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Posted: 12/5/2017 12:43:27 PM EDT
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The recently released TAC14 will also be available in the magazine fed version. Each magazine holds six rounds of 12 gauge ammo in 2 3/4 as well as 3-inch shells. Before going into the other models’ let’s talk about the version I was sent for testing. The version in the photos is the Remington 870 DM Magpul. This version comes with all Magpul furniture including the Magpul SGA stock with the Super Cell recoil pad. Magpul MOE M-Lok forend, 18.5 inch Rem Choke barrel with extended ported tactical choke, XS steel front sight with white dot as well as an XS Tactical Rail with a ghost ring rear sight (adjustable). Each 870DM Magpul shotgun comes with a choke tool so the user can remove the tactical choke and replace it with a choke of your choice. The MSRP for the Magpul model is $799.00. The Magpul model will be available shortly while the other models will be released over the next few months. Each shotgun comes with one magazine. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 12:50:57 PM EDT
[#1]
How about they just try to build what they already have in production with 1985 quality control standards?
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Posted: 12/5/2017 12:54:11 PM EDT
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How about they just try to build what they already have in production with 1985 quality control standards? |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 1:15:40 PM EDT
[#3]
That was the big reveal???
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Posted: 12/5/2017 1:20:58 PM EDT
[#4]
A solution to a problem that never existed.
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Posted: 12/5/2017 1:31:59 PM EDT
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A solution to a problem that never existed. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 1:38:55 PM EDT
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What's going on w/ that bolt? Looks like their 3.5" bolt.
Would be interesting if they put this in the 11-87 platform and released 2 round mags. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 1:49:52 PM EDT
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Slow reloads and low capacity with reasonable length barrels? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A solution to a problem that never existed. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 2:07:37 PM EDT
[#8]
look OK, sorta want
much cool |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 2:09:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
How about they just try to build what they already have in production with 1985 quality control standards? |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 2:15:59 PM EDT
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How about they just try to build what they already have in production with 1985 quality control standards? Remington has lost my business because of their crap they are putting out. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 2:18:29 PM EDT
[#11]
No thanks. Happy enough with my 9+1 590A1 and my 5+1 Shockwave.
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Posted: 12/5/2017 2:21:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same capacity as an 18.5" with a mag tube not extending past the muzzle. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 2:32:18 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Same capacity as an 18.5" with a mag tube not extending past the muzzle. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 2:52:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Faster reload is the only advantage that I see. 3 gun competition is the only practical reason for faster reload that I can readily identify. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 4:21:34 PM EDT
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Before going into the other models’ let’s talk about the version I was sent for testing. First, does tube loading still work? Both at same time? |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 4:25:53 PM EDT
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Faster reload is the only advantage that I see. 3 gun competition is the only practical reason for faster reload that I can readily identify. Faster reloads works for competition, hunting, tactical situations. Who doesn't want a gun they can reload faster? |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 4:30:00 PM EDT
[#17]
It's gonna be harder to holster that.
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Posted: 12/5/2017 5:07:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Higher capacity for guns with less than 18 bbls, such as SBS, AOW. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 5:10:43 PM EDT
[#19]
Pump? Why?
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Posted: 12/5/2017 6:21:52 PM EDT
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Pump? Why? This looks like its a standard receiver with a third hole drilled at the front, and replaces the standard lifter/trigger assembly. Shouldn't be hard to adapt to the auto, they likely even have working preproduction models ready to go, they're just waiting to see what market response is. |
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Posted: 12/5/2017 8:16:12 PM EDT
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Interesting idea. But knowing Remington they'll probably be like $600 street price, $50 mags, not reliably eject and rust if you look at them wrong. If they made one that was a bolt on then that would be interesting. I like this because mossberg started a whole thing with the shockwave, then remington copied that, hopefully this is successful enough to make mossberg make something like it but better.
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Posted: 12/5/2017 9:35:42 PM EDT
[#22]
I’m wondering why the choice to modify the 870 design instead of a ground up box fed design?
