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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:42:10 AM EDT
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CAT or SOFTT
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:45:40 AM EDT
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CAT or SOFTT-W FIFY 
ETA: if you get a CAT, get the new Gen 7 so you don't have to worry about the single buckle/double buckle use as it only has a single buckle now so you don't have to think. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:47:43 AM EDT
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CAT or SOFTT-W FIFY
Thanks. 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:49:13 AM EDT
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I personally like the CAT....I carry one on duty, on my belt with a RIGID case, and have another in my IFAK. Nothing wrong with the other, as I have used both (in training) but my personal preference is CAT.
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:56:42 AM EDT
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ETA: if you get a CAT, get the new Gen 7 so you don't have to worry about the single buckle/double buckle use as it only has a single buckle now so you don't have to think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CAT or SOFTT-W FIFY
ETA: if you get a CAT, get the new Gen 7 so you don't have to worry about the single buckle/double buckle use as it only has a single buckle now so you don't have to think. Yep. We always fixed it to single on the older CATs anyway. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 10:01:37 AM EDT
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First post nailed it.
Stay the FUCK away from anything that ratchets. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 10:18:52 AM EDT
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Also, if you're making an IFAK for your battle belt or plate carrier, consider getting two TQs.
It's becoming common thought to apply two TQs in certain cases. Make sure you consider placement as well. At least one should be centrally located, so it can be easily reached by either hand. 
You can make your own retainer mechanism with about a foot of shock chord. Here is an example of what NOT to do. 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:46:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:50:14 AM EDT
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Get a rats- you can always use it to secure extra gear to your pack or dock your boat
The new CAT gen 7 and SOFT-W are both excellent TQs and backed up by a ton of legitimate testing and use . If you are new to TQs why don't you get both and train on each to see which on you prefer . they are relatively inexpensive in the grand scheme of things- it's only life saving equipment |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:53:58 AM EDT
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Get a rats- you can always use it to secure extra gear to your pack or dock your boat No. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:55:42 AM EDT
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Get a rats- you can always use it to secure extra gear to your pack or dock your boat No. My original post was a joke- was adding the rest when you posted |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:56:26 AM EDT
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My original post was a joke- was adding the rest when you posted Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get a rats- you can always use it to secure extra gear to your pack or dock your boat No. My original post was a joke- was adding the rest when you posted
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Posted: 5/3/2016 11:59:05 AM EDT
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Interesting
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:04:10 PM EDT
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Just got a SOFTT-W,
What's the best way to carry it by my IFAK? The little Tec-Lok buckle hard-cases they sell for them? I like the advice to carry two, or one midline so both arms can reach it, but mine right now is more for range/class use, where I figure I'll have to help some goober that Tex Grebner's his own bottox..
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:07:45 PM EDT
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Just got a SOFTT-W, What's the best way to carry it by my IFAK? The little Tec-Lok buckle hard-cases they sell for them? I like the advice to carry two, or one midline so both arms can reach it, but mine right now is more for range/class use, where I figure I'll have to help some goober that Tex Grebner's his own bottox..
I don't like the hard cases myself. I think they're a waste of money, but that's just preference. I've used everything from rubber bands to hair bands, but now I use a pair of 5" lengths of shock chord with the little retention clips. So basically anywhere you've got some molle hanging around. I'll get some pics when I get home. These thingys: 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:08:17 PM EDT
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I see a lot of people rocking these too.
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Posted: 5/3/2016 12:31:38 PM EDT
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I think I have decided to get the CAT tourniquet. Where should I buy one from? A company called "live action safety" has the for 28$ shipped has anyone ordered from them before?
