should have been fixed long ago but every attempt including going back to Bush has been thwarted by Republicans who are maintaining an extreme position that is completely incompatible with the way our political system works. Quite coincidentally that position also is very advantageous for them every campaign cycle. Draw your own conclusions about the true motivation... Sure, it'll be great if nobody was working on the table and proper taxes being paid etc etc etc so we could agree on a long list of things that ought to be happening that aren't. My only point is that none of that means the only solution is to do what Trump is talking about and shutting down the border and kicking them all out. You talk about unintended consequences and downstream implications of the current status quo, how about you be honest about what the unintended consequences and downstream implications would be of Trump actually deporting every single illegal and pending status person in the country? |
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Posted: Today 6:48:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ObsoleteMan: Who is up for a field trip? |
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Posted: Today 6:51:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: Doesn't have to be COC. ICE rolls in with flex cuffs and informs every unruly shitbird squatter violent felon and drug dealer that their protected immigration status has been revoked for engaging in illegal activities and they are being deported |
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Posted: Today 6:53:55 PM EDT
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 Aurora Migrant Gang 'Takeover' |
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Posted: Today 6:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: In a world where everything is going apeshit, it's good to know that some things can always be counted on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32329/1000004718_jpg-3351447.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Label: Originally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... In a world where everything is going apeshit, it's good to know that some things can always be counted on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32329/1000004718_jpg-3351447.JPG Like clockwork. |
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Posted: Today 6:55:58 PM EDT
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Try that shit here, illegals…
lol. I have almost a dozen friends that would stack up and remove those criminal fucks from the gene pool. Shit. I’ve been to Aurora. I’ll travel.., |
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Posted: Today 6:58:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... It's cool for the agencies and entities slowly examine and form a plan lie to the media ITMT?  |
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Posted: Today 7:00:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: Doesn't have to be COC. ICE rolls in with flex cuffs and informs every unruly shitbird squatter violent felon and drug dealer that their protected immigration status has been revoked for engaging in illegal activities and they are being deported back to their country of origin immediately--boom/done/problem solved. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eight_Ring: Originally Posted By saigamanTX: I could tell you what should be done but it's COC after COC Doesn't have to be COC. ICE rolls in with flex cuffs and informs every unruly shitbird squatter violent felon and drug dealer that their protected immigration status has been revoked for engaging in illegal activities and they are being deported back to their country of origin immediately--boom/done/problem solved. That is really all it takes. The reason so many come is because it is practical. If it is impractical they will stop coming. And now illegal immigrant communities are so large that they come even if more expensive or worse than going to a different country. Which is why a larger scale nationwide deportation program is necessary. |
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Posted: Today 7:04:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Can you imagine if we had social media and smart phones in the 70's and 80's and everybody could see what was happening with gangs and the Mafia in inner cities across the country? Aurora would look like a utopia today! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By woodsie: Originally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... We do not live in a proper country with law and order when something this extreme doesn't have at least some kind of response within hours or days. This story has been national news for months and an issue for the actual people living there for what sounds like years now. A foreign gang taking over a neighborhood in the USA? That kind of shit should prompt a massive response from police, immigration, and the FBI. Stories like this make people outraged because they just further people's concerns that their rights aren't being protected by the government which is their number one fucking job. Both the apartment owner and the legitimate tenants have rights which are getting absolutely trampled on by foreign gangs. We are far enough in the timeline on this story that we should be reading stories about about how many of those criminals got body bagged during the SWAT raid to clear them out by now. Instead we are reading a series of tweets from a desperate apartment management company that has all but exhausted all of their options with a completely inept government that can't even do their most important job. Can you imagine if we had social media and smart phones in the 70's and 80's and everybody could see what was happening with gangs and the Mafia in inner cities across the country? Aurora would look like a utopia today! I have memories of what happened when consumer video recorders finally became pervasive enough to capture 1970s-1990s style policing. You may recall when Rodney King got beat within an inch of his life by the LAPD. That particular incident was wrong but it also illustrated that police being impotent wasn't the issue back. They weren't soft on crime, they were just overwhelmed, outgunned, and lacking the tools that we have today. The bad guys in this story are well known and their crimes well documented. Stop making excuses for the government. |
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Posted: Today 7:04:44 PM EDT
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On the bright side, the unfortunate folks forced from their apartments at gunpoint were not murdered by the Saudi Aurora PD.