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Posted: 12/5/2017 9:39:57 PM EDT
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I’m wondering why the choice to modify the 870 design instead of a ground up box fed design? |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 8:48:09 AM EDT
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Looks like side saddles could be a problem.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:27:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like side saddles could be a problem. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:28:50 AM EDT
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The Firearm Blog http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/81348X_REM_870_DM_SYN_TACT_12ga_CYL_BS_TAC14_right.jpg The recently released TAC14 will also be available in the magazine fed version. Each magazine holds six rounds of 12 gauge ammo in 2 3/4 as well as 3-inch shells. Before going into the other models’ let’s talk about the version I was sent for testing. The version in the photos is the Remington 870 DM Magpul. This version comes with all Magpul furniture including the Magpul SGA stock with the Super Cell recoil pad. Magpul MOE M-Lok forend, 18.5 inch Rem Choke barrel with extended ported tactical choke, XS steel front sight with white dot as well as an XS Tactical Rail with a ghost ring rear sight (adjustable). Each 870DM Magpul shotgun comes with a choke tool so the user can remove the tactical choke and replace it with a choke of your choice. The MSRP for the Magpul model is $799.00. The Magpul model will be available shortly while the other models will be released over the next few months. Each shotgun comes with one magazine. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:34:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Higher capacity for guns with less than 18 bbls, such as SBS, AOW. Faster reloads works for competition, hunting, tactical situations. Who doesn't want a gun they can reload faster? I can't top off my shotgun with the mags...although in defensive encounters they typically don't need to be topped off anyway. A mag-fed shotgun isn't a terrible idea, but it's not a game changer either. I just don't care to have a shotgun I can't port/emergency load. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:35:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. This doesn't combat load. You just carry more mags. I'm assuming here you are referring to port loading with an empty mag still in the gun. I can already reload a shotgun fast. They are, in fact, *really* fast to reload if properly set up. They are slower to load to FULL CAPACITY, but not slower to reload to EFFECTIVE FIGHTING CAPABILITY. Making the shotgun mag fed makes it a bit quicker to load to full capacity, but slower and more difficult to load to effective fighting capability. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 10:49:59 AM EDT
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I am really laughing @ the old salts who are recycling the arguments against the Garand.
You can always top off a mag - drop the half full mag, and load a full one. It sounds like the 1930's in here. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 11:51:54 AM EDT
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Not really. This doesn't combat load. You just carry more mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Looks like side saddles could be a problem. 
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Posted: 12/6/2017 1:03:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My only concern with that is little retainer wing deals that are up around the rim don't exactly look confidence-inspiringly durable. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/01769904bcfbefd14d4a06c845ec45e473c43c98a1-2.jpg |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 1:15:37 PM EDT
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They should last longer than the finish.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 2:09:34 PM EDT
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They should last longer than the finish. 
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Posted: 12/6/2017 2:53:21 PM EDT
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I am really laughing @ the old salts who are recycling the arguments against the Garand. You can always top off a mag - drop the half full mag, and load a full one. It sounds like the 1930's in here. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 5:14:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not really. This doesn't combat load. You just carry more mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Looks like side saddles could be a problem. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 5:49:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Side saddles are attached to the gun and not going anywhere. Grabbing more mags isn't the same thing. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 6:10:18 PM EDT
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I don't see anything that would prevent single loading? It doesn't have a bolt hold open from the one video I saw, I can't say if it would get caught in the mag or not if you just throw one in, but it seems like it is a plausibility at least. Not going to jump on these off the bat since lol freedom group quality control, but I hope mossberg makes one.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 6:12:34 PM EDT
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Is their some giant sale at remington or something? their website keeps crashing.
http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/remington.com.html |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 6:55:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ducks. Start w/ 3 rounds in the gun, and now you can keep feeding it 2 rounds @ a time, instead of 1. Only thing faster would be a triple bbl w/ moon clips. Problem is Remington's only releasing 3 & 6 round mags, so you'll have to block the 3 rnd mags to 2. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 7:47:57 PM EDT
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The tac-14 version might be fun for blasting at the range.
Is it just me, or does that mag release look like it could accidentally get bumped by the hand pulling back on the forend? especially on the 14" version where you don't want your hand too far forward to begin with. 
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Posted: 12/6/2017 7:54:43 PM EDT
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My take:
Subpar design with poor ergonomics. Overpriced. I'd maybe pay $300 for it, with a 2nd mag. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 9:39:22 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True, but I think a good duck hunter can put 1-2 rounds in the tube in probably about the same amount of time it takes to drop the mag, pull out a new one, throw back on the gun. I think the value for hunting is probably minimal. Sure, we've all wished we had more rounds in the gun when the birds are tornadoing into to the decoys, but I don't see this significantly changing the game for waterfowl. For $800 I think I could get a much better duck gun. Despite the ridiculous price, my initial math for ducks was wrong. Since you can't insert a full 3 round mag on a closed bolt, every mag you throw in has your next 3 shots. I think they designed it that way, and put the mag release up front, for duck hunters - and are now trying to sell the wrong mag and mag release to the security folks. So your buddy has one of these new-fangled things, and a ton of loaded mags w/ HeviShot. You have a 3.5" autoloader w/ whatever legal load you can think of. Given a strong arm, your buddy can fire nearly 3 shots in the same time as you, but you have to reload 1 @ a time. Every time he reloads, he pops 3 in. You'll be close @ 1st, but eventually he'll outrun you. If Remington sticks around, AND if these mags stick around, Remington will put this in a stretched 11-87. With 3" Heavi-Shot or the equivalent, that would be the highest output duck gun - even faster than Saigas, that can only reload 2 @ a time. Only thing faster would be a triple bbl w/ moon clips, and I'm not sure it would be faster than this magazine on a stretched 11-87. OK. So this design has been kicking around Remington for a bit, and unfortunately it's one of their Hail Mary passes. This magazine was designed for DUCKS. That's why you can't close the bolt on a full mag. It's designed for the 3 round limit on duck guns. And for that, particularly if it makes it into semi-autos, it will be the fastest thing at 32 degrees in the rain at o'dark thirty. The 6 shot mag is an afterthought. And you CAN load the mag on a closed bolt, @John_Wayne777 , you just have to download the mag a round. And then you can pop the bolt back a bit and slam it shut on something you popped in through the ejection port. And @M1-Ed will just have to get used to the fact that shotguns are now more like his M1.