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Posted: 5/3/2016 1:16:36 PM EDT
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I see a lot of people rocking these too. http://www.skdtac.com/v/vspfiles/photos/MZT.112-2.jpg Excellent TQ pouch from marz. Been using them for years. Works with all SOFT-T versions and CATs |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 1:17:52 PM EDT
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I think I have decided to get the CAT tourniquet. Where should I buy one from? A company called "live action safety" has the for 28$ shipped has anyone ordered from them before? Make sure you get the Gen 7 Cat, has a beefed up windless. The picture on their website is the older version |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 1:30:14 PM EDT
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Make sure you get the Gen 7 Cat, has a beefed up windless. The picture on their website is the older version Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think I have decided to get the CAT tourniquet. Where should I buy one from? A company called "live action safety" has the for 28$ shipped has anyone ordered from them before? Make sure you get the Gen 7 Cat, has a beefed up windless. The picture on their website is the older version I'll be sure to look out for that thanks. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 1:38:16 PM EDT
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I'll be sure to look out for that thanks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think I have decided to get the CAT tourniquet. Where should I buy one from? A company called "live action safety" has the for 28$ shipped has anyone ordered from them before? Make sure you get the Gen 7 Cat, has a beefed up windless. The picture on their website is the older version I'll be sure to look out for that thanks. Only buy from North American Rescue. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 2:05:15 PM EDT
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Only buy from North American Rescue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think I have decided to get the CAT tourniquet. Where should I buy one from? A company called "live action safety" has the for 28$ shipped has anyone ordered from them before? Make sure you get the Gen 7 Cat, has a beefed up windless. The picture on their website is the older version I'll be sure to look out for that thanks. Only buy from North American Rescue. I'll be sure to order from them thanks for the tip. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 2:06:51 PM EDT
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Just got a SOFTT-W, What's the best way to carry it by my IFAK? The little Tec-Lok buckle hard-cases they sell for them? I like Tactical Tailor's TQ pouch. Keeps most of the TQ covered from dirt/dust and UV, and it's easy to rip it out. Addressing the original question: Take your pick- CAT or SOFFT-W. Disregard the rest. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 2:18:00 PM EDT
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Be very, very careful about buying tourniquets.
They actually make airsoft versions, that to an untrained eye, appear ok. Until you apply pressure, then the windlass snaps off. Where I work they have seen a couple. So, most of the time, I buy cheapest, but in that particular case, I buy from a known, reputable source. Also, if you use hard carriers, potentially, the mod 7 CAT won't fit earlier model carriers. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 2:20:08 PM EDT
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Be very, very careful about buying tourniquets. They actually make airsoft versions, that to an untrained eye, appear ok. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Be very, very careful about buying tourniquets. They actually make airsoft versions, that to an untrained eye, appear ok. Yep, and even sold as a second search result on Amazon. Scary shit, that's why I mentioned this. Quoted:
Only buy from North American Rescue. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 2:22:02 PM EDT
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Addressing the original question: Take your pick- CAT or SOFFT-W. Disregard the rest. You don't want one that looks like rope or a plastic cord. You want one that operates on the principle of a wide band to occlude the artery or vein. The new ones are kinda complicated. I don't recommend using the one you carry to train with. I have a blue one for training - and you really do need to practice. It looks retarded, but remember, the tq on you is for you. You may need to apply it while you're spurting. Source: I know little about them, but I work in a place that teaches it |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 2:24:20 PM EDT
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the tq on you is for you. All of the stuff on you is for you. 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 2:42:08 PM EDT
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the tq on you is for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
the tq on you is for you. I hate this statement. The TQ on you is for whoever needs it, yourself included. Quoted:
I see a lot of people rocking these too. http://www.skdtac.com/v/vspfiles/photos/MZT.112-2.jpg If you are going with CAT, get an enclosed pouch like the one described here. They are very sensitive to abrasion and even UV light. I have TQ now holders made by BFG with CATs in my front because they are one handed and keep two SOFT-TW's in enclosed pouches (one on belt, one on side of carrier), but I have actually switched those to SOFT-TW's too recently since I was just tired of replacing my CATs after every couple missions,. I keep one of the TQ now's on every bag and a couple on all of my plate carriers. 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 2:57:05 PM EDT
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What are you doing that's damaging the CAT's?
