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Posted: 9/28/2023 9:33:05 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: As it it was explained to me - If you are sneaking around, but something happens that you are expecting a multiple mag firefight why would you want the extra weight, the blow back mess, and a red hot branding iron on the end of your rifle? I have no idea if that's a doctrine, or just a couple dude's opinions. Makes sense to me. It may be total bull shit. Makes sense to me too, thanks man. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2023 3:18:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1168RGR: Opinions vary on this topic among Warfighters. Generally, neither fast-on nor fast-off are particularly valued, as its either on or off all the time, or at least the duration of a mission, and there are often SOPs for this, particularly in top-shelf units. I feel the same, it just sounds odd to me that anyone at any level would take time out of a firefight to take on or off their suppressor. Once you start shooting and the can gets hot, it is probably staying on because removing it is just as dangerous as the incoming lead. If you got ambushed, I highly doubt you would take time to pull a suppressor out and attach it. The only super niche case that I can think of is being in a very cold environment (interior Alaska) and the heat haze from the suppressor is actually making it hard to aim. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 3:29:12 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: The combat guys I know say the opposite. The can is nice going in, but when it gets time to start really blasting they don't want the can on any more. YMMV. I was just clearing up what I believe Ryan was saying. He was saying I believe that fast attach is more important. I wasn’t saying one way or another. I believe quick detach is better personally. But I finally got the RC2 in jail this past week after really hearing it in person. I’m stoked. I may do a 762 RC3. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2023 7:13:27 PM EDT
[#4]
Be funny if they change the attachment method, ie: different muzzle device.
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Posted: 9/29/2023 7:26:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: I feel the same, it just sounds odd to me that anyone at any level would take time out of a firefight to take on or off their suppressor. Once you start shooting and the can gets hot, it is probably staying on because removing it is just as dangerous as the incoming lead. If you got ambushed, I highly doubt you would take time to pull a suppressor out and attach it. The only super niche case that I can think of is being in a very cold environment (interior Alaska) and the heat haze from the suppressor is actually making it hard to aim. I would agree- I never took my can off on a mission. I did hear one guy tell the circumstances under which he had though. I lived at SF team houses two years in Iraq. I had a conversation once with a SF guy and he mentioned being in an underground tunnel and taking his NT4 off because the space was tight. That guy was training up for OTC. <I personally thought if I was in a tight space I'd be extra happy to have the can, because the thought of how loud a MK18 would be in a tight space would cross my mind, but he was a good operator and actually told me he had taken off his can on the last mission, during a clearing operation. He might have been thinking about getting into hand to hand combat with a guy and thinking he'd be better deaf than dead, but with the physical strength he had, I wouldn't see a reason to worry about not overpowering an Iraqi person in hand to hand combat either. They had olympic strength training coaches stateside. Maybe his concern was articulating the rifle left or right? In SF, sometimes the whole team isn't super motivated, and you see who is, by who is in the gym, and who is on the range conducting personal improvement training. That conversation happened over firearms- he was talking parts and stuff, he had a CQD foregrip, a VLTOR FDE clubfoot stock, a VTAC sling and rail sling mount, (that's all I can remember). They had just gotten issued the new FDE color NT4's (this was 2009). He hadn't even fired his yet- it had the purple and gold heat treated color to the machined face of the blast baffle. He mentioned he was going to keep the can in better shape for missions, and was planning not to run it much on the range. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/30/2023 6:24:02 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: I feel the same, it just sounds odd to me that anyone at any level would take time out of a firefight to take on or off their suppressor. Once you start shooting and the can gets hot, it is probably staying on because removing it is just as dangerous as the incoming lead. If you got ambushed, I highly doubt you would take time to pull a suppressor out and attach it. The only super niche case that I can think of is being in a very cold environment (interior Alaska) and the heat haze from the suppressor is actually making it hard to aim.  The SpecOps guys I've known are just like the other military guys and cops I've known- some know their shit, and some are full of shit. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:22:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StillGonnaSendIt: I may do a 762 RC3. Same. Do we know when those will be released? |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 8:29:53 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By S-1: Same. Do we know when those will be released? According to OP it looks like 10/12 is the release date for any announcements. |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 3:28:06 PM EDT
[#9]
Anyone certify one yet?
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Posted: 10/5/2023 7:20:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By S-1: Same. Do we know when those will be released? Wonder if they’ll do an RC3 300 as well? Or if they’ll even do the 7.62 right now. I’d do the 7.62 but for 556 I’m satisfied with my RC2 choices. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/10/2023 2:52:33 PM EDT
[#11]
My LGS has a landing page for the RC3, but no stock or picture. Priced at $1,799. I have 2-RC2’s and I was thinking I would buy an RC3 when released. I’ll hold off until some reviews come out at that price point.