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Posted: 12/6/2017 11:04:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're asking $800 for it? Bwahahaha! Despite the ridiculous price, my initial math for ducks was wrong. Since you can't insert a full 3 round mag on a closed bolt, every mag you throw in has your next 3 shots. I think they designed it that way, and put the mag release up front, for duck hunters - and are now trying to sell the wrong mag and mag release to the security folks. |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 11:44:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The magpul model is $800 msrp, the sporter synthetic and wood models are $ 529 msrp
I like the idea of what they're doing, but 2.5x the price of a Maverick 88 that takes 87% of 500 accessories? I don't think it will sell @ anywhere close to their MSRP. |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 12:51:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Street price after post-rust rebate $150?
I like the idea of what they're doing, but 2.5x the price of a Maverick 88 that takes 87% of 500 accessories? I don't think it will sell @ anywhere close to their MSRP. Idk how much exactly rustington street prices vary from MSRP, but from looking at their website and online at an 870 express, it's at least $100, probably $200 less on sale from MSRP. Even at $329 this would be a hard sell for me, based more on the absolute horror stores I've heard from modern remington than the idea itself. Plus I bet they'll rape you on the mags, $50 for one that is junk probably. I feel like it'd be better as a bolt on accessory, curious to see how much of the parts are interchangeability with a regular 870 and how much modification they did. I hope this is a success so we see the mossberg version for $200 less than the remington and made better I wish I was a hollywood armorer or props guy so I could pick one of these up, sbs it and do silly stuff and write it off as a business expense. I'd either do a Serbu super shorty type with the breacher end,metal folding grip and a choate top folder and cut all the polymer junk coating off the mag, or cut it to 12" and put a LEO top folder and walnut forend on it. |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 1:22:22 AM EDT
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Just a heads up, well, two I suppose.
According to Remington's official release video, magazines will msrp at $35 each. Also, the Predator model...once my lgs can get availability, and if the price is right, I might be ordering one through them. It is /everything/ I could want for such a beast down to the camo. |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 1:28:55 AM EDT
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Just a heads up, well, two I suppose. According to Remington's official release video, magazines will msrp at $35 each. Also, the Predator model...once my lgs can get availability, and if the price is right, I might be ordering one through them. It is /everything/ I could want for such a beast down to the camo. |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 3:46:51 PM EDT
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Faster reload is the only advantage that I see. 3 gun competition is the only practical reason for faster reload that I can readily identify. |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 9:09:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're asking $800 for it? Bwahahaha! Despite the ridiculous price, my initial math for ducks was wrong. Since you can't insert a full 3 round mag on a closed bolt, every mag you throw in has your next 3 shots. I think they designed it that way, and put the mag release up front, for duck hunters - and are now trying to sell the wrong mag and mag release to the security folks. So your buddy has one of these new-fangled things, and a ton of loaded mags w/ HeviShot. You have a 3.5" autoloader w/ whatever legal load you can think of. Given a strong arm, your buddy can fire nearly 3 shots in the same time as you, but you have to reload 1 @ a time. Every time he reloads, he pops 3 in. You'll be close @ 1st, but eventually he'll outrun you. If Remington sticks around, AND if these mags stick around, Remington will put this in a stretched 11-87. With 3" Heavi-Shot or the equivalent, that would be the highest output duck gun - even faster than Saigas, that can only reload 2 @ a time. Only thing faster would be a triple bbl w/ moon clips, and I'm not sure it would be faster than this magazine on a stretched 11-87. OK. So this design has been kicking around Remington for a bit, and unfortunately it's one of their Hail Mary passes. This magazine was designed for DUCKS. That's why you can't close the bolt on a full mag. It's designed for the 3 round limit on duck guns. And for that, particularly if it makes it into semi-autos, it will be the fastest thing at 32 degrees in the rain at o'dark thirty. The 6 shot mag is an afterthought. And you CAN load the mag on a closed bolt, @John_Wayne777 , you just have to download the mag a round. And then you can pop the bolt back a bit and slam it shut on something you popped in through the ejection port. And @M1-Ed will just have to get used to the fact that shotguns are now more like his M1. |
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Posted: 12/7/2017 10:23:54 PM EDT
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Problem there is (almost) no one uses a pump for competition, unless in very specific divisions. It is all semi auto. Plus, magazine fed immediately places the competitor in OPEN division, regardless of how the shotgun operates. Frankly it looks like a solution to a problem no one had. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Faster reload is the only advantage that I see. 3 gun competition is the only practical reason for faster reload that I can readily identify. |
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