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:05:16 PM EDT
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Yep, and even sold as a second search result on Amazon. Scary shit, that's why I mentioned this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Be very, very careful about buying tourniquets. They actually make airsoft versions, that to an untrained eye, appear ok. Yep, and even sold as a second search result on Amazon. Scary shit, that's why I mentioned this. Quoted:
Only buy from North American Rescue. I just ordered the CAT from https://www.narescue.com/combat-application-tourniquet-c-a-t So I should be good and get a legitimate tourniquet now right? |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:05:51 PM EDT
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What are you doing that's damaging the CAT's? Rubbing against stuff, UV breaks them down standing in the sun, etc. Even my SOFTTs fray after 6 months or so, but they last longer than CATs. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:06:15 PM EDT
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I just ordered the CAT from https://www.narescue.com/combat-application-tourniquet-c-a-t So I should be good and get a legitimate tourniquet now right? Yessir. 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:07:46 PM EDT
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I just ordered the CAT from https://www.narescue.com/combat-application-tourniquet-c-a-t So I should be good and get a legitimate tourniquet now right? Yessir. Thank you so I want to carry this on my belt do they make any good belt mounts for the CAT tourniquet? |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:08:00 PM EDT
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I hate this statement. The TQ on you is for whoever needs it, yourself included. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the tq on you is for you. I hate this statement. The TQ on you is for whoever needs it, yourself included. You and I know this, but for clarification, I still appreciate it's origins. This comes from the self aid before buddy aid mantra, and basically teaches you to use the stuff on your buddy's kit before you use yours. Or course, if your buddy doesn't have kit, then you use your own. I can see how people would frown about the statement though, if it's taken literally as "Fuck you, this is my TQ, I won't use it on you while you bleed out". |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:11:13 PM EDT
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Thank you so I want to carry this on my belt do they make any good belt mounts for the CAT tourniquet? Just a regular 1.5" belt? If so, these are nice looking, and functional. http://www.amazon.com/Eleven-10-T%C2%AE-Tourniquet-Attachment/dp/B00YT60HAE |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:15:32 PM EDT
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Rubbing against stuff, UV breaks them down standing in the sun, etc. Even my SOFTTs fray after 6 months or so, but they last longer than CATs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What are you doing that's damaging the CAT's? Rubbing against stuff, UV breaks them down standing in the sun, etc. Even my SOFTTs fray after 6 months or so, but they last longer than CATs. That's weird. I just went through a tote of blue trainers. These are carted to TCCC courses around the country. Only thing I really see is some fuzz on the pile loop. I would expect some white discoloration in the windlasses, but I don't even see that. Has Composite Resources been made aware of this, or are they addressing it? (...toddles off to go find their page) |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:17:39 PM EDT
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What are you doing that's damaging the CAT's? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What are you doing that's damaging the CAT's? EOD shit, general soldiery. Quoted:
Rubbing against stuff, UV breaks them down standing in the sun, etc. Even my SOFTTs fray after 6 months or so, but they last longer than CATs. CATs are extremely susceptible to abrasion, and like you stated, they break down with UV light as well. On the front of my kit I would have to swap out CATs like once a month. Once I started wearing SOFT-T's in front I have yet to see them even start to wear down, been wearing them in that position since about late January. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:18:13 PM EDT
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Just a regular 1.5" belt? If so, these are nice looking, and functional. http://www.amazon.com/Eleven-10-T%C2%AE-Tourniquet-Attachment/dp/B00YT60HAE Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank you so I want to carry this on my belt do they make any good belt mounts for the CAT tourniquet? Just a regular 1.5" belt? If so, these are nice looking, and functional. http://www.amazon.com/Eleven-10-T%C2%AE-Tourniquet-Attachment/dp/B00YT60HAE It's a 1.75 in belt, crap sorry any other options? |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:19:54 PM EDT
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That's weird. I just went through a tote of blue trainers. I would assume wearing them every day during combat operations is a bit different. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:20:54 PM EDT
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It's a 1.75 in belt, crap sorry any other options? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank you so I want to carry this on my belt do they make any good belt mounts for the CAT tourniquet? Just a regular 1.5" belt? If so, these are nice looking, and functional. http://www.amazon.com/Eleven-10-T%C2%AE-Tourniquet-Attachment/dp/B00YT60HAE It's a 1.75 in belt, crap sorry any other options? The carrier at that link will work for that belt. (fits on belts up to 2.25" including most brands of police duty belts) |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:23:36 PM EDT
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Once I started wearing SOFT-T's in front I have yet to see them even start to wear down, been wearing them in that position since about late January. Mine is worn top center on my PC, so vehicle belts and slings rub on it constantly. I'll snag a pic in a bit. Honestly, I think not wearing the kit wears on it more, because I'm dragging it in and out of trunks/bags, plus seatbelt wear. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:26:30 PM EDT
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The carrier at that link will work for that belt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thank you so I want to carry this on my belt do they make any good belt mounts for the CAT tourniquet? Just a regular 1.5" belt? If so, these are nice looking, and functional. http://www.amazon.com/Eleven-10-T%C2%AE-Tourniquet-Attachment/dp/B00YT60HAE It's a 1.75 in belt, crap sorry any other options? The carrier at that link will work for that belt. (fits on belts up to 2.25" including most brands of police duty belts) Crap thanks lol my bad!! |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 6:42:52 PM EDT
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SOFT-TW CAT degrades too easily, SOFT-T's have a metal windlass and actual nylon constriction band, and the new SOFT-TW's have a flat metal securing hasp that is much faster and more secure, and wider band. Older one on left, wide on right <a href="http://s107.photobucket.com/user/daemon734/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160309_234314_zpson5bvijq.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/daemon734/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160309_234314_zpson5bvijq.jpg</a> width difference (reversed) <a href="http://s107.photobucket.com/user/daemon734/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160309_234442_zpsw6omvjcc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/daemon734/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160309_234442_zpsw6omvjcc.jpg</a> While I'm not questioning you, I've heard the opposite from guys overseas. The CAT's don't break when you use them. The SOFTTW sometimes does. Just what I hear though. There is also an article floating around outlining the different TQ's and after testing the CAT and SOFTW the people liked them both but preferred the CAT. |
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Posted: 5/3/2016 6:55:28 PM EDT
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I carry both. They each have an advantage. But my CATs stay in an enclosed pouch because of issues mentioned above. I like the SORD pouch for that purpose.