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Posted: Today 7:06:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Tempting. Only an hour and a half away. But Colorado as a whole has fallen, and I'm reluctant to face off against gangs for a New York corporation. I'm sure they'll be up here soon enough. I'll deal with it then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOTHERmaninblack: Originally Posted By ObsoleteMan: Who is up for a field trip? I'm sure they'll be up here soon enough. I'll deal with it then. Having said that, the longer we wait the harder it's going to be. There shouldn't be any question as to what needs done. Local govt knows what is happening is because the federal govt wants it that way. Those in power fear losing what they have in terms of authority the same way we do in terms of family and what we have built. No, I'm not advocating a violent response per se. What I am saying is we are currently choosing to observe this and bitch about it. Oh, and some are telling us it's normal and we are impatient. When it comes to your hood and mine, we just need to remember that we chose to let it occur with little or no response. |
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Posted: Today 7:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LordEC911: You do realize that the Colorado apartment issues with TdA has been happening since 2023, right? A new property manager started working in Jan 2024... and things escalated throughout April-June when the gang members basically told management they were taking over. Amazing what you can find with a 5sec google search. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-law-firm-report-claims-venezuelan-gang-stranglehold-apartments-takeover-began-2023/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LordEC911: Originally Posted By CMiller: Originally Posted By Jambalaya: Originally Posted By CMiller: When are people going to learn that nothing is static? The fact that government and bureaucracies usually do not react quickly in response to new situations does not mean they never will. This feels like Groundhog's Day. 1. Something happens that is outrageous 2. Because the government does not instantly fix it, it goes viral on the internet, with everybody reacting as if the government will never do anything about it and actually wants the problem to continue unaddressed 3. The government eventually figures things out and gets moving to address the problem 4. By the time the problem is resolved, nobody is paying attention anymore or talking about it, and very few people ever hear about the resolution 5. The mob moves on to the next outrage, and the cycle repeats Call me crazy, but it's almost as if people are more interested in being outraged than seeing problems fixed and understanding how things work in the real world... I first heard about this weeks ago. What kind of timeline do you think is reasonable in a situation like this? The property owner is losing rent revenue while accumulating deficits paying utility bills, taxes and insurance for these.properties, and they are being exposed to wear and tear, possible meth lab chemicals and any of a number of other kinds of damage with every passing minute. A lot depends on whether it is treated as just another crime by law enforcement (take a statement, collect evidence, conduction investigation, try to get an arrest warrant, etc.) vs some kind of escalation that will certainly take some time to figure out. A little detail left out of that story--there have been at least 10 arrests so far: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/09/12/aurora-colorado-venezuelan-gang-stories-debunked/75190566007/ They are working on getting a court order to be able to clear out the properties with problems (story from September 1st): https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/3140506/aurora-colorado-mayor-apartments-troubled-by-venezuelan-gangs/ It's amazing what you can find in 10 seconds on Google! You do realize that the Colorado apartment issues with TdA has been happening since 2023, right? A new property manager started working in Jan 2024... and things escalated throughout April-June when the gang members basically told management they were taking over. Amazing what you can find with a 5sec google search. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-law-firm-report-claims-venezuelan-gang-stranglehold-apartments-takeover-began-2023/ |
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Posted: Today 7:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bravo5two: Similar down playing method as Martha "...the incidents were limited to a handful, a handful.." I knew the d@mn mayor was covering up his @$$ when he denied the problem even existed. So what if the 'slumlords' running sub standards properties? Code enforcement can take care of that! Fact of the matter is the city is letting even one incident with them scumbags gangbangers to take place is irrefutable! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bravo5two: Originally Posted By hockeysew: The media and pile of shit Aurora Mayor are now spinning the story that the management company are slumlords running substandard properties with tens of thousands in fines for code violations. While this may possibly be true it doesn't change anything. Mayor & media covering for migrants Similar down playing method as Martha "...the incidents were limited to a handful, a handful.." I knew the d@mn mayor was covering up his @$$ when he denied the problem even existed. So what if the 'slumlords' running sub standards properties? Code enforcement can take care of that! Fact of the matter is the city is letting even one incident with them scumbags gangbangers to take place is irrefutable! |
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