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Posted: 10/10/2023 3:35:10 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diesel1979: My LGS has a landing page for the RC3, but no stock or picture. Priced at $1,799. I have 2-RC2’s and I was thinking I would buy an RC3 when released. I’ll hold off until some reviews come out at that price point. The reviews better make it out to be better than sliced bread |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 8:38:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: The_XRing]
[#13]
Hey guys I am new to the forums. Just spent a week with the new Surefire RC3 suppressors. It is an expensive but very legit suppressor. Surefire knocked it out of the park with this one.
Surefire RC3  First release! SUREFIRE RC-3 |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 8:48:14 AM EDT
[#14]
Looks like a mini version will also be released at some point.
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Posted: 10/12/2023 9:09:14 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_XRing: Hey guys I am new to the forums. Just spent a week with the new Surefire RC3 suppressors. It is an expensive but very legit suppressor. Surefire knocked it out of the park with this one. Surefire RC3  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaWB1O9XfmMVery good first post from a new member. RC3 looks pretty good. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 9:17:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DDS87]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_XRing: Hey guys I am new to the forums. Just spent a week with the new Surefire RC3 suppressors. It is an expensive but very legit suppressor. Surefire knocked it out of the park with this one. Surefire RC3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaWB1O9XfmMThe flash signature of the RC3 is reduced "quite significantly" compared to the RC2, which has generally been the gold standard for that. Impressive! I appreciate the direct comparison footage as well. Thanks for sharing! |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 9:31:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BlueShirtGuy]
[#17]
 SUREFIRE RC3 - LOW BACK PRESSURE | PART 1  The World's Toughest Suppressor Just Got Better: Surefire RC3 No cleaning schedule and great QD mounting option. To me this can is a Huxwrx FLOW killer. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 9:34:16 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueShirtGuy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxOvON50cGENo cleaning schedule amd great QD mounting option. To me this can is a Huxwrx FLOW killer. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 9:38:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Middlelength: They have a great mount with pretty tight tolerances, that has to be maintained. There are plenty of other good mounts out there, I'm not aware of any that are "better" than the Surefire. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Middlelength: Originally Posted By peachy: Surefire probably has the shittiest mount available of any major suppressor manufacturer. At least I can’t think of anything worse off the top of my head. They have a great mount with pretty tight tolerances, that has to be maintained. There are plenty of other good mounts out there, I'm not aware of any that are "better" than the Surefire. Keymo is way worse than surefire mounts. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 10:03:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Keymo is way worse than surefire mounts. Finally we've completed a full popularity cycle. Can't wait to reject whatever becomes en vogue in '24. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 10:11:03 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Keymo is way worse than surefire mounts. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 10:12:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rbutcher]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: Finally we've completed a full popularity cycle. Can't wait to reject whatever becomes en vogue in '24. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: Originally Posted By rbutcher: Keymo is way worse than surefire mounts. Finally we've completed a full popularity cycle. Can't wait to reject whatever becomes en vogue in '24. Who cares about popularity. I only care about performance. I have had way more issues with Keymo attachment than I have with surefire. How many rounds do you have through 100% dead air Keymo systems compared to surefire socom attachment systems? |
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USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 10:15:19 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueShirtGuy: Looks like a mini version will also be released at some point. https://i.postimg.cc/Kc3tLqnZ/Screenshot-20231012-074524-Gmail.jpg Correct - the Surefire rep said in the TFB video that they’re focusing on full size 5.56 RC3 for the next 3 months, then releasing the other variants (said same as the RC2 lineup). |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 10:17:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Who cares about popularity. I only care about performance. I have had way more issues with Keymo attachment than I have with surefire. How many rounds do you have through 100% dead air Keymo systems compared to surefire socom attachment systems? Surefire, 100%. I am in total agreement with you about SF vs DA's systems, haha. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 10:19:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rbutcher]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: Surefire, 100%. I am in total agreement with you about SF vs DA's systems, haha. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: Originally Posted By rbutcher: Who cares about popularity. I only care about performance. I have had way more issues with Keymo attachment than I have with surefire. How many rounds do you have through 100% dead air Keymo systems compared to surefire socom attachment systems? Surefire, 100%. I am in total agreement with you about SF vs DA's systems, haha. I misunderstood your post then. My bad. Carry on. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 11:27:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigdot: Correct - the Surefire rep said in the TFB video that they’re focusing on full size 5.56 RC3 for the next 3 months, then releasing the other variants (said same as the RC2 lineup). I have always been unimpressed with the RC2 Mini. The length reduction is great, but it somehow manages to be shorter without shedding almost any weight and LOUD. I wonder how loud a Mini RC3 would end up being. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 11:29:48 AM EDT
[#27]
Just an FYI it looks like it will be a few more weeks before dealers have these available.
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Posted: 10/12/2023 11:39:40 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlueShirtGuy: Just an FYI it looks like it will be a few more weeks before dealers have these available. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 11:41:11 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: I misunderstood your post then. My bad. Carry on. No worries, it can take a skilled wordsmith to parse my salads. On topic, the mini3 is on my short list for sure. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 11:53:18 AM EDT
[#30]
Very interesting.
I'm quite happy overall with my RC2. In my opinion it is quiet, not overly big or heavy. I'm in the process of switching to labyrinth mounts on my SBRs after testing back to back with the regular closed tines I've been using up to this point. I don't find the gas to be that bad, but less would always be nice if all the other performance attributes can be maintained. I have a Mini2 in jail. I put it on a 14.5 and fired about ten rounds through it when it came in, so minimal experience so far, but my initial impression was that the length and weight difference was noticeable on a barrel that long. However, it did seem louder than the RC2 for sure. I'll wait for further testing, reviews, and hopefully price drops, but if the RC3 can deliver noticeably less gas while keeping everything else effectively the same, and come down into, say, the ~1200 range, I could be interested. $1800 is a bit steep. Hopefully that will only hold until the supply chain is full and the "gotta have it now" folks are done. But, people pay more than double that for KACs all the time, which makes no sense to me, but clearly there is a market for extremely expensive suppressors even far beyond $1800. My experience with Huxwurks is that they are loud. As they say, no free lunch. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 11:54:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
[#31]
Actually looking at the Surefire marketing video, you can see the RC3 Mini in it several times. So I would guess they are beign honest with they say in about 3 months we will be seeing them in the market as well.
Originally Posted By DVCNick: I have a Mini2 in jail. I put it on a 14.5 and fired about ten rounds through it when it came in, so minimal experience so far, but my initial impression was that the length and weight difference was noticeable on a barrel that long. However, it did seem louder than the RC2 for sure. The size difference is noticeable, but I really didn't notice the weight reduction too much. For a can that drops almost 1.5" I was expecting a larger weight drop than 2oz. Overall unimpressed with it, but I do prefer it over the full size on my Block II. Now I sit here wondering if I should get the RC3 or wait for the mini RC3... Edit: Wait for Mini... |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 12:19:02 PM EDT
[#32]
They're certainly proud of this can.
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Posted: 10/12/2023 12:34:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: They're certainly proud of this can. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/Screen_Shot_2023-10-12_at_11_17_52_AM-2988290.png Zero percent chance I'm dropping $1,700 on a can. I'm sure it's going to be a good can and all that but I'm not paying that. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 12:42:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rbutcher]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Zero percent chance I'm dropping $1,700 on a can. I'm sure it's going to be a good can and all that but I'm not paying that. Not defending surefire, but KAC PRT cans are for the same target market, same design goal, same material, same manufacturing processs…. And they cost the exact same too. Everyone is acting like surefire is the only one who is charging this much for a suppressor. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 1:03:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ngc1300: Thanks for the heads up. Just curious on how you were able to find this out. I own a FFL/SOT business. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 1:05:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Not defending surefire, but KAC PRT cans are for the same target market, same design goal, same material, same manufacturing processs…. And they cost the exact same too. Everyone is acting like surefire is the only one who is charging this much for a suppressor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Originally Posted By voodochild: Zero percent chance I'm dropping $1,700 on a can. I'm sure it's going to be a good can and all that but I'm not paying that. Not defending surefire, but KAC PRT cans are for the same target market, same design goal, same material, same manufacturing processs…. And they cost the exact same too. Everyone is acting like surefire is the only one who is charging this much for a suppressor. No its just the two companies that do a lot of govt business. Perhaps primarily govt business. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 1:25:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#37]
It looks like a substantial backpressure reduction, but you can hear the difference in the video- the can is a bit louder. The RC2 wasn't the best sounding can to begin with. This probably represents some really solid engineering work, and the $1710 street price is definitely segmenting it into the top price bracket for the category.
The sound is less doctored in the TFB video. @ 1:43 you get to hear some video that sounds un-doctored of sound performance. It sounds not too different from a flow 556K or something in that vicinity. The World's Toughest Suppressor Just Got Better: Surefire RC3 |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 1:29:39 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Not defending surefire, but KAC PRT cans are for the same target market, same design goal, same material, same manufacturing processs…. And they cost the exact same too. Everyone is acting like surefire is the only one who is charging this much for a suppressor. KAC has always been assholes though. I expect it from them at this point. The RC3 is nearly double the price of what an RC2 cost a few years ago. Tough pill to swallow. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 1:42:52 PM EDT
[#39]
I’ll be picking one up and I currently have an RC2. My interest is in the reduction of blow back being a lefty. I still want an AEM5 suppressor so I guess I’ll end up with 3 5.56 cans at some point
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/12/2023 1:43:26 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: It looks like a substantial backpressure reduction, but you can hear the difference in the video- the can is a bit louder. The RC2 wasn't the best sounding can to begin with. This probably represents some really solid engineering work, and the $1710 street price is definitely segmenting it into the top price bracket for the category. The sound is less doctored in the TFB video. @ 1:43 you get to hear some video that sounds un-doctored of sound performance. It sounds not too different from a flow 556K or something in that vicinity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POiV8OVSbd8Thanks for your ever-present expert analysis. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 2:04:27 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: Thanks for your ever-present expert analysis. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KM6: Originally Posted By Green0: It looks like a substantial backpressure reduction, but you can hear the difference in the video- the can is a bit louder. The RC2 wasn't the best sounding can to begin with. This probably represents some really solid engineering work, and the $1710 street price is definitely segmenting it into the top price bracket for the category. The sound is less doctored in the TFB video. @ 1:43 you get to hear some video that sounds un-doctored of sound performance. It sounds not too different from a flow 556K or something in that vicinity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POiV8OVSbd8Thanks for your ever-present expert analysis. 
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Posted: 10/12/2023 3:17:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Not defending surefire, but KAC PRT cans are for the same target market, same design goal, same material, same manufacturing processs…. And they cost the exact same too. Everyone is acting like surefire is the only one who is charging this much for a suppressor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Originally Posted By voodochild: Zero percent chance I'm dropping $1,700 on a can. I'm sure it's going to be a good can and all that but I'm not paying that. Not defending surefire, but KAC PRT cans are for the same target market, same design goal, same material, same manufacturing processs…. And they cost the exact same too. Everyone is acting like surefire is the only one who is charging this much for a suppressor. I wouldn't buy a KAC either. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 7:55:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: my69camaro1]
[#43]
RC2 cans used to be around $1200-1300. The last two I bought were around $900 each. Give it some time and I'm sure the RC3 will drop down around $1500 or less. Not horrible for a can literally designed for warfare abuse.
As far as mounts. You seriously have like 10 different options to mount socom cans, I'd say that's pretty damn amazing. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 9:19:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: I wouldn't buy a KAC either. Most people wouldn't. Sometimes it's harder to get impressed. $1710 street price, is a lot of money, especially without the $151 muzzle device incluided. It's like paying $500 for illumination as an option on an optic that is already $2300, when there are whole optics that have illumination for less than $500. If the government wasn't buying that stuff with money they didn't make, it wouldn't exist. |
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Posted: 10/12/2023 10:03:42 PM EDT
[#45]
They aren’t allowed to sell it to you for less than they sell it to the government for.
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LA, USA
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Posted: 10/13/2023 11:08:40 AM EDT
[#46]
As mentioned, the design looks very similar to KAC or even Sig's SLH/SLX
Now the Sig suppressors being $1250 doesn't seem that bad, relative to KAC or Surefire. |
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Posted: 10/13/2023 11:14:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: They aren’t allowed to sell it to you for less than they sell it to the government for. Right, so the only way to give customers a better price would be to engineer a less expensive product for the government to buy with taxpayers money. In other words, if the taxpayer got a better deal, then the tax paying consumer could also get a better deal. Maybe there is some unwritten requirement that everything that wins a contract with the government has to be overpriced. When we recently talked to people in mil purchasing, they talked about prices on units half this high as something that would have to come down, so the whole what does it have to cost deal is hard to figure out. It certainly seemed as though the military procurement people we’re trying to get good budgetary value. |
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Posted: 10/13/2023 11:18:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/13/2023 11:21:52 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryThey will be getting a love letter from surefire regarding MAP soon. Surefire is very strict. |
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Posted: 10/13/2023 11:23:00 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: They will be getting a love letter from surefire regarding MAP soon. Surefire is very strict. So in other words, order now. |
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