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Posted: 5/3/2016 7:01:55 PM EDT
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While I'm not questioning you, I've heard the opposite from guys overseas. The CAT's don't break when you use them. The SOFTTW sometimes does. Just what I hear though. There is also an article floating around outlining the different TQ's and after testing the CAT and SOFTW the people liked them both but preferred the CAT. I've never deployed, but my experience mirrors his. Here's a pic of my SOFTTW after about six months. You can see the windlass strapping starting to fray. 
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Posted: 5/3/2016 9:42:01 PM EDT
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I use a BFG Tourniquet Now to mount my SOFTT-W to my vest. It's left of center of mass, easy to grab.
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Posted: 5/4/2016 1:08:45 AM EDT
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While I'm not questioning you, I've heard the opposite from guys overseas. The CAT's don't break when you use them. The SOFTTW sometimes does. Just what I hear though. There is also an article floating around outlining the different TQ's and after testing the CAT and SOFTW the people liked them both but preferred the CAT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SOFT-TW CAT degrades too easily, SOFT-T's have a metal windlass and actual nylon constriction band, and the new SOFT-TW's have a flat metal securing hasp that is much faster and more secure, and wider band. Older one on left, wide on right <a href="http://s107.photobucket.com/user/daemon734/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160309_234314_zpson5bvijq.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/daemon734/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160309_234314_zpson5bvijq.jpg</a> width difference (reversed) <a href="http://s107.photobucket.com/user/daemon734/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160309_234442_zpsw6omvjcc.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/daemon734/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160309_234442_zpsw6omvjcc.jpg</a> While I'm not questioning you, I've heard the opposite from guys overseas. The CAT's don't break when you use them. The SOFTTW sometimes does. Just what I hear though. There is also an article floating around outlining the different TQ's and after testing the CAT and SOFTW the people liked them both but preferred the CAT. Well, im overseas now working for a SOF element and they do not allow CATs anymore. I have never heard of a SOFT-T breaking, ever. Most people preferred CATs because of the large screw and buckle on the SOFT-T and the fact that the CAT could be used one handed. The SOFT-T wides fixed both issues, |
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Posted: 5/4/2016 2:43:00 AM EDT
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While I'm not questioning you, I've heard the opposite from guys overseas. The CAT's don't break when you use them. The SOFTTW sometimes does. Just what I hear though. I'd recheck your info- the SOFTT has always had an aluminum winless -kinda hard to break that. The SOFTT hasn't had too many versions- original started out with a silver winless and black "alligator" clip. Gen 2 went to black winless. SOFTT-W was then introduced- it was wider, and replaced the alligator clip with a flat " j " hook and d type ring. It was later updated with new webbing and a non slip material added ( this was also done to original SOFTT as well) . There is a new version of the SOFTT-W due out later this month -the j hook buckle is being replaced with an easier to use version. The updates have been more practical then a fix for breakage The CAT is a good TQ, but has had issues with the winless breaking . It is also widely know to be degraded due to constant UV exposure. Hopefully the new Gen 7 will address the winless breakage issues I have had once since January and haven't broken it yet |
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Posted: 5/5/2016 10:22:02 AM EDT
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I'm forever a Tactical Medical Solutions (SOF-T and such) customer after they way I was taken care of after receiving a fake from Amazon. They make a phenomenal product and really stand behind it.
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1760175 